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RW/LW Vasili Podkolzin - SKA St.Petersburg, KHL (2019, 10th, VAN) Part 3
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Raistlin
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as i was mentioning earlier, if we take into consideration that he is lauded as a leader of Messier caliber (oh man...), maybe we can frame his time at SKA as pure adversity training.
Most successful CEOs go through a period of intense adversity that shape their leadership style in the years to come, and they are usually the more successful because of it.
Considering the media scrutiny that he will face in Vancouver come 2021, maybe its not a bad thing that he deals with these benchings and whatnot in relative obscurity on a top team.
His all round skills and draft position all but guarantees he will be in the lineup at least as an energy guy with the Canucks, so at least learning from being benched is a form of development that he can do in St.Petersberg.
Most successful CEOs go through a period of intense adversity that shape their leadership style in the years to come, and they are usually the more successful because of it.
Considering the media scrutiny that he will face in Vancouver come 2021, maybe its not a bad thing that he deals with these benchings and whatnot in relative obscurity on a top team.
His all round skills and draft position all but guarantees he will be in the lineup at least as an energy guy with the Canucks, so at least learning from being benched is a form of development that he can do in St.Petersberg.
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No, I kind of doubt that the Canucks and their remarkably indifferent fanbase have ever considered it.
You might be right, a tough love conditioning process to prepare him for the Vancouver fishbowl and coach Green. My personal take is that
the whole yo-yo show he's experiencing really doesn't matter much, in the end, so I don't get worked up about it at all. He's played with men, trained with men, likely had pretty good coaching and discipline, and in due course he'll arrive in Vancouver, still a teenager until June 24. (Or maybe arrive a bit later depending on the World Cup schedule.) It could be worse, given what's happening this crazy year. My NCAA alma mater cancelled its entire hockey program, for one example that matters because what would Rathbone do then if he hadn't signed already?
In any case, Podkolzin has a decade or more of pro hockey ahead of him and he's been playing more than a decade already. If he were spending this KHL season at the slot machines and the Roxy I'd be worried, but he's not doing that at all. He'll be fine, whatever is happening in Russia. He's about to captain his team in the biggest junior tournament there is, so yeah, he's not really collecting all that many splinters on the bench this season. It certainly hasn't been ideal, but in the end I think it doesn't matter very much. An injury would have been much worse, and even so, he likely would have recovered and gone on with his career as planned.
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And you still didn't come to terms with the fact that when the team has 18 forwards (actually considering how much Groshev and Khusnutdinov are getting involved with the first team might as well push that number to 20) he is going to be "healthy-scratched" for 1/3 of the games. Impressive. Let's make an even bigger deal of it next time it happens.
I am asking myself all the time why the Minesota fans aren't on the riot because of every hick-up Khusnutdinov has? Hell, they even aren't because of Khovanov who is now a VHLer for quite some time.
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It's not lunacy he is a healthy scratch again, it's batshit crazy.
The top line was absolutely dominant the last time out, This is 100% politics.
The top line was absolutely dominant the last time out, This is 100% politics.
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but but but there are 18 forwards and it’s normal for a player to get cycles into the first line and healthy scratched the next. This is the khl for ya. That’s how they do shit In Russia.
let’s pretend for a minute the Canucks did the same shit they are doing.
Pettersson getting ice time ,next game scratched! Makes it onto the next game, then to be scratched again love the the way the khl do stuff.
Only professional tier 1 league in the world to do this stuff, fricking hilarious.
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Don't know why I'm doing this to myself but.. It's not the same as Pettersson getting scratched at all. Just because he was penciled into the 1st line once doesn't mean he's their #1 forward, all of the sudden. Realistically, SKA depth chart at F is along these lines:
Key players: Vey, Tkachyov, Burdasov, Kuzmenko
Guys who played themselves into a very strong position on merit: Aaltonen, Galimov, Kamenev, Ketov, Marchenko, Morozov, Kemppainen
Nice complimentary players, not great, not bad: Maltsev, Podkolzin, Trenin, Shvets-Rogovoy
Prospects SKA really tries to insert into a lineup once in a while: Groshev, Khusnutdinov, Zavgorodny, Chibrikov
Fringe players: Yakimov, Timkin
Now you tell me how did Podkolzin prove he should be in the upper bracket. Is he really that much better/effective player than, for example, Trenin who has 1-way NHL contract now? So get out of here with your Pettersson-Podkolzin comparison. Just because you treat Podkolzin like baby Jesus doesn't mean he is. Now is it sane to have that many players is a separate discussion altogether but it is how it is, it isn't "hard to understand" how some NA mouthpieces go about it.
It's also not the only league doing this at all, especially if you were to look at not hockey only. Actually, even in the NHL they "healthy-scratch" the key players for meaningless games at the end of the regular season to rest them, do they not? Except SKA can treat any regular-season game as a non-important one.
LOL Keep them coming. Me and my pal Putin are having a great time reading your comments between riding bears and plotting to cut Podkolzin's icetime.
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Do people (mostly Canuck fans) forget that this happens to several prospects in the NHL as well?
The outrage in here is hilarious.
The outrage in here is hilarious.
I see nothing strange about their lineup
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Welp. Hope it isn't Covid.
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Wow, I guess the environment in SKA really is toxic, if it's affecting Podkolzin's health
Joking aside, I hope it's not Covid either and that this is just a short term thing for both of them. I hope they're both ready to go for the World Juniors.
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This thread is honestly hilarious. Some posters around here are starting to sound like crazy hockey parents, mad about the coach's usage of their son. Might wanna take a step back and relax.
There was a report out of Russia that Podkolzin had COVID in the summer....hope he and Askarov are ok. Two bright future stars.
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Russian media hit-job on Podkolzin today....guess he's not resigning with SKA.
В Канаде истерика: якобы СКА убивает карьеру русского таланта. Но, кажется, его просто переоценили
In Canada, hysteria: allegedly SKA is killing the career of Russian talent. But it seems he was just overrated For the captain of the Russian youth team Vasily Podkolzin, the upcoming World Cup should be a defining stage in his career. The forward in the KHL rested his head on the wall and in SKA he hardly progresses. Two years ago, one of the most influential functionaries of Russian hockey, Roman Rotenberg, speaking about the universalism of the young player, compared him with Connor McDavid. Let's be fair to those words. There was no question of a comparable level of talent. Although in the public mind the idea of a "Russian MacDavid" has taken root. Although in terms of role, manner and their best qualities, these are completely two different players. I remember the story of the owner of the football "Spartak" Leonid Fedun as a failed prophet. He inadvertently called the young pupil of the club academy Denis Davydov "Russian Messi." Where the unrevealed striker is playing now, without the help of the Internet, you can't remember right away. Podkolzin, unlike Davydov, who lifted his nose ahead of time and lost his motivation, plows conscientiously. Whoever I spoke to from those who know him closely, not a single one doubted the professional attitude of the SKA forward to business. There can be no question of any "star". owever, the young Russian does not dominate even among his peers, and does not stand out at all in the KHL, gaining a modest 6 (2 + 4) points in 24 matches. In the last championship, he showed about the same indicators - 8 (2 + 6) points in 30 games, although he spent on the ice more than two minutes less on average. Last summer, Podkolzina chose Vancouver high in the first round, and the hype around the striker's name grew to a completely indecent size. This is Canada, and every step of the future, as they say, the stars are viewed under a magnifying glass. I can remember something similar only in relation to Nail Yakupov and Edmonton. Vancouver Madness This season, when the striker sometimes dropped out of the main SKA squad and did not score points, not only ordinary fans, but also journalists who called to “save Podkolzin” were in a dizzying mood. Vancouver TSN journalist Rick Dahlival even contacted Rotenberg to find out why the striker was released for a while in the VHL. All of this was almost hysterical. Like, SKA deliberately strangles a player who does not want to stay in Russia. This is not yet a fully resolved issue. Unlike his usual partners in the troika Ivan Morozov and Kirill Marchenko, the forward did not extend the contract with the club, which almost unequivocally hints about Podkolzin's immediate plans. But Vancouver has done absolutely nothing for the hockey player, whom it considers almost his property. The situation improved only after the striker was called up to the youth team, and he played great in the Karjala Cup. Canucks General Manager Jim Benning has a nice touch about the forward's growth and how he is expected in Canada. From the outside, he looks like a lawyer trying to justify the high pick of the 10th overall pick in the 2019 draft. Local media are also doing the usual propaganda work, praising the prospect in every way. Maybe the expectations have dropped a little, but for Podkolzin they still draw a place in the top 6 somewhere next to Elias Pettersson or Bo Horvath - the young leaders of Vancouver's offense. It looks extremely utopian. The SKA forward is efficient, he can pull the puck, he is good at playing along, plows defensively and is good at martial arts. They say that he behaves very correctly in the locker room and in training. But the "wow effect" in his actions is not visible. Skating is still imperfect. The throw never became a lethal weapon. At the age of 19, giving up on Podkolzin is a big mistake. But the positive dynamics is almost invisible. There were almost no cases when a player did not reveal himself in Russia, but later played in North America. The same Nikita Kucherov spent less than half of the season in the KHL and at the same time tore up opponents in the MHL, the Quebec league, and at the youth and junior world championships. Podkolzin's assets include the Glinka Memorial in August 2018, at which he became the top scorer of the tournament with Alexis Lafrenier. In December of the same year, he managed to prove himself just as great at the Youth Challenge Cup in Alberta, Canada, which in many respects secured a place for himself at the MFM-2019 in Vancouver. Since then, there have been only splashes in individual games. We remember the bright juniors of the last decade - in the KHL, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Vladimir Tarasenko, Kirill Kaprizov, Pavel Buchnevich looked much brighter. Chance for MFM You can blame the non-stop rotation in the club for everything, where Vasily was torn between troikas and leagues. But many can only dream about it. Rotenberg and Valery Bragin took Podkolzin to the World Youth Championship for another 17 years, almost in advance. He was given a lot of chances to prove himself in the SKA system. However, it cannot be said that Vasily was able to fully use them. He gives all the best, works like a seasoned professional and does not progress, unlike Ivan Morozov and Kirill Marchenko, who were born a year earlier. An interesting detail: Podkolzin begins to look bright, only when he comes out with them in one triple. This was the case both last season and this one. “In this combination, he feels more liberated,” admitted Bragin. - He also sometimes plays well with others. Young, there are some differences. " The coach did not go deeper into details. The World Youth Championship was and remains a tournament that can dramatically change a player's career. Send him into outer space or bury the chances of seriously climbing somewhere. After a successful performance, psychological confidence appears, which is very important at such a tender age, and well-founded claims to a firm place in the main team at the KHL level. Podkolzin seems imperturbable and icy only from the outside. For him, as well as for any young player, emotions and psychology are important. Igor Larionov, judging by the Karjala Cup, knows what to do. In the role of captain and leader, Podkolzin looked great. If he shows himself in the same way at the World Championships, he will receive a great impetus for growth. It is probably naive to expect that the forward will grow into a figure of a galactic scale. At 19, however, there is still room for progress. In an ideal world, he could accompany Ivan Barbashev on the flank of the holding three of the ideal Russian national team in two or three years. Let's be realistic. That's not bad either.
В Канаде истерика: якобы СКА убивает карьеру русского таланта. Но, кажется, его просто переоценили
In Canada, hysteria: allegedly SKA is killing the career of Russian talent. But it seems he was just overrated For the captain of the Russian youth team Vasily Podkolzin, the upcoming World Cup should be a defining stage in his career. The forward in the KHL rested his head on the wall and in SKA he hardly progresses. Two years ago, one of the most influential functionaries of Russian hockey, Roman Rotenberg, speaking about the universalism of the young player, compared him with Connor McDavid. Let's be fair to those words. There was no question of a comparable level of talent. Although in the public mind the idea of a "Russian MacDavid" has taken root. Although in terms of role, manner and their best qualities, these are completely two different players. I remember the story of the owner of the football "Spartak" Leonid Fedun as a failed prophet. He inadvertently called the young pupil of the club academy Denis Davydov "Russian Messi." Where the unrevealed striker is playing now, without the help of the Internet, you can't remember right away. Podkolzin, unlike Davydov, who lifted his nose ahead of time and lost his motivation, plows conscientiously. Whoever I spoke to from those who know him closely, not a single one doubted the professional attitude of the SKA forward to business. There can be no question of any "star". owever, the young Russian does not dominate even among his peers, and does not stand out at all in the KHL, gaining a modest 6 (2 + 4) points in 24 matches. In the last championship, he showed about the same indicators - 8 (2 + 6) points in 30 games, although he spent on the ice more than two minutes less on average. Last summer, Podkolzina chose Vancouver high in the first round, and the hype around the striker's name grew to a completely indecent size. This is Canada, and every step of the future, as they say, the stars are viewed under a magnifying glass. I can remember something similar only in relation to Nail Yakupov and Edmonton. Vancouver Madness This season, when the striker sometimes dropped out of the main SKA squad and did not score points, not only ordinary fans, but also journalists who called to “save Podkolzin” were in a dizzying mood. Vancouver TSN journalist Rick Dahlival even contacted Rotenberg to find out why the striker was released for a while in the VHL. All of this was almost hysterical. Like, SKA deliberately strangles a player who does not want to stay in Russia. This is not yet a fully resolved issue. Unlike his usual partners in the troika Ivan Morozov and Kirill Marchenko, the forward did not extend the contract with the club, which almost unequivocally hints about Podkolzin's immediate plans. But Vancouver has done absolutely nothing for the hockey player, whom it considers almost his property. The situation improved only after the striker was called up to the youth team, and he played great in the Karjala Cup. Canucks General Manager Jim Benning has a nice touch about the forward's growth and how he is expected in Canada. From the outside, he looks like a lawyer trying to justify the high pick of the 10th overall pick in the 2019 draft. Local media are also doing the usual propaganda work, praising the prospect in every way. Maybe the expectations have dropped a little, but for Podkolzin they still draw a place in the top 6 somewhere next to Elias Pettersson or Bo Horvath - the young leaders of Vancouver's offense. It looks extremely utopian. The SKA forward is efficient, he can pull the puck, he is good at playing along, plows defensively and is good at martial arts. They say that he behaves very correctly in the locker room and in training. But the "wow effect" in his actions is not visible. Skating is still imperfect. The throw never became a lethal weapon. At the age of 19, giving up on Podkolzin is a big mistake. But the positive dynamics is almost invisible. There were almost no cases when a player did not reveal himself in Russia, but later played in North America. The same Nikita Kucherov spent less than half of the season in the KHL and at the same time tore up opponents in the MHL, the Quebec league, and at the youth and junior world championships. Podkolzin's assets include the Glinka Memorial in August 2018, at which he became the top scorer of the tournament with Alexis Lafrenier. In December of the same year, he managed to prove himself just as great at the Youth Challenge Cup in Alberta, Canada, which in many respects secured a place for himself at the MFM-2019 in Vancouver. Since then, there have been only splashes in individual games. We remember the bright juniors of the last decade - in the KHL, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Vladimir Tarasenko, Kirill Kaprizov, Pavel Buchnevich looked much brighter. Chance for MFM You can blame the non-stop rotation in the club for everything, where Vasily was torn between troikas and leagues. But many can only dream about it. Rotenberg and Valery Bragin took Podkolzin to the World Youth Championship for another 17 years, almost in advance. He was given a lot of chances to prove himself in the SKA system. However, it cannot be said that Vasily was able to fully use them. He gives all the best, works like a seasoned professional and does not progress, unlike Ivan Morozov and Kirill Marchenko, who were born a year earlier. An interesting detail: Podkolzin begins to look bright, only when he comes out with them in one triple. This was the case both last season and this one. “In this combination, he feels more liberated,” admitted Bragin. - He also sometimes plays well with others. Young, there are some differences. " The coach did not go deeper into details. The World Youth Championship was and remains a tournament that can dramatically change a player's career. Send him into outer space or bury the chances of seriously climbing somewhere. After a successful performance, psychological confidence appears, which is very important at such a tender age, and well-founded claims to a firm place in the main team at the KHL level. Podkolzin seems imperturbable and icy only from the outside. For him, as well as for any young player, emotions and psychology are important. Igor Larionov, judging by the Karjala Cup, knows what to do. In the role of captain and leader, Podkolzin looked great. If he shows himself in the same way at the World Championships, he will receive a great impetus for growth. It is probably naive to expect that the forward will grow into a figure of a galactic scale. At 19, however, there is still room for progress. In an ideal world, he could accompany Ivan Barbashev on the flank of the holding three of the ideal Russian national team in two or three years. Let's be realistic. That's not bad either.
SoundAndFury
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It's just the other side of this Canada vs. Russia pissing contest now. As is often the case, both sides will come out of it looking bad.
LOL You are ripping parts of the article out of context again. It is a mostly good and proper article as opposed to the hysterical Vancouver media BS. That is probably what hurts your feelings.
Welcome to the real world. People in Russia find the hysteria about Podkolzin in Vancouver hilarious.
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