RW/LW Lucas Raymond - Frolunda HC, SWE JRs (2020, 4th, DET)

[AB13]

anymore points or just the goal

Just the goal, but a good performance all round. I think he has to go top 3

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Just the goal, but a good performance all round. I think he has to go top 3

i doubt he pushes stutzle or byfield out but i’ll gladly welcome him to detroit

 

[Prntscrn]

i doubt he pushes stutzle or byfield out but i’ll gladly welcome him to detroit

I haven't seen enough of Byfield but I think Raymond is and will be a better player than Stutzle

 

[AB13]

i doubt he pushes stutzle or byfield out but i’ll gladly welcome him to detroit

I think he has the skill, talent and two way ability to potentially become better than Lafreniere, but I understand that is a hot take. We will see. I would take him at 2

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

It seems like a lot of his points have came off the PP so far tho

 

[montreal]

here's a longer look at the PP goal,

 

[newfy]

I hope he makes the wings decision difficult. I dont think the start of this season is gonna move the needle much but watching a snipe or two like that might make teams think long and hard.

I also dont know if a goal from the perimeter on the PP is going to matter to teams much. They want to see if he can become less of a perimeter guy to go that high in the draft.

 

[theslatcher]

It seems like a lot of his points have came off the PP so far tho

Well yeah, he has 1 goal in 1 game and it came on the PP.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Well yeah, he has 1 goal in 1 game and it came on the PP.

i meant even the preseason

 

[Eye of Ra]

here's a longer look at the PP goal,

finnish commentators.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I hope he makes the wings decision difficult. I dont think the start of this season is gonna move the needle much but watching a snipe or two like that might make teams think long and hard.

I also dont know if a goal from the perimeter on the PP is going to matter to teams much. They want to see if he can become less of a perimeter guy to go that high in the draft.

Certainly it’s not going to alter entire draft boards, but the one thing that I love about Raymond, and Perfetti has a lot of the same tendencies, is they have a level of calm with the puck which may not lead to the spectacular play every time, but they are able to hold as long as possible to make the right play.

As a Wings fan, I know you can watch that clip of Raymond scoring the goal and compare that to Detroit’s current powerplay and grimace at the difference. When Raymond takes the pass back and turns to the man at the point, any one of Detroit’s players is 100% making that pass to the point without as much as a second thought, and there’s probably a 25% chance the PKer swats the saucer pass out of the air and catches the defenseman flat footed as he gets a clean break in on Bernier.

 

[Deas]

My two cents on two comments:

- The time to get his shot off: Yes he likes that sneaky patient wrister but that's a strength too. He's really good at getting it off despite little space. Also, one of the preseason goals was a wicked onetimer.

- Even strength production: He's on the 1st PP without a lot of equal strength ice time so far, so I can see the vast majority of his points coming on the PP if this continues.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

I hope he makes the wings decision difficult. I dont think the start of this season is gonna move the needle much but watching a snipe or two like that might make teams think long and hard.

I also dont know if a goal from the perimeter on the PP is going to matter to teams much. They want to see if he can become less of a perimeter guy to go that high in the draft.

I imagine at this point, scouts feel they have a good idea what these players are about on the ice. They've probably seen them a million times, especially since they have access to video we don't. I'm thinking of Mark Edwards talking about how he's seen literally every point Perfetti had this year. Detroit no doubt has, and I'm sure that's true of Raymond, as well. I'm sure the real hard part right now is trying to nail down the voodoo psychological stuff that you think will make a winner, and things like that.

Besides, for people who liked Raymond from the start and always believed he would do well if he ever got the icetime, this performance is just kinda expected. I'm sure those people think he could have done this last year if he had gotten the chance. So, I mean, it's good that he's doing it, but it's possible this isn't getting better so much as it's getting the chance he deserves.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Holy recency bias in this thread. He’s not going top 3

 

[swedehollow]

Holy recency bias in this thread. He’s not going top 3

Who cares when he goes. It’s where he goes that matters.

 

[ZEBROA]

Holy recency bias in this thread. He’s not going top 3

He probably will not, but he might be good enough. Time will tell.

 

[Prntscrn]

Who cares when he goes. It’s where he goes that matters.

Hopefully it isn't at #3, #5 or #8

 

[Fatass]

Which ever team gets this kid is going to have a beauty. Imo he’s right behind Lafreniere and Byfield as top forwards in this draft. I don’t know if Ottawa will take him at three, but I can definitely see them going for him at five.

 

[Zaddy]

Holy recency bias in this thread. He’s not going top 3

I don't know if I would call it recency bias when Raymond has been a top name for this draft for several years. Him adapting to the SHL last year didn't change my (and probably many others) opinion on him, so to see him do well now that he's a year older and has gotten stronger isn't some new or unexpected development.

 

[swedehollow]

Hopefully it isn't at #3, #5 or #8

Agree

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I don't know if I would call it recency bias when Raymond has been a top name for this draft for several years. Him adapting to the SHL last year didn't change my (and probably many others) opinion on him, so to see him do well now that he's a year older and has gotten stronger isn't some new or unexpected development.

No, but nhl teams won’t be changing their list based on 4 games before the draft

 

[Realgud]

No, but nhl teams won’t be changing their list based on 4 games before the draft

I'm pretty sure multiple nhl teams had him as a top 3 prospect already.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I'm pretty sure multiple nhl teams had him as a top 3 prospect already.

Based on what? The vast majority of nhl scouts that have been polled by bob McKenzie and the athletic have a clear top 3 of Lafreniere, Stutzle, and Byfield. That won’t change in draft day. LA and OTT aren’t passing on either player

 

[Zaddy]

Based on what? The vast majority of nhl scouts that have been polled by bob McKenzie and the athletic have a clear top 3 of Lafreniere, Stutzle, and Byfield. That won’t change in draft day. LA and OTT aren’t passing on either player

Bob McKenzie polls 10 NHL scouts. There are a lot more than that in the NHL so that's not necessarily representative. Either way if the scouts in Ottawa likes Raymond more then it doesn't matter. Also, if we're talking Bobby's list, two out of the 10 scouts he polled had Byfield outside the top3, which means someone else was in their top3. That player could be Raymond, or it could be someone else, but it shows you that it's not a foregone conclusion that the top3 will be Lafreniere, Stützle and Byfield.

 

[eulatron]

PLEASE STEVIE PLEASE. We desperately need right handed shots, f*** the perfetti connection. Draft this guy!