Friedman: Rutherford/Allvin done assessing Canucks - Everyone available except Pettersson, Hughes, Demko

[UrbanImpact]

I could see horvat to the rangers more so than Miller. Wouldn’t cost as much to get horvat

I wouldnt be so sure on that.

Horvat is younger, will cost less AAV and will probably have more teams able to trade for him that Miller.

How many teams do you think would be in a bidding war for a 26 yrd old Centre, Captain that produces.

For Horvat i say at minimum

1st
2nd
Top prospect

 

[UrbanImpact]

Cost on Horvat/Miller to NYR? I get both have different values but I don’t see how Vancouver keeps them both with EP40 there as well

Horvat for Lundkvist+1st+2nd?

Miller for ???

Schneider and Kakko are off limits.

That is likely the price for Horvat tho I dont think Lundkvist is the type of undersized Dman the Canucks are looking for. Value wise that fits though.

 

[theVladiator]

Why would he be available then?

Because everyone is available, except 3 guys who I guess were deemed young franchise cornerstones. Seems quite clear.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Dickinson for Compher thank you

 

[5cotland]

I could see Ottawa interested in Podkolzin, especially if they sign Kuzmenko.

If Ottawa drafts 8-10 would a 1st round pick do?

Pod/Stu/Kuz could be hella fun to watch.

That seems a steep price for Podkolzin.

Done nothing to warrant that type of ask at this point.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

To Det:
Bo Horvat

To Van:
Filip Hronek (24 y/o Top 4 RHD) @ 50% retained
Jonatan Berggren (Blue chip FWD prospect)
2022 2nd (DET) 2022 2nd (WSH)

Detroit gets its 2C it desperately needs
Van gets a young offensive top 4 RHD, a blue chip prospect and a few 2nd rounders

 

[Lays]

That is likely the price for Horvat tho I dont think Lundkvist is the type of undersized Dman the Canucks are looking for. Value wise that fits though.

How about swapping Lundkvist for Matt Robertson?

 

[ACC1224]

Leafs would throw a 5th/6th their way for Schenn.
Could use some press box depth for the playoffs.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Horvat would get similar to what Oreilly got when he was traded to St Louis.

Oreilly got

Tage Thompson
Sobotka
Berglund
1st
2nd

I dont think the Canucks will ask for roster vets back unless its needed to make the cap work but thats probably the frame-work of what it will take for Horvat.

Oreilly was similar age to Horvat when he was dealt to St Louis as well..

 

[innitfam]

To Det:
Bo Horvat

To Van:
Filip Hronek (24 y/o Top 4 RHD) @ 50% retained
Jonatan Berggren (Blue chip FWD prospect)
2022 2nd (DET) 2022 2nd (WSH)

Detroit gets its 2C it desperately needs
Van gets a young offensive top 4 RHD, a blue chip prospect and a few 2nd rounders

Interesting offer. Definitely good value being offered. Is Hronek UFA/RFA after this year?

 

[centipede2233]

I wouldnt be so sure on that.

Horvat is younger, will cost less AAV and will probably have more teams able to trade for him that Miller.

How many teams do you think would be in a bidding war for a 26 yrd old Centre, Captain that produces.

For Horvat i say at minimum

1st
2nd
Top prospect

Horvat is only 2 yrs younger, 250 k higher caphit, and JT Miller is out producing him 2:1. Whose more valuable again?

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Kerfoot+ should do it, amirite boys?

Yeah, Dickinson would also look great in Leaf colours.

 

[M2Beezy]

For me the biggest thing from this is that captain Bo Horvat is NOT untouchable. Perhaps the team will look into keeping Miller and moving out Horvat

 

[UrbanImpact]

Leafs would throw a 5th/6th their way for Schenn.
Could use some press box depth for the playoffs.

Not worth it to the Canucks as Schenn plays with Hughes and probably the only bruiser and toughness we have in the lineup. He is also signed for one more year at a league min. Would rather keep him than get a 5th.

Schenn keeps guys honest from making runs at Hughes.

Though if were being honest, Schenn's skating is probably at an ECHL level.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Interesting offer. Definitely good value being offered. Is Hronek UFA/RFA after this year?

He is signed for 3 more years and would still be a RFA after!

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Garland is gonna have to grow a few inches before any team takes interest. Right @The Nightman ?

 

[UrbanImpact]

How about swapping Lundkvist for Matt Robertson?

Canucks can 100% get an offer better than Matt Robertson being the main prospect in return. Nothing against Robertson but Horvat is no joke.

 

[DarthProbert]

Allow me to begin the flood of ripoff proposals that don't bother to even begin to consider the Canucks' needs by suggesting you send Horvat to the Jackets for Emil Bemstrom and a 1st.

But seriously, I'd love for the Jackets to get involved, but the needs the Canucks have are pretty much the same ones we have.

If Rutherford considers Petterson and Hughes more of a core to win with than Horvat and Miller, then he's not considering the Canucks' needs either.

 

[Lays]

Canucks can 100% get an offer better than Matt Robertson being the main prospect in return. Nothing against Robertson but Horvat is no joke.

Robertson is a pretty good prospect although I get you want a RHD. But Robertson+1st+2nd seems pretty in line with what Horvat gets

 

[UrbanImpact]

Horvat is only 2 yrs younger, 250 k higher caphit, and JT Miller is out producing him 2:1. Whose more valuable again?

Both will be due new contracts next year.

Horvat will sign below 7m AAV and Miller will sign north of 8mil AAV.
Both will be long term contracts and the 2 years age difference will be massive in getting value for those long term contracts.

I'm also not arguing who is more valuable, Horvat or Miller.

I'm arguing that there would be just as much if not more interest with Horvat than Miller thus Horvat's asking price isnt going to be much cheaper than Miller's which was what was suggested.

 

[BCNate]

Allow me to begin the flood of ripoff proposals that don't bother to even begin to consider the Canucks' needs by suggesting you send Horvat to the Jackets for Emil Bemstrom and a 1st.

But seriously, I'd love for the Jackets to get involved, but the needs the Canucks have are pretty much the same ones we have.

How available would one of your 1sts be? Sounded a while back like Texier may be available? and or Bean?
Depending on your targets, I think there are some pieces to get things done.

 

[bossram]

To Det:
Bo Horvat

To Van:
Filip Hronek (24 y/o Top 4 RHD) @ 50% retained
Jonatan Berggren (Blue chip FWD prospect)
2022 2nd (DET) 2022 2nd (WSH)

Detroit gets its 2C it desperately needs
Van gets a young offensive top 4 RHD, a blue chip prospect and a few 2nd rounders

Value is pretty good, but I don't rate Hronek particularly highly. He's not great defensively, but a defensive defenseman is really what Vancouver needs on the right side.

I'm a big fan of Berggren and the picks are sorely needed. Honestly I'd rather have Albert Johansson in the package than Hronek, but I suspect most Canucks fans would disagree.

 

[Blacephalon]

Robertson is a pretty good prospect although I get you want a RHD. But Robertson+1st+2nd seems pretty in line with what Horvat gets

that's not in a line with what horvat would get at all. If that was the price every team would be jumping at the price.

how is robertson a top prospect? the only reason you even think he is, is because of your bias


guy who turns 21 in a week and has 9 points in 44 games as a d-man in the ahl is a top prospect. get real and stop overrating your prospects.

 

[BCNate]

I could see Ottawa interested in Podkolzin, especially if they sign Kuzmenko.

If Ottawa drafts 8-10 would a 1st round pick do?

Pod/Stu/Kuz could be hella fun to watch.

I'm a big fan of Podkolzin. Giving him up for the same draft slot 2 years later would be tough. I think most people would be 50/50 on dealing him for a 10th pick.

 

[centipede2233]

Both will be due new contracts next year.

Horvat will sign below 7m AAV and Miller will sign north of 8mil AAV.
Both will be long term contracts and the 2 years age difference will be massive in getting value for those long term contracts.

I'm also not arguing who is more valuable, Horvat or Miller.

I'm arguing that there would be just as much if not more interest with Horvat than Miller thus Horvat's asking price isnt going to be much cheaper than Miller's which was what was suggested.

I couldn’t disagree more