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[Raab]

The Arizona Coyotes need to be deleted from the NHL at this point. It's absolutely ridiculous that they're continuously allowed to pull these shady under the table deals to help teams circumvent the cap (see: Pronger, Datsyuk, Hossa). They're the biggest embarrassment in North American sports.

Apparently you havent followed the Oilers through the last decade....

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Apparently you havent followed the Oilers through the last decade....

No, we're more like the Cleveland Browns in that we suck. We don't pull off these shady transactions that should be banned.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The Arizona Coyotes need to be deleted from the NHL at this point. It's absolutely ridiculous that they're continuously allowed to pull these shady under the table deals to help teams circumvent the cap (see: Pronger, Datsyuk, Hossa). They're the biggest embarrassment in North American sports.

The Cleveland Browns politely disagree.

 

[Raab]

No, we're more like the Cleveland Browns in that we suck. We don't pull off these shady transactions that should be banned.

It's hardly a shady transaction if its allowed under the cap rules. It works for Arizona, as at the end of the day they're a business and have to balance the books or they end up moving or going bankrupt. These moves cost Arizona very little in terms of actual cash, and they get good young players in return as well. Smart GM'ing IMO

 

[SK13]

While the MLB does have a severe salary disparity. It should be noted that just because your paying a player a ton of cash, it doesnt mean your getting your monies worth. For an extreme example Mcdavid made 3.75M last year, versus Lucic who made 6M. In the luxury tax system a player like Lucic would be in say New York and we'd still have Mcdavid. If Mcdavid was ever traded, we would get as much or more then what the Av's got for Lindros. Under the cap, I dont think we can expect that kind of return for Mcdavid when he is eventually moved.

The difference between a hard cap with a floor like the NHL has and what the MLB has is the Oilers are much more likely to be able to retain Connor McDavid for the entirety of his best years and build around him, where MLB and NBA teams often act as feeders. In the NBA, the one thing you can say is that it's not necessarily built around big markets. Oakland is one of the worst cities in North America, but Golden State is the god-tier franchise. In the MLB, big deals are handed out based on need all the time, but it's not unheard of for the biggest deals to come down in Boston or New York.

If salary disparity were less of an issue, then having so few playoff teams would likewise be less of a problem. If the MLB were the NBA or NHL, it would struggle because it's inherent advantages in surviving in that system are unique to baseball. Tickets can't be that cheap for an arena sport and games can't be that chill.

Keep in mind that as the NHL expands to 32 teams, many people inside the sport and out believe the NHL playoffs should extend from 16 teams to 20 teams.

 

[Raab]

No, we're more like the Cleveland Browns in that we suck. We don't pull off these shady transactions that should be banned.

No we're clearly a better organization shipping out Hart trophy winners for top 4 dmen.

 

[North]

Apparently you havent followed the Oilers through the last decade....

The Coyotes have been shit for quite some time and continue to help teams out with these bullshit deals.

 

[North]

No we're clearly a better organization shipping out Hart trophy winners for top 4 dmen.

He wasn't a Hart trophy winner when we traded him.

 

[North]

It's hardly a shady transaction if its allowed under the cap rules. It works for Arizona, as at the end of the day they're a business and have to balance the books or they end up moving or going bankrupt. These moves cost Arizona very little in terms of actual cash, and they get good young players in return as well. Smart GM'ing IMO

What has that smart GMing got them so far?

 

[Raab]

The Coyotes have been **** for quite some time and continue to help teams out with these bull**** deals.

And yet they still regularly have finished above the Oilers in the standings.... If you give the Coyotes a player like Mcdavid who we lucked into, they'd indoubtedly be in a better place then us with their young core and having a stud like OEL on the backend. Winning the Mcdavid lottery covered up a lot of warts for this organization.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

It's hardly a shady transaction if its allowed under the cap rules. It works for Arizona, as at the end of the day they're a business and have to balance the books or they end up moving or going bankrupt. These moves cost Arizona very little in terms of actual cash, and they get good young players in return as well. Smart GM'ing IMO

Just because it's "within the rules" doesn't mean they should be allowed to. Just look at the Hossa contract itself, that was technically allowed under the cap rules at the time of signing, but it was an obvious cap circumvention contract from the start, and the NHL eventually had to introduce the cap recapture rule to stop **** like the Hossa contract from happening. The Coyotes literally acquiring contracts that they don't actually pay just so they can hit the cap floor, while simultaneously pulling another team under the cap, hence facilitating cap circumvention in two different directions for two different teams.

The Arizona Coyotes are the poverty family of the NHL, constantly needed welfare checks from the teams that have turned a profit sometime in the last decade just to get by. Should've moved them to Winnipeg 8 years ago.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He wasn't a Hart trophy winner when we traded him.

He also shouldn't have won this one, but......

 

[joestevens29]

The Arizona Coyotes need to be deleted from the NHL at this point. It's absolutely ridiculous that they're continuously allowed to pull these shady under the table deals to help teams circumvent the cap (see: Pronger, Datsyuk, Hossa). They're the biggest embarrassment in North American sports.

Pronger is really the only shady one. The rest are following the CBA as it was written.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

The Cleveland Browns politely disagree.

The Cleveland Browns have managed to turn a profit sometime this decade. They have a rabid fanbase who will support and show up to games for a team that literally won 0 games last year. The Arizona Coyotes can't even sell out Conference Finals games. It's an absolute joke that they've been allowed to exist for 20 years when the city they were taken from, Winnipeg, had a real fanbase. The only reason they exist was because Bettman tunnel visioned into his sunbelt expansion back in the 90s and was willing to sacrifice Canadian franchises to do so. Except unlike the Colorado Avalanche, this sacrifice not only failed to bring prosperity to the NHL, it has brought upon a plague that drags down every other NHL franchise. I guarantee you that the salary cap would instantly increase by at least 2 million if we deleted this joke of a franchise.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

Man, it's sure depressing watching all of these Western Conference teams load up, while we sit here, hands tied by the salary cap. McDavid deserves his money, but it feels like everyone else is making 500k to 1 million more than they are worth. The fact that we didn't go all in last season while we had the money to do so, could end up being an even bigger blunder than the Hall trade.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Pronger is really the only shady one. The rest are following the CBA as it was written.

The Pronger one is just gross. He should have had to actually make the choice to retire or not. Not get all the benefits of being retired while still having a contract.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The Cleveland Browns have managed to turn a profit sometime this decade.

Yes, the NFL has been profitable for Decades. The rest doesn't matter if you can't fundamentally understand this VERY basic point. NFL teams MAKE money before their seasons even start.

 

[joestevens29]

Just because it's "within the rules" doesn't mean they should be allowed to. Just look at the Hossa contract itself, that was technically allowed under the cap rules at the time of signing, but it was an obvious cap circumvention contract from the start, and the NHL eventually had to introduce the cap recapture rule to stop **** like the Hossa contract from happening. The Coyotes literally acquiring contracts that they don't actually pay just so they can hit the cap floor, while simultaneously pulling another team under the cap, hence facilitating cap circumvention in two different directions for two different teams.

The Arizona Coyotes are the poverty family of the NHL, constantly needed welfare checks from the teams that have turned a profit sometime in the last decade just to get by. Should've moved them to Winnipeg 8 years ago.

Well the Sens tried to do the same, but royally f***ed up and somehow SJ ended up with the cap space and prospect.

Not like this is brand new. IF it was such an advantage and major issue, why aren't more teams stepping up and doing it? No one wants a free asset?

 

[joestevens29]

Just like the Brassard trade. For years people on the main boards suggested it, but were called stupid for even thinking about it.

Now Vegas looks like a genius and there is already talks that it could happen again to get the Karlsson trade done.

 

[Raab]

The difference between a hard cap with a floor like the NHL has and what the MLB has is the Oilers are much more likely to be able to retain Connor McDavid for the entirety of his best years and build around him, where MLB and NBA teams often act as feeders. In the NBA, the one thing you can say is that it's not necessarily built around big markets. Oakland is one of the worst cities in North America, but Golden State is the god-tier franchise. In the MLB, big deals are handed out based on need all the time, but it's not unheard of for the biggest deals to come down in Boston or New York.

If salary disparity were less of an issue, then having so few playoff teams would likewise be less of a problem. If the MLB were the NBA or NHL, it would struggle because it's inherent advantages in surviving in that system are unique to baseball. Tickets can't be that cheap for an arena sport and games can't be that chill.

Keep in mind that as the NHL expands to 32 teams, many people inside the sport and out believe the NHL playoffs should extend from 16 teams to 20 teams.

While its true we can keep talent like Mcdavid. I'd argue we'd be able to keep him anyways, with the RFA rules. If we couldn't afford him, then we'd be getting a TON in return. Much more then what we'll receive in the cap system. And as you pointed out the NBA also has super teams who win every year.

The MLB over the last 30 years has had 19 different teams win a championship, the NFL has had 14, NHL 13, and NBA 10 over the same time frame. It could be argued that yes, a luxury tax does create a gap in team salaries. But small market clubs have an easier time getting cheap young players to develop under that system. As a result of big markets having no room to develop the young player, because they're paying established talent instead to take the spots on their team.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Yes, the NFL has been profitable for Decades. The rest doesn't matter if you can't fundamentally understand this VERY basic point. NFL teams MAKE money before their seasons even start.

Not true at all. Just take a look at the LA Chargers.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Well the Sens tried to do the same, but royally ****ed up and somehow SJ ended up with the cap space and prospect.

Not like this is brand new. IF it was such an advantage and major issue, why aren't more teams stepping up and doing it? No one wants a free asset?

The Senators are a cluster**** of an organization too. They're the only reason the Oilers don't have the title of "worst run franchise in Canada".

 

[Aceboogie]

No, we're more like the Cleveland Browns in that we suck. We don't pull off these shady transactions that should be banned.

Not shady at all, its well within the rules and every team could do it if they wished

 

[Aceboogie]

What has that smart GMing got them so far?

What has dumb GMing gotten us?

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

speaking of Cleveland my dog just took a Cleveland steamer in my bathroom.