Speculation: Rumour, Trade, and Free Agent Speculation 2018-19 - Part VI

[KingBogo]

Yeah I doubt any rental is doing a trade and sign without knowing what they are getting into and testing the market. Has anyone ever done that?

Not sure if it has never happened but I can't think of any examples in recent years.

 

[Gil Fisher]

With the team he played for not traded as a rental. What rental signs without getting a feel for the landscape and seeing what the open market has to offer first?

Mark F'ing Stone.

 

[KingBogo]

Mark F'ing Stone.

Even as a local boy who spent his whole life wanting to play for the Jets, you'd still take a look see what the open market thought you were worth before signing.

 

[GNP]

IMO moving Connor would turn out to be one of the biggest mistakes this organization would ever do. The guy will be a perennial 35-45 goal scorer and do everything else right.

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The very "last" thing you want to do, is trade guys like Connor, and or Ehlers. Teams try desperately to get young guys like this that can score, and do it all. We're very lucky to have both these talented guys, and Ehlers on a very reasonable contract. I'm also quite sure they can sign Connor in around the $ 7 mil mark. That's a lot better than signing guys like McDavid and Mathews or Towes in the $ 11 to $ 12 million dollar mark, and just eating your Cap space up,making it difficult to sign your "important" back fill players up.

The Leafs are now into Mathews for $ 11 mil-- Taveres -$ 12 mil --total = $ 23 million --that is 1/4 of your Cap space. This doesn't include Marner. This is exactly why Edmonton and the Hawks are suffering and not doing well in the standings. Not the way to go--I'd rather have the lot's of the upper middle guys like Scheif, Wheeler, Connor and Ehlers, and keep costs down , and talent evenly spread out. It's the winning formula !!!

I would not let either of these guys go, ( Ehlers or Connor) "unless" what was coming back -you just can't say no too, and that doesn't happen to often.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Even as a local boy who spent his whole life wanting to play for the Jets, you'd still take a look see what the open market thought you were worth before signing.

Buff didn't get to see what he was worth on the open market and July signings don't get to test run their new teams.

It was alleged that Mark would sign at a team friendly amount. I'm sure he and his agent have a pretty good idea what that looks like.

But the bottom line for me is no rentals unless the price is to low to pass up.

 

[KingBogo]

Buff didn't get to see what he was worth on the open market and July signings don't get to test run their new teams.

It was alleged that Mark would sign at a team friendly amount. I'm sure he and his agent have a pretty good idea what that looks like.

But the bottom line for me is no rentals unless the price is to low to pass up.

Players make a decision to sign on sellers because otherwise they get moved for futures and they want to stay where they are. Once you get moved as an elite rental you are already gone so there is no incentive to sign with the new team until you know what the open market place has pegged your worth at.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Players make a decision to sign on sellers because otherwise they get moved for futures and they want to stay where they are. Once you get moved as an elite rental you are already gone so there is no incentive to sign with the new team until you know what the open market place has pegged your worth at.

Agree to disagree. That's your perspective. Mine is different. I'm pretty sure some players would agree to an extension if they were excited about the opportunity (that wouldn't be there without the extension).

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[KingBogo]

Agree to disagree. That's your perspective. Mine is different. I'm pretty sure some players would agree to an extension if they were excited about the opportunity (that wouldn't be there without the extension).

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Fair enough. Everyone doesn't always need to agree as long as we stay respectful and open to others ideas. Appreciate the discussion

 

[TheJadePipe]

This is a bit "IF" heavy but:

If Trouba leaves
If you can flip Connor for Pesce (patch up the RHD void)
If you can sign UFA stone.
Then you can maximize the trade value for Trouba without having to worry about getting D back.

It won't come to fruition but its fun to contemplate.

TBH, Id be happier keeping Connor and Trouba over Stone and Pesce

 

[Whileee]

TBH, Id be happier keeping Connor and Trouba over Stone and Pesce

What if you add a top prospect and a 1st to Stone and Pesce?

 

[TheJadePipe]

What if you add a top prospect and a 1st to Stone and Pesce?

I guess the value is there but that’s somewhat Quality VS quantity....your starting lineup would be weaker no matter how you draw it up

 

[Adam da bomb]

TBH, Id be happier keeping Connor and Trouba over Stone and Pesce

Unless of course that is not really an option and Trouba wants out. Then it would be Connor and a hole in your 1st d pairing, or Pesce and a hole in your top 6 you need to fill. Stone being better than Ves.

 

[Saintb]

One thing I don’t get is everyone saying the Mathews contract raises the bar for others coming off elc. The collective agreement hasn’t changed and no other gm is forced into a top heavy cap allocation like the leafs are pursuing. I doubt chevy changes his approach because of this at all.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Ken Weibe cites Brayden Schenn from the blues as an option for a TDL pickup. Thoughts?

 

[Hunter368]

Staal from the Wild could now be available, nice fit

 

[Saintb]

Ken Weibe cites Brayden Schenn from the blues as an option for a TDL pickup. Thoughts?

I’ve been plugging that one for a while lol. I think he would be a great playoff guy. A good player with a bit of an edge to him. Love players like that.

 

[ps241]

TBH, Id be happier keeping Connor and Trouba over Stone and Pesce

The deal is “if” Trouba is leaving.

 

[Heldig]

Dont like trading top end prospects to division rivals.

Cant see Duchene signing long term in Winnipeg. Stone I can.

 

[Neuf]

Schenn is playing wing, anyone know if that's where he's been all year?

One more year left, 27 y/o... think STL is ok with sending us centres every year? He's younger than ROR, but I guess ROR has a long term deal.

STL is also not out of it yet. Interesting possibility, though.

Edit: compared to Hayes

 

[Highway1]

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The very "last" thing you want to do, is trade guys like Connor, and or Ehlers. Teams try desperately to get young guys like this that can score, and do it all. We're very lucky to have both these talented guys, and Ehlers on a very reasonable contract. I'm also quite sure they can sign Connor in around the $ 7 mil mark. That's a lot better than signing guys like McDavid and Mathews or Towes in the $ 11 to $ 12 million dollar mark, and just eating your Cap space up to sign your "important" back fill players up.

The Leafs are now into Mathews for $ 11 mil-- Taveres -$ 12 mil --total = $ 23 million --that is 1/4 of your Cap space. This doesn't include Marner. This is exactly why Edmonton and the Hawks are suffering and not doing well in the standings. Not the way to go--I'd rather have the lot's of the upper middle guys like Scheif, Wheeler, Connor and Ehlers, and keep costs down , and talent evenly spread out. It's the winning formula !!!

I would not let either of these guys go, ( Ehlers or Connor) "unless" what was coming back -you just can't say no too, and that doesn't happen to often.

I agree 100%. The nhl is getting faster and more skillful, and these are the areas that Connor and Ehlers excel in. Would be foolish to trade these two players.

 

[JetsFan815]

Staal from the Wild could now be available, nice fit

I doubt the Wild will have much interest in helping us out barring a massive overpayment. Another thing to keep in mind is that Paul Fenton who was the Preds assistant GM last season is now the Wild GM. He would not wanna help us out against his old club.

 

[lanky]

I hope that somehow we land Stone.

Would be crazy having Wheeler, Stone and Laine all at RW.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I always though JMo would be good on the PP. So far he looks good, but the results have not been there. Curious to see if Buff back changes that.

Morrissey and PP1 were amazing earlier in the season when Buff was out short term.
They even left him there for about a game and a half.
Then the PP1 went 2 straight chances and it was back to Buff.

The lack of production recently has more to do with the unit as a whole then Buff.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

From what I remember Murat asking Maurice, it sounds like they are missing him most in terms how how much zone time the 1st unit is getting.

Ie: the entries, and how well he keeps the puck in.

That said that clapper is a solid threat a goalie has to respect.

He's pretty good at keeping the puck in but frankly Buff is pretty bad at entries.
I specifically mean his dump ins on the PP.
He does them a lot and they get cleared the majority of the time.
When he lugs the puck in himself and does his one armed sweep to or behind the net then he can be said to be productive on entries.

 

[GNP]

He's pretty good at keeping the puck in but frankly Buff is pretty bad at entries.
I specifically mean his dump ins on the PP.
He does them a lot and they get cleared the majority of the time.
When he lugs the puck in himself and does his one armed sweep to or behind the net then he can be said to be productive on entries.

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I love it when Buff does that one armed sweep behind the net -- opens a lot of ice up and allows other guys to get in position. He should do that more often. He's as strong with 1 arm, as most guys are with 2.