Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where Creativity is murdered by Skepticism and the Salary Cap

[McSuper]

Acquiring Kadri would be decent. I would run nuge on the second line still . Kadri would play 3rd line C with more minutes shuffled in like how Connor and Leon are utilized.

Puljujarvi should play in the AHL and develop there unless he actually gets top 6 minutes and is ready for the challenge.

Can Puljujarvi still be sent down with out another team putting in a claim on him ?

 

[bzur]

Can Puljujarvi still be sent down with out another team putting in a claim on him ?

It was my understanding that he would have to clear waivers now. Zero chance he would go unclaimed.

 

[McSuper]

If you are going to add 10 million in salary to the Oilers do it in the form of two top 6 players IMO

whats better 2 more players for our top 6 right now? or PK Subban.

COME ON GUYS!

And how are we adding 10 million ? If we traded RNH and Larsson for Subban it is a 1 million savings .

If we move the 8OA + Russell for Zucker and the 12OA Thats 5.5 million leads - 4 million from Russell and 1 million from RNH trade meaning you picked up 5ooK + Kadri at 4.5 = 5 million . We would have a true #1D , a shutdown 2C that can score and a winger to go with that C . All our D would be playing less minutes .

Again I rather keep RNH as well but he probably going to looking for 7+ million in 2 years . I just don't think RNH is worth 7 million .

If we did the above trades we also have cap space coming up over the next 2 years to add to the 2nd line and build a 3rd line . We may even be able to move a few cap dumps this year . Benning and Brodziak type of cheap deal then we may be able to add Haula or Eakins on the cheap

Drasaitl McD Kassian
Zucker Kadri Puljujarvi
Khaira Haula Chiasson
Lucic Cave Rattie

Klefbom Subban
Nurse Larsson
Sekera/Jones Bear/Persson/Sekera

Thats a playoff team

 

[McSuper]

It was my understanding that he would have to clear waivers now. Zero chance he would go unclaimed.

Thats what I thought . Another fan was saying he should be in the AHL next season . Just not going to work . The kid needs to be played in the top 6 and left there to develop chemistry with his line mates

 

[McIce Whole]

Acquiring Kadri would be decent. I would run nuge on the second line still . Kadri would play 3rd line C with more minutes shuffled in like how Connor and Leon are utilized.

Puljujarvi should play in the AHL and develop there unless he actually gets top 6 minutes and is ready for the challenge.

If we acquire Kadri, no chance he would run 3C. He would be our 4th best forward, he’s on second line at minimum and honestly, RNH and Kadri might click.

 

[belair]

Thats what I thought . Another fan was saying he should be in the AHL next season . Just not going to work . The kid needs to be played in the top 6 and left there to develop chemistry with his line mates

Not going to happen.

Best thing for him would be to head home for a year or two.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Thats what I thought . Another fan was saying he should be in the AHL next season . Just not going to work . The kid needs to be played in the top 6 and left there to develop chemistry with his line mates

Nah imo. He shouldn't be gifted a thing if he's not contributing. Svechnikov rode the 4th line almost all year in Carolina as part of his development. Seguin did too. They earned their icetime through improvement

Nolan Patrick was forced into a top 6 role for 2 years w/ fantastic linemates. He's headed for the 3rd line next year until his game improves

Jesse by no means deserves to be in the top 6 w/ his NHL play, and the Oil got it right starting him on the 3rd line last year hoping he improves exponentially. . Hitch(or we all know by know it was Chia) showed us exactly how forcing him to be better w/ icetime just doesn't work.

JP needs to evolve on his own, not b/c of who makes him look good. His game is just to weak right now

 

[McSuper]

Nah imo. He shouldn't be gifted a thing if he's not contributing. Svechnikov rode the 4th line almost all year in Carolina as part of his development. Seguin did too. They earned their icetime through improvement

Nolan Patrick was forced into a top 6 role for 2 years w/ fantastic linemates. He's headed for the 3rd line next year until his game improves

Jesse by no means deserves to be in the top 6 w/ his NHL play, and the Oil got it right starting him on the 3rd line last year hoping he improves exponentially. . Hitch(or we all know by know it was Chia) showed us exactly how forcing him to be better w/ icetime just doesn't work.

JP needs to evolve on his own, not b/c of who makes him look good. His game is just to weak right now

You may be right . I just think the Oilers got a habit of putting player in positions to fail . RNH is a great example . He was an offensive centre and that part of his game wasn't developed . He was used as a shut down guy .

 

[syz]

Thats a playoff team

Who's in goal? I see a defense that bleeds chances, so it'd have to be somebody better than Koskinen.

 

[McTedi]

You may be right . I just think the Oilers got a habit of putting player in positions to fail . RNH is a great example . He was an offensive centre and that part of his game wasn't developed . He was used as a shut down guy .

Pretty sure RNH got plenty of time with Hall and Ebs, not exactly defensive linemates. Developing him as 2 way center is hardly putting him in a position to fail.

 

[bobbythebrain]

You may be right . I just think the Oilers got a habit of putting player in positions to fail . RNH is a great example . He was an offensive centre and that part of his game wasn't developed . He was used as a shut down guy .

Oilers got a bad habit of rushing players to the NHL. That is for sure. No arguments

What's ironic about this situation is TM was on full blast for "handling" him wrong,when infact, he actually handled him very well. He even repeatedly relayed that too the media

Problem is too many people think that stats are a measure of development. As stated, Patrick is a good example of that. Most Philly fans are ecstatic that he is on his way too a demotion. Around here, w/ a player like Yakupov, that same treatment was viewed as harmful. Strome is another one that comes to mind. He was good w/ Tavares, but when he was moved off that line to grow as a player. he didn't cuz he needed to help himself, but didn't cuz he just took too many shifts off

Marner is another great example. He can play in the top 6 cuz he was well ahead of the curve. Babcock demoted him to the 4th line for almost a month when he decided Marner had more to learn. Ya it sucked and some fans bitched, but the result was amazing.

 

[McTedi]

And how are we adding 10 million ? If we traded RNH and Larsson for Subban it is a 1 million savings .

If we move the 8OA + Russell for Zucker and the 12OA Thats 5.5 million leads - 4 million from Russell and 1 million from RNH trade meaning you picked up 5ooK + Kadri at 4.5 = 5 million . We would have a true #1D , a shutdown 2C that can score and a winger to go with that C . All our D would be playing less minutes .

Again I rather keep RNH as well but he probably going to looking for 7+ million in 2 years . I just don't think RNH is worth 7 million .

If we did the above trades we also have cap space coming up over the next 2 years to add to the 2nd line and build a 3rd line . We may even be able to move a few cap dumps this year . Benning and Brodziak type of cheap deal then we may be able to add Haula or Eakins on the cheap

Drasaitl McD Kassian
Zucker Kadri Puljujarvi
Khaira Haula Chiasson
Lucic Cave Rattie

Klefbom Subban
Nurse Larsson
Sekera/Jones Bear/Persson/Sekera

Thats a playoff team

I think that is a highly dysfunctional team. I do love that 3rd line, Haula would be a great addition. Subban is over priced hype, he is better than anything we currently have but that isn`t exactly saying much. Hoping Larsson can have a bounce back year, normally a solid defender on a really good contract. And I`d much rather have Nuge than Kadri, he is a much better 2nd line center and a better leader as well. I could see the Oilers trying to upgrade that top RHD spot and possibly using Nuge or Larsson as bait, I`m just hoping for better I guess. I like your idea just dislike the players other than Haula.

 

[Fourier]

Oilers got a bad habit of rushing players to the NHL. That is for sure. No arguments

What's ironic about this situation is TM was on full blast for "handling" him wrong,when infact, he actually handled him very well. He even repeatedly relayed that too the media

Problem is too many people think that stats are a measure of development. As stated, Patrick is a good example of that. Most Philly fans are ecstatic that he is on his way too a demotion. Around here, w/ a player like Yakupov, that same treatment was viewed as harmful. Strome is another one that comes to mind. He was good w/ Tavares, but when he was moved off that line to grow as a player. he didn't cuz he needed to help himself, but didn't cuz he just took too many shifts off

Marner is another great example. He can play in the top 6 cuz he was well ahead of the curve. Babcock demoted him to the 4th line for almost a month when he decided Marner had more to learn. Ya it sucked and some fans *****ed, but the result was amazing.

Marner played about 50 minutes out of nearly 1100 minutes on the 4th line. Strome's best season by far was actually 2014-2015. He played center and hardly ever played with Tavares. Most of his success came with Lee and Nelson.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Marner played about 50 minutes out of nearly 1100 minutes on the 4th line. Strome's best season by far was actually 2014-2015. He played center and hardly ever played with Tavares. Most of his success came with Lee and Nelson.

50 minutes? I doubt that very much. He was with Martin for an extended period

"Marner led the Leafs in scoring last season, with 69 points in 82 games, six points up on Matthews (who missed 20 games.) Marner did it despite spending a great deal of time on the fourth line in the first half of the season and averaging 16:23 of ice time, 11th on the team."

My bad on Strome. I thought his 50 point season was w/ Tavares on wing

 

[Spawn]

GA isn't a measure of defenseman prowess.

The last ranked team in GA in 2017-2018 was the first ranked team in GA in 2018-2019. The Islanders allowed 100 fewer goals with no change to the defensive unit, just a few less man games lost. In their case, this is big thanks to goaltending.

But generally, offense and defense are both under the umbrella of possession as one unique thing. The difference is with offense you need to both control the puck AND have finishing ability where in defense you mostly just need to have the puck more than the other guy. This is why LA has had good defensive results generally, but poor offensive result with strong possession numbers.

Fix the Oilers middle-six forwards and the GA will drop drastically. If they can get goaltending, this would help a lot too. This same top-six, only worse because Nurse and Benning were lesser players back then, got the Oilers to 212 GA with .918 goaltending.

Nurse and benning might be better. But Larsson and Sekera are both much worse. And you make it sound like getting the kind of goaltending we got that year is easy. Talbot was 4th in vezina voting that year.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

You may be right . I just think the Oilers got a habit of putting player in positions to fail . RNH is a great example . He was an offensive centre and that part of his game wasn't developed . He was used as a shut down guy .

If there is one thing the Oilers excel at is this. We do this better than anyone and have for 15 f***ing years.

 

[SK13]

Nurse and benning might be better. But Larsson and Sekera are both much worse. And you make it sound like getting the kind of goaltending we got that year is easy. Talbot was 4th in vezina voting that year.

.918 is easy. 70+ starts at .918 from one goaltender isn't.

Either way my greater point is fixing forward will address GA as much (I think more) than defense.

 

[syz]

50 minutes? I doubt that very much. He was with Martin for an extended period

"Marner led the Leafs in scoring last season, with 69 points in 82 games, six points up on Matthews (who missed 20 games.) Marner did it despite spending a great deal of time on the fourth line in the first half of the season and averaging 16:23 of ice time, 11th on the team."

My bad on Strome. I thought his 50 point season was w/ Tavares on wing

I mean playing 16 minutes a night with a 4th liner on your line sounds like standard Babcock hockey, tbh.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

.918 is easy. 70+ starts at .918 from one goaltender isn't.

Either way my greater point is fixing forward will address GA as much (I think more) than defense.

Getting a .918 Sv% puts you into top-10 of goalies last year tied with Price and Rinne, ahead of Gibson and Andersen.

 

[Chabot84]

And how are we adding 10 million ? If we traded RNH and Larsson for Subban it is a 1 million savings .

If we move the 8OA + Russell for Zucker and the 12OA Thats 5.5 million leads - 4 million from Russell and 1 million from RNH trade meaning you picked up 5ooK + Kadri at 4.5 = 5 million . We would have a true #1D , a shutdown 2C that can score and a winger to go with that C . All our D would be playing less minutes .

Again I rather keep RNH as well but he probably going to looking for 7+ million in 2 years . I just don't think RNH is worth 7 million .

If we did the above trades we also have cap space coming up over the next 2 years to add to the 2nd line and build a 3rd line . We may even be able to move a few cap dumps this year . Benning and Brodziak type of cheap deal then we may be able to add Haula or Eakins on the cheap

Drasaitl McD Kassian
Zucker Kadri Puljujarvi
Khaira Haula Chiasson
Lucic Cave Rattie

Klefbom Subban
Nurse Larsson
Sekera/Jones Bear/Persson/Sekera

Thats a playoff team

RNH alone for Subban is something Edmonton shouldn't do imo let alone adding Larsson. That is just beyond overpayment and would never be offered if we weren't so tight up against the cap with a bunch of crap signed.

 

[Chabot84]

.918 is easy. 70+ starts at .918 from one goaltender isn't.

Either way my greater point is fixing forward will address GA as much (I think more) than defense.

Agree. We have also have a decent amount of prospects coming up for defense. I think we need to invest in top 6.

 

[Fourier]

50 minutes? I doubt that very much. He was with Martin for an extended period

"Marner led the Leafs in scoring last season, with 69 points in 82 games, six points up on Matthews (who missed 20 games.) Marner did it despite spending a great deal of time on the fourth line in the first half of the season and averaging 16:23 of ice time, 11th on the team."

My bad on Strome. I thought his 50 point season was w/ Tavares on wing

He played 99 minutes with Martin the whole year and half that time was with Bozak as their center when they would have effectively been the 3rd line. His demotion was actually much shorter than it seemed but he still got prime pp minutes at the same time. So his offensive instincts were still being used.

The part abut being 11th in TOI/gm is misleading because most of the guys ahead of him were defencemen. He was second on the team in pptoi/g with 2:12 behind only JVR with 2:17. At ES the TOI's amongst forwards were very even for the guys on the top two lines. Matthews had 15:57 min/g and all of Kadri, Nylander, Marleau, Hyman and Marner were within 30 seconds of one another in the 14 minute range.

One issue that I think is often not talked about enough is the lack of consistency in the lines. McDavid mentioned this last year and Nuge emphasized it in his year end video. If this is an issue for the best players imagine how tough it is for the guys who are just learning the game. They never get comfortable with who they are playing with. If the Oilers had a stable roster it may have been better for JP for example to play on the third line with consistent lime mates who could talk to him about what he is doing I much the same way that Derek Roy did with Yakapov. But you still need to nurture the creative side of his game and his offensive skills so some pp time might have helped. But instead we got to watch 40 plus games of the Oilers trying to feed Letestu for a one timer trying to recapture lightening in a bottle.

 

[McSuper]

If we acquire Kadri, no chance he would run 3C. He would be our 4th best forward, he’s on second line at minimum and honestly, RNH and Kadri might click.

I would not trade the 8th OA for Kadri . I would do the 8th OA + Russell for Zucker and the 12th OA for Kadri .

RNH McD Draisaitl
Zucker Kadri Gagner/Chiasson

 

[PKSpecialist]

There is some chatter in the prospects board that the Rangers would love to move up and would be willing to retain 50% on Kreider's salary to do so. Because of the expansion draft I am leary to trade a high end pick, but that said, Kreider would be a fantastic addition to this team, but only has one season left on his deal. The Rangers have some interesting pieces.

Is moving down from 8 to 22ish worth one season of Kreider? Not that we couldn't resign him, but he will be looking for 6-7 million on his next deal I would think. We'd still get a solid prospect in that range, just likely not as impactful, but players like Bobby Brink, Nils Hoglander, Jakob Pelletier, Moritz Seider, are likely available in that range.

 

[belair]

There is some chatter in the prospects board that the Rangers would love to move up and would be willing to retain 50% on Kreider's salary to do so. Because of the expansion draft I am leary to trade a high end pick, but that said, Kreider would be a fantastic addition to this team, but only has one season left on his deal. The Rangers have some interesting pieces.

Is moving down from 8 to 22ish worth one season of Kreider? Not that we couldn't resign him, but he will be looking for 6-7 million on his next deal I would think. We'd still get a solid prospect in that range, just likely not as impactful, but players like Bobby Brink, Nils Hoglander, Jakob Pelletier, Moritz Seider, are likely available in that range.

If you think that Tomasino falls that far, you at least consider it. Kreider would be a massive addition. I still see Tomasino as an Eberle-esque prospect who's still the same two years away from turning pro as the guy you're taking at 8.