Rumor: Rumors & Proposals thread: Vatanen gone as well

[Birdperson]

We are going to get the **** offersheeted out of us in a few years....

Yeah those offer sheets Buffalo and Anaheim threw at us were really awful.

 

[Raab]

I have a very hard time believing anyone is going to take Despres or Stoner off of the Ducks hands.

I think it's Fowler they'll have to move now.

If David Clarkson can be moved, those two for sure can be moved. Have to remember as well that Depres was playing behind Fowler and Lindholm this year which is why his numbers dropped. Stoner only has a couple years left on his deal and ducks could retain salary if they had to.

 

[RipsADrive]

Oh man.

It's never easy is it?

 

[Pointteen]

Yeah those offer sheets Buffalo and Anaheim threw at us were really awful.

Who the **** did we have that was worth offersheeting? Hahaha

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Frick. I wanted Vatanen so badly.

I'm not the least bit flustered by the Vatanen extension, he didn't come cheap which is the most important part. Ducks have an internal budget of $64-$65M from what I last read, which means they are presently $6.7 to $7.7M short of that mark, they have 8 Forwards signed, so they need to pick up 5 more forwards (one critical RFA to extend in Rakell here), and one critical d-man in Lindholm, then an extension for Andersen or pick-up a new goalie if he gets moved out. Ducks need to make something happen to alleviate their budget issues.

 

[Raab]

Shouldn't the NHLPA want to once in a while screw teams over with a low cap? Lots of nice easy money to be made with buyouts. Or does it all come out even in the wash anyways with how the players are paid?

Low cap means the UFA's don't get paid. Basically the way I heard it is that they're divided on wanting to raise the cap, but the UFA's this year are asking why they shouldn't get paid? Which is why they'll be raising it yet again.

 

[McDrai]

Hmm who is the new target now?
Ryan Ellis?

 

[Mr Positive]

Hmm who is the new target now?
Ryan Ellis?

With Seth Jones gone, I don't see why Ellis would be available

 

[Weitz]

Low cap means the UFA's don't get paid. Basically the way I heard it is that they're divided on wanting to raise the cap, but the UFA's this year are asking why they shouldn't get paid? Which is why they'll be raising it yet again.

They just end up paying more escrow. And will make less anyway.

 

[Raab]

Who the **** did we have that was worth offersheeting? Hahaha

NVM misread your post.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If David Clarkson can be moved, those two for sure can be moved. Have to remember as well that Depres was playing behind Fowler and Lindholm this year which is why his numbers dropped. Stoner only has a couple years left on his deal and ducks could retain salary if they had to.

The Ducks aren't the Leafs. They have an internal budget and won't take the broken husk of a player just to weasel out from under the cap.

Despres is an OK defenceman. If they'll trade him at a loss they might be ok, but Lindholm is going to get paid.

 

[doulos]

The trick is to stop talking about defensemen.

Hamonic - no longer moving
Vatanen - signed
Barrie - no longer moving.

 

[Zaddy]

Keep on pretending you know what discussions managers are having and who is available or for what cost.

Post it as fact too

I think I got history on my side here, but either way don't you agree that Vatanen was one of the most realistic trade targets out there? Or do you truly believe young #1D like Lindholm and Faulk have been made available?

 

[Raab]

They just end up paying more escrow. And will make less anyway.

For this year yes, but when you're signing 7 year deals maybe the money comes up in year 3 and your escrow payments go down.

 

[Pointteen]

Connor Mcdavid and Leon Draisaitl are both ineligible for arbitration I believe, leaving them open to offersheets if they're not signed.

I was referring to the dark ages of Gagner, Nilsson and Cogliano as our first line

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I wonder if Chia thinks the left side of the D is as set as we do.

Fowler can move the puck and QB a powerplay...

 

[belair]

Glad Vatanen's off the market. He was not what we needed on the back-end.

I wonder if Chia thinks the left side of the D is as set as we do.

Fowler can move the puck and QB a powerplay...

If we're gonna do that, why not just trade for J-mfing-J for a song? Columbus is probably just going to give him away anyways and I'd think Anaheim would make us pay the divisional tax for any deal regarding a defenseman.

 

[McDrai]

The trick is to stop talking about defensemen.

Hamonic - no longer moving
Vatanen - signed
Barrie - no longer moving.

Pretty much all of the dmen the Oilers were supposedly going to target are off the market. Yup I agree. Let's talk about plugs

 

[McDrai]

With Seth Jones gone, I don't see why Ellis would be available

Well they do have Josi, Weber, and Ekholm. There could be a deal to be made

 

[Ranksu]

Hmm who is the new target now?
Ryan Ellis?

 

[Raab]

The Ducks aren't the Leafs. They have an internal budget and won't take the broken husk of a player just to weasel out from under the cap.

Despres is an OK defenceman. If they'll trade him at a loss they might be ok, but Lindholm is going to get paid.

Meh, I think they dump one or two of Bieksa, Depres, Stoner to keep Lindholm and Fowler. At least thats what I would try and do as a GM. I can't see Lindholm getting much more then 5M if he only signs for 3 or 4 years.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Interesting that I've seen a couple people on Twitter say this doesn't remove Vatanen from the trade market. He has a modified NTC in the last two years of his deal. Nothing before.

 

[Pointteen]

Glad Vatanen's off the market. He was not what we needed on the back-end.



If we're gonna do that, why not just trade for J-mfing-J for a song? Columbus is probably just going to give him away anyways and I'd think Anaheim would make us pay the divisional tax for any deal regarding a defenseman.

Only two years. Jerk Jernhsern and Hamonic would be some improvement.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Pretty much all of the dmen the Oilers were supposedly going to target are off the market. Yup I agree. Let's talk about plugs

That wonderful sense of dread is returning.

 

[Zaddy]

Well they do have Josi, Weber, and Ekholm. There could be a deal to be made

They don't have anyone that's even remotely qualified to play in the top4 outside of those guys and Ellis. Moving him creates a pretty big hole. Signed to a beauty of a deal too.