Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie, Pederson, & Gleason clear waivers

[McTonyBrar]

Stauffer hinting more and more that Oilers are trying to add top 4 RD defensive D in Ceci’s spot

So I don't know what's going on with Cody Ceci.
Is he hurt? Having a slow start? Is He cooked?

I don't know, but he's been atrocious to start this season. This why I'm big on putting him on waivers. 3 reasons

1. He might be claimed, which would be a hole that has to be filled, but his cap hit is gone and the Oilers could more easily just straight acquire someone.

2. If he clears waivers unclaimed, he might be easier to move because whatever team that takes him on doesn't have to try and waive him.

3. If he is cooked, he can be sent down for a small cap saving and kinda adds depth.

I know it's early, but he's been brutal and I don't know that it turns around


Ok, without Spurgeon right now the Minny defense is struggling hard so, it might have been necessity over design him getting that icetime

You’re not wrong. Stauffer is hinting at oilers adding a top 4 RD defensive D. Ceci would be odd man out

 

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Stauffer hinting more and more that Oilers are trying to add top 4 RD defensive D in Ceci’s spot


You’re not wrong. Stauffer is hinting at oilers adding a top 4 RD defensive D. Ceci would be odd man out

Thank God they aren't blind

 

[Tarus]

I don't get the Ceci hate. The guy has completely blown away my expectations since coming here. He makes relatively little money and has absolutely helped Nurse out on that pairing.

I can't imagine getting a significant upgrade on him at his cap hit.

He's just been promoted to a position above his paygrade. He'd be fine on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, but he's the only veteran defensive defenseman they have on the right side so he gets plugged onto the top matchups pairing and gets blamed when he inevitably drowns in the role.

If they can send out Ceci in a trade for an upgrade, 3.2 mill + some retention on an incoming player could result in a decent pickup, just depends on how many prospect/picks they want to give up in return.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Thank God they aren't blind

He almost mentioned looking at a bigger 4C. I don’t think Erne is for the whole season lol

 

[Heavy Dee]

Thank God they aren't blind

Hope they see Kane is cooked as well.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Stauffer hinting more and more that Oilers are trying to add top 4 RD defensive D in Ceci’s spot


You’re not wrong. Stauffer is hinting at oilers adding a top 4 RD defensive D. Ceci would be odd man out

Good, we need such a player because Nurse needs a better fit. Hopefully said player can also make a breakout pass. That would help to cover 2 of Nurse's biggest weaknesses.

He almost mentioned looking at a bigger 4C. I don’t think Erne is for the whole season lol

Erne is on a 2 way deal with the AHL deal being $250K. That sounds to me like someone that has no guarantee's and he really shouldn't. The 4th line doesn't have enough size or bite. I wonder who we target? Dowd was mentioned before.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Hope they see Kane is cooked as well.

After 3 games?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I wonder if we are targeting one of Washington's RD's along with Nic Dowd?

Nic Jensen is a $4.05 million AAV for this & 2 more seasons after this one
Trevor Van Riemsdyk is a $3 million AAV for this & 2 more seasons after this one
Dowd is a $1.3 million AAV for this season and next

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Thank God they aren't blind

Not doing it isn't not be aware of it, even though it doesn't seem that way

 

[OilynutEsquire]

I wonder if we are targeting one of Washington's RD's along with Nic Dowd?

Nic Jensen is a $4.05 million AAV for this & 2 more seasons after this one
Trevor Van Riemsdyk is a $3 million AAV for this & 2 more seasons after this one
Dowd is a $1.3 million AAV for this season and next

Go big or go home. We know they wanted Karlsson, hopefully they target Carlson

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Go big or go home. We know they wanted Karlsson, hopefully they target Carlson

That's interesting because Washington is terrible this year it seems.

What would that look like?

To wsh: Ceci, Janmark, Broberg, Bourgault, 2024 1st and 2026 1st

To edm: Carlson (50% retained) and Dowd

Maybe?

 

[McTonyBrar]

I’d try for Nick Jensen from Washington. He’s a former Red Wing and Washington looks to be on the downfall

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Ceci is exactly the defenseman he's been his whole career. We signed him because we needed a competent veteran defenseman (and desperate for a right-shot) and like every other UFA had to pay a bit extra to get him. He was put on the top pair with Nurse his first year here because we didn't have anyone better and he had a career year. That's not his norm. Every other team he's been on he's been a reliable 4 at his best, and a 5-6 dman at his worst which he still is for us.

Healthy scratched in Pittsburgh

Healthy scratched by Ottawa

No absolutely not, Ceci was very close to the worst d-man in the entire league for a number of years he's progressed a lot from the player he once was, even if he peaked and is regressing now, I respect the fact he stuck it out and evolved his game over time.

I'd also say in his first season with us he played to the level of a #3D, but since then yes he's been one if not 2 notches lower then that.

 

[foshizzle]

Yet chiarelli managed to miss the playoffs with this core.

Was McDavid scoring 150 points and Draisaitl scoring 130?

 

[McTonyBrar]

Was McDavid scoring 150 points and Draisaitl scoring 130?

No but do you remember the wingers and Dmen Chiarelli left them with? Now look.

 

[foshizzle]

No but do you remember the wingers and Dmen Chiarelli left them with? Now look.

Yes I do. Most of them still play with the Oilers. Hyman, as Stauffer has said, was being pushed by Brad Holland. So was Ekholm. Do you remember the GF% what Chiarelli left Holland with? Hint- he’s made it worse every year as GM outside of last year. What does that tell you? He’s riding the McDavid Draisaitl wave and taking credit

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Was McDavid scoring 150 points and Draisaitl scoring 130?

Fair, were their wingers scoring 40 goals and 100 points? Yeah this team is better than chia's

 

[guymez]

No absolutely not, Ceci was very close to the worst d-man in the entire league for a number of years he's progressed a lot from the player he once was, even if he peaked and is regressing now, I respect the fact he stuck it out and evolved his game over time.

I'd also say in his first season with us he played to the level of a #3D, but since then yes he's been one if not 2 notches lower then that.

There is some truth to this even though I think that you are exaggerating a bit to make a point.

Ceci for sure though is low hanging fruit for those fans that choose to overlook Nurses deficiencies and throw it all at Cecis feet.
Ceci is never going to elevate his D partner but that being said Nurse is his own liability most nights with his poor decision making. There is at least one or 2 examples almost every game.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

There is some truth to this even though I think that you are exaggerating a bit to make a point.

Ceci for sure though is low hanging fruit for those fans that choose to overlook Nurses deficiencies and throw it all at Cecis feet.
Ceci is never going to elevate his D partner but that being said Nurse is his own liability most nights with his poor decision making. There is at least one or 2 examples almost every game.

That's fair, Ceci might be "low hanging fruit" but he's a lesser player and more replaceable by a decent amount.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

I want to give you fellers all a fatherly hug. Reel in the horns you rascals. You’re on a message board and no one is bombing your children. No name calling

 

[guymez]

That's fair, Ceci might be "low hanging fruit" but he's a lesser player and more replaceable by a decent amount.

I think that Ceci and Nurse are a very limited pairing. The only way Nurse can be an effective top pairing dman (he is a #2 at absolute best IMO) is with a dman who is an effective top 4 dman.
Ceci is a #5 (a part time #4) IMO and if this defence was constructed properly then thats where he would be placed.

Instead Ceci is being asked to be a top pairing dman and do that with a D partner in Nurse that has his own issues. This is a Holland issue...not a Ceci issue.

Nurse has the physical tools for sure but that isnt enough.
Nurse just isnt good enough to do what a quality dman like Ekholm can do because he just doesnt process the game at a high enough level.
He needs a partner that can help compensate for his deficiencies. Ceci isnt that player.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Nick Jensen would be a perfect add although 33 is a rough age.

 

[McDoused]

I think that Ceci and Nurse are a very limited pairing. The only way Nurse can be an effective top pairing dman (he is a #2 at absolute best IMO) is with a dman who is an effective top 4 dman.
Ceci is a #5 (a part time #4) IMO and if this defence was constructed properly then thats where he would be placed.

Instead Ceci is being asked to be a top pairing dman and do that with a D partner in Nurse that has his own issues. This is a Holland issue...not a Ceci issue.

Nurse has the physical tools for sure but that isnt enough.
Nurse just isnt good enough to do what a quality dman like Ekholm can do because he just doesnt process the game at a high enough level.
He needs a partner that can help compensate for his deficiencies. Ceci isnt that player.

I'm done being a Ceci apologist. He hasnt been asked to be a top pairing dman since we acquired Ekholm. Ekholm and Bouchard have been our top pairing since the TDL. Meanwhile the Nuse-Ceci has been asked to be a second pairing. Ceci has been drowning as a #4 dman and that's with Nurse. Ceci needs to be miles better. He has been a black hole offensively and consistently gets walked on defensively. Add in that he cant breakout, cant pass and our PK sucks. We are trying to win a cup. At least bring in a guy who can ride some momentum and string together some good games without looking out of place.

 

[McDoused]

Nick Jensen would be a perfect add although 33 is a rough age.

That's my worry as well. 3 more years on the deal at 4M. I'm not sure that contract is going to age well. Also I cant remember the last time an American player did well here.

 

[CycloneSweep]

That's my worry as well. 3 more years on the deal at 4M. I'm not sure that contract is going to age well. Also I cant remember the last time an American player did well here.

Derek Ryan?