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I think where we are as a team this year is very different to where we were when we signed him. We've outgrown him and ready to upgrade. But he is who he's always been.
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I think where we are as a team this year is very different to where we were when we signed him. We've outgrown him and ready to upgrade. But he is who he's always been.
I could swear I remember the Oilers being extremely interested in both Jensen and TVR when they were both free agents.
Have they? Since they've acquired Ekholm, Nurse and Ceci are still averaging more time.
Including this season.
That’s a lot to give up. How many years left for Carlson on his current deal?Which winger was added that scored 40 goals and 100 points? So McDavid and Draisaitl have been scoring at their pace because of their wingers vs their wingers scoring more because of McDavid and Draisaitl? Is that the argument?
guymez
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Apparently Ceci and Nurse are sharing the top pairing minutes with Ekholm and Bouchard.
Do you have numbers to dispute that?
In any event...no culpability at all for Nurse a $9.25M dman (paid like a top pairing dman) instead its all on the $3.25M dman who (as I stated) is essentially (and is being paid like) a bottom pairing dman.
Interesting.
I don’t think it’s really on either Nurse or Ceci. They both are what they are. Ceci isn’t good enough to be a top pair dman and Nurse isn’t good enough to carry a bottom pair guy on the top pair. They are both being asked to do more than they are capable of. The fact that Nurse is overpaid for what he brings? That’s on Holland signing him to a contract a year earlier than he needed to.
It ultimately all boils down to not having the right personnel in the top 4.
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What do you mean we need a starter and a almost ready back up in Bako and 2 defensemen and 2 4th liners or maybe three?
What do you mean were p--s--s and a little bit of agressiveness and were sunk.
What do you mean were relying on a guy on the top pair that isn't the right foil for the other guy all while there's likely a nothing rookie on the third pair. The right side D sucks?
What do you mean by game 15 our overpaid starter will be in the Ashram again?
What do you mean the rookie tender is struggling cause there is a book on him now and he has months ahead of him to work on his weaknesses?
What do you mean our 4th line is not effective at all?
Whaaaat do you mean we don't know whether we want to play pond hockey or 1/3/1?
Damn it were still not a two line hockey team!
I MEAN WHO FRIGGIN KNEW? THIS WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW I TELL YAH.
What do you mean were p--s--s and a little bit of agressiveness and were sunk.
What do you mean were relying on a guy on the top pair that isn't the right foil for the other guy all while there's likely a nothing rookie on the third pair. The right side D sucks?
What do you mean by game 15 our overpaid starter will be in the Ashram again?
What do you mean the rookie tender is struggling cause there is a book on him now and he has months ahead of him to work on his weaknesses?
What do you mean our 4th line is not effective at all?
Whaaaat do you mean we don't know whether we want to play pond hockey or 1/3/1?
Damn it were still not a two line hockey team!
I MEAN WHO FRIGGIN KNEW? THIS WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW I TELL YAH.
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Meanwhile back at the farm....
Billy Karlsson has been drinking from the fountain of youth, Chandler thinks he is superman,
Kaden korczak is better than Broberg, Desi and Gleason combined let alone Pachal taking a step.
Low and behold Adin Hill a deadline deal guy is the playing like a young Carey Price.
What a great GM they have, paid almost as much as the great Holland.
Talk about a motivated bunch with a plan. and the right personnel.
Billy Karlsson has been drinking from the fountain of youth, Chandler thinks he is superman,
Kaden korczak is better than Broberg, Desi and Gleason combined let alone Pachal taking a step.
Low and behold Adin Hill a deadline deal guy is the playing like a young Carey Price.
What a great GM they have, paid almost as much as the great Holland.
Talk about a motivated bunch with a plan. and the right personnel.
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My perspective on Nurse is that he basically runs this team as much as McDrai do. Those 3 are all linked. The org is in love with Nurse and he is besties with the best. We gave him a blank cheque and probably will give him one again if McDrai both stay. He plays like he runs things too, just does whatever he wants. So we just sit back and hope he matures his game one day. In the mean time, it would be wonderful if Ceci could just simplify his game and hang back and try to cover for his D partner that does random stuff all the time
Took a pill in Sbisa
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Doesn't matter. He's an veteran American player with a NTC
Jimmi McJenkins
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2 more years after this one.
Ok, you win it's clearly the same team or probably worse. It's why Drake Cagiulla is playing in the top-6 and wasn't one of the first cuts in Camp this year.
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and again...
Jensen + Dowd are really fairly low hanging fruit because they would be coming from Washington (who are likely to suck this year so naturally they'd probably be more likely to move older players like this)... and Holland is familiar with Jensen so he likely has a pretty solid opinion of the player already.
I'm not saying these wouldn't be useful players because a pair of stable, defensively sound assets added to the roster is pretty much just what the roster needs... but playing Devil's Advocate... isn't there anything a little more high end that the Oilers could acquire that might move the needle a little more?
Answering my own question... probably not as the assets going out would have to be pretty large to get anything beyond a Dowd-Jensen duo of players coming back.
I'm not saying these wouldn't be useful players because a pair of stable, defensively sound assets added to the roster is pretty much just what the roster needs... but playing Devil's Advocate... isn't there anything a little more high end that the Oilers could acquire that might move the needle a little more?
Answering my own question... probably not as the assets going out would have to be pretty large to get anything beyond a Dowd-Jensen duo of players coming back.
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John Henry
Yes very much. Thats why we paid Holland so much. Build through the draft and pay for all his connections for trades and because he can build that some free agents will come that normally wouldn't. Right. Don't you remember rebuilding the bottom six as a priority and drafting D men,
Drafting correctly was the big deal.
Broberg was his first draft.
If you get drafted ...if you get traded with no clause ....there is very little player choice unless your a star. Of course there are exceptions but for the most part u don't end up with PLD.
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Jimmi McJenkins
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SJ have Kevin Lebanc on waivers. I've liked the player, but he's too expensive just whole cloth.
I wonder if the Ducks claim him, so makes me wonder if the Caps waive Mantha
I wonder if the Ducks claim him, so makes me wonder if the Caps waive Mantha
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Yup, not to mention a league darling that can flagrantly abuse LTIR and get away with it.
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It sure seems as if at least some of this is true.My perspective on Nurse is that he basically runs this team as much as McDrai do. Those 3 are all linked. The org is in love with Nurse and he is besties with the best. We gave him a blank cheque and probably will give him one again if McDrai both stay. He plays like he runs things too, just does whatever he wants. So we just sit back and hope he matures his game one day. In the mean time, it would be wonderful if Ceci could just simplify his game and hang back and try to cover for his D partner that does random stuff all the time
I dont see Nurse improving much at all though. He is going to be 29 this season.
I'd obviously be a big fan of a bigger impact defenseman, but adding two solid defensive players to the overall makeup up of the team alleviates the need to find that more expensive asset. The more well rounded the team, the less you need studs in the lineup.
Even if Nurse continues to have his struggles, having a more solid, reliable pairing below his means you're more able to trot out a lesser pairing and confidently know they won't get buried.
Jensen would be a really good add i think.
I don't suppose Adam Larsson would be willing to waive for Edmonton if Seattle fizzles out, lol.
guymez
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Some actual stats will provide a lot more reliable info.
The thing with Nurse...for a veteran players he STILL makes at least one or 2 dumb decisions each game. Mind boggling.
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