Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | Which Players Would You Waive or Trade?

[Soundwave]

If they wanted out we would start a rebuild and trade them for the most amount of draft picks and good prospects possible. So the team would be a bottom feeder trying to find a McDavid/Draisaitl again but hopefully with a real defence and goaltending too.

No they wouldn't, you guys are looking at this just from a hockey POV, and not understanding it's a business.

Katz says no. Simple as that. The team has a billion dollar valuation, it would be nowhere close to that without those two players.

They will play every game under their contract, end of discussion. The Oilers have a few years and should trade every 1st/2nd round pick they have to to fill out the roster.

 

[Darkwinter]

Worst case they both say no they don't. it's a debate I am having and reached out for advice

 

[Soundwave]

Worst case they both say no they don't. it's a debate I am having and reached out for advice

Katz' opinion is the only one that matters and there are 1.1 billion reasons (this is Forbes valuation of the Oilers) for him to not even consider it.

They are great for business, the hockey results are secondary 31/32 teams are losers every year.

If you have to trade every 1st/2nd round pick for the next 10 years to build a solid roster around them, you do it. I mean shit, what Oilers non-top 10 picks in the 1st/2nd round have been great in the last 10 years anyway.

 

[Soundwave]

1st 2022
2nd 2022

1st 2023
2nd 2023

1st 2024
2nd 2024

1st 2025
2nd 2025

Trade it all if you have to. Get players who can play are in their 20s.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You’d be a terrible teammate. Why would you throw anyone under the bus? Imagine the crap the locker room would be filled with

It's already filled with crap.

"I'm happy with my teammates but we would always welcome additions to the lineup."

 

[Beerfish]

Don;t worry about 97 or 29 they are signed and both have enough character they are not going all NBA and wanting to run away.

We have an owner, president, gm, coach and about 15 sad sack players to worry about more.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Chychrun will be expensive...

You need capspace, so either Barrie or Kassian has to go the other way
Broberg, Yamamoto and Pulujujarvi might be on the table
and they probably will ask for a 1st

I'd do Barrie/Kassian + Yamamoto + Broberg + 1st so fast it would make Ken Holland's head spin

Puljujarvi... man I don't know. That'd have to be damn near straight across. Kid's a gem.

 

[Oilhawks]

They should. Chychrun would be our best defender.

Gutting the prospects and picks for a defenseman, even a very good one, would be very Oilers when they need a goalie, 3C and a coach as higher priorities

 

[CycloneSweep]

Gutting the prospects and picks for a defenseman, even a very good one, would be very Oilers when they need a goalie, 3C and a coach as higher priorities

All are needs, Nurse isn't good enough to carry the defense.

 

[belair]

There was plenty of time in the offseason, expansion draft and regular draft to upgrade goaltending. Doing it midseason is practically impossible unless you want until the TDL in which cases the prices will skyrocket.

A proactive GM would've solved these issues by now but once again we hired a reactive GM who only addresses issues long after they've sewered the team. And even going against my previous remark, the Leafs upgraded their goaltending midseason for a relatively low cost.

You have the alternate side of that argument available to you in Kuemper, who Colorado outbid us on and paid an exorbitant price for what could end up being a one and done.

Yes, better goaltending would be nice, but good goaltending is something that relies heavily on the team in front of him. So even paying that kind of price wouldn't necessarily pay the kind of dividends that you'd expect.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

When has he ever been a top 20 defender? The guy is on pace for 22 points this year. Where is the buy low when people are talking about Broberg and 2 firsts as a return? The only year anyone can say he was top 20 was when he was playing the same 7 teams 8 times a season.

Yeah, last year. And then Arizona traded away all their NHL players. No defenseman can thrive on that team this year. Even Kessel went from an 80 point player to a 45 point player in ARZ. Connect the dots.

 

[nabob]

Maybe Nuge will step up one of these games by moving his feet and completing a pass to an Oiler player.

He's in that f***ing mode where he moves his feet, but kind of just skates in place. Every pass is telegraphed and cutely saucered to either nobody or the other team. No passes along the ice whatsoever. Shots on goal? When he's playing like this he's dusting it off, placing it, then firing it 3 feet high so it can rip around the glass and out.

I think he's half the reason the PP has stunk lately. Watch how often the possession dies with him lately because of some soft pass to nowhere on the wall.

Maybe Drai could have converted the empty net world class setup that Nuge gave him last game…would have helped to actually score first in a game.

 

[belair]

You are always limited when you are a below average GM. Holland has been this tier of GM for a long time, it didn't just start here.

Doesn't matter if it's the draft, day 1 free agency, trade deadline, December, whatever. He hasn't been able to build any semblance of a team that isn't a tire fire when ever McDavid is off the ice and the goaltending is still poor, we're basically now betting that a 40 year old can turn the season around for the second straight year. That's just a poorly managed team.

Holland is below GMs like even Dubas and Treleving who aren't even that good to begin with.

You're limited by the market even if you're a 'good' GM. You're limited by the market value of the assets you have available and you're limited by the supply of players available at any given time.

Doing nothing is often better than doing something--particularly midseason when prices are sky high driven by a weak player market.

 

[Soundwave]

The Oilers nearly made the Conference Finals with Letestu as their freaking 3C. I believe Caggiula was the other bottom 6 center for much of the time after that. How much does a Mark Letestu cost? Go get Dzingel for a bag of popcorn from Arizona, sheesh.

 

[Soundwave]

You're limited by the market even if you're a 'good' GM. You're limited by the market value of the assets you have available and you're limited by the supply of players available at any given time.

Doing nothing is often better than doing something--particularly midseason when prices are sky high driven by a weak player market.

If you're a below average GM, you're screwed either way, the proof is always in the pudding. It's funny that you take so many shots at Dubas when he's clearly a better GM than any one McDavid has ever had and he's not even that great.

 

[K1984]

Maybe Drai could have converted the empty net world class setup that Nuge gave him last game…would have helped to actually score first in a game.

Why Leon starts doing that every game he'll get equal criticism from me.

RNH has been a useless turnover machine for the better part of two weeks straight now. He had a bit of a renaissance in the back half of the Carolina game, but then went immediately back to being, frankly, a liability last night.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Gutting the prospects and picks for a defenseman, even a very good one, would be very Oilers when they need a goalie, 3C and a coach as higher priorities

Get over it with the coach. Tippett isn't going anywhere until the off season unless he wants to, or unless his COVID keeps him out.

We do need to improve the LD as well. A LD core of Chycrun/Nurse/Keith would let us run the right side as the "weak" side, with Bouchard, Ceci, and Russell (or a new body, assuming Barrie goes in a Chycrun trade) on the right.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Yeah, last year. And then Arizona traded away all their NHL players. No defenseman can thrive on that team this year. Even Kessel went from an 80 point player to a 45 point player in ARZ. Connect the dots.

and the four seasons prior when he could only pace for 30 points over an entire season was what just bad luck? He'd look right at home being constantly on the IR, though.

 

[Oilhawks]

Not sure if anyone else bothered to listen to Bob today but he was going on (a lot) about trying Nuge at 3C and keeping Yamo with him on the third line.

They’ll probably try that first before making a move of any kind. They should have been tried Nuge as 3C a couple games ago at the latest but this coach is this coach so…

Bob also said something about “expect a RW and RD to move in the offseason”.

Great news, I guess

 

[Oilhawks]

Get over it with the coach. Tippett isn't going anywhere until the off season unless he wants to, or unless his COVID keeps him out.

We do need to improve the LD as well. A LD core of Chycrun/Nurse/Keith would let us run the right side as the "weak" side, with Bouchard, Ceci, and Russell (or a new body, assuming Barrie goes in a Chycrun trade) on the right.

No

You can go beat off about how great Tippett is and ignore that the Canucks are playing way better with a new coach

This team has no depth, let’s trade whatever resembles depth for one LD. Sounds good

 

[K1984]

Not sure if anyone else bothered to listen to Bob today but he was going on (a lot) about trying Nuge at 3C and keeping Yamo with him on the third line.

They’ll probably try that first before making a move of any kind. They should have been tried Nuge as 3C a couple games ago at the latest but this coach is this coach so…

Bob also said something about “expect a RW and RD to move in the offseason”.

Great news, I guess

Nothing like a 3rd line anchored down the middle by a guy that can't win a draw or defend the slot flanked by a guy that's 5'6, a total defensive mess, and also a turnover machine.

 

[Soundwave]

Not sure if anyone else bothered to listen to Bob today but he was going on (a lot) about trying Nuge at 3C and keeping Yamo with him on the third line.

They’ll probably try that first before making a move of any kind. They should have been tried Nuge as 3C a couple games ago at the latest but this coach is this coach so…

Bob also said something about “expect a RW and RD to move in the offseason”.

Great news, I guess

lol called it even last summer. Kassian and Barrie would have to go for cap reasons.

 

[Oilhawks]

Nothing like a 3rd line anchored down the middle by a guy that can't win a draw or defend the slot flanked by a guy that's 5'6, a total defensive mess, and also a turnover machine.

Yeah, Bob commented on the inability to win a draw not being ideal. Yamamoto needs to be in the bottom 6 or traded. I’d rather they don’t trade him at his lowest value but it might be too late for that

 

[Old Boys Club]

Not sure if anyone else bothered to listen to Bob today but he was going on (a lot) about trying Nuge at 3C and keeping Yamo with him on the third line.

They’ll probably try that first before making a move of any kind. They should have been tried Nuge as 3C a couple games ago at the latest but this coach is this coach so…

Bob also said something about “expect a RW and RD to move in the offseason”.

Great news, I guess

AKA Barrie and Yamamoto

 

[Oilhawks]

lol called it even last summer. Kassian and Barrie would have to go for cap reasons.

Yeah. Honestly not surprised if it wasn’t the plan when Barrie signed his deal, lack of trade clauses stood out. If he was great and Bouchard didn’t turn out then maybe he’d be kept