Proposal: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Pre season edition

[Little Fury]

It'll pale in comparison to when we acquire KESSEL.

I think this could all blow up hugely (to borrow a Trumpism) in Vegas' face. Fairly sizeable risk for McPhee to take, trading away most of his future assets and signing a bunch of longish term, big money deals.

I think the idea is to keep the team competitive in the short term until they are established enough that fans will stick around during a lean stretch.

Loading up on AAV at the expense of term is a smart move imo.

 

[t0nedeff]

Patches put up less than 40 points and somehow got 7 million dollars out of it I don't know how thats a good contract especially if he doesn't bounce back.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Essentially all these UFA signings seem a bit much, but term is quite low. Patches could've very well been getting 7 years at 6mil.

This will be a deal now that we will know better on in a few months. If Patches can rebound this trade isn't that bad. However, Patches comes in at 20 or less goals and it's going to look real bad.

4 years really isn't bad at all. I think modern contracts should be judged by length rather than price tag.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I'm quite surprised a 29 year old signed a 4yr UFA, basically, contract.

 

[joestevens29]

Winnik and Stempniak get PTOs with the Bruins.

Hopefully we can pull a Calgary and steal Winnik after his PTO.

Don't ask me why the NHL did this, but these PTO's make a lot more sense for Boston as they play games both in China and USA. Saturday and Wednesday in China, but Sunday and Tuesday in USA.

Seems really f***ing stupid by the NHL to do that. I assume CGY is the same as CGY plays Boston in China.

 

[GRadio]

I’m glad we’re playing in Europe and Calgary is playing in China. That Asian jet lag is no joke.

 

[Cloned]

I think the idea is to keep the team competitive in the short term until they are established enough that fans will stick around during a lean stretch.

Loading up on AAV at the expense of term is a smart move imo.

At this rate the lean stretch will far exceed the short term gain, especially considering the likelihood of the team regressing this season.

 

[joestevens29]

Interesting point brough up by nightfighter in the around the league thread. Let Neal go, but pay more for Patches plus give up assets?

 

[Jumptheshark]

I’m glad we’re playing in Europe and Calgary is playing in China. That Asian jet lag is no joke.

For me jet lag is jet lag

Only time I ever got it is when I flew to Australia for the first time--I would have slept--but Singapore airlines has great inflight entertainment

I watched the first 2 Godfathers and the indiana jones on the flight from London to Singapore

 

[Cloned]

Interesting point brough up by nightfighter in the around the league thread. Let Neal go, but pay more for Patches plus give up assets?

Neal never sticks around anywhere for long. Dallas traded him away after he put up some good seasons, then he didn't stick around in Pittsburgh or Nashville. There have been some longstanding rumours around the guy.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Interesting point brough up by nightfighter in the around the league thread. Let Neal go, but pay more for Patches plus give up assets?

I think that they wanted Erickson and wanted to have the ability to get him--either they have given up on him or they are waiting for UFA season 2019

 

[Lrrr]

Interesting point brough up by nightfighter in the around the league thread. Let Neal go, but pay more for Patches plus give up assets?

I was thinking that to myself earlier. I'd take Neal on his current deal and keep the assets. That Tatar deal looks ugly right now, but I see no reason why he can't rebound next season. 7M for patches seems like a lot for a guy who didn't hit 40 points last year.

 

[Fourier]

Interesting point brough up by nightfighter in the around the league thread. Let Neal go, but pay more for Patches plus give up assets?

I'd take Patches over Neal in a heartbeat. Patches is actually a very good two way forward and a better playmaker. Neal is a shooter, with a bit of a nasty streak but is not really all that reliable defensively and is a less consistent scorer than Pacioretty. Giving up Suzuki and the extra dollars is an issue, though I suspect that they wanted to get rid of Tatar. That said they are eating $500K of Tatar's money so that does make Patches even more expensive.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Who's looking forward to the next lockout? I believe the NFL lockout will be close to the same timeline.

 

[joestevens29]

I'd take Patches over Neal in a heartbeat. Patches is actually a very good two way forward and a better playmaker. Neal is a shooter, with a bit of a nasty streak but is not really all that reliable defensively and is a less consistent scorer than Pacioretty. Giving up Suzuki and the extra dollars is an issue, though I suspect that they wanted to get rid of Tatar. That said they are eating $500K of Tatar's money so that does make Patches even more expensive.

I take Patches too, if they were both UFA's. The problem I'm seeing is Vegas is adding a lot of different pieces. They got lucky last year having everyone gel, but to think it's going to happen again might be wishful thinking.

 

[Cloned]

Who's looking forward to the next lockout? I believe the NFL lockout will be close to the same timeline.

Maybe we'll see the NHL get non-guaranteed contracts but no more salary cap.

 

[Fourier]

I take Patches too, if they were both UFA's. The problem I'm seeing is Vegas is adding a lot of different pieces. They got lucky last year having everyone gel, but to think it's going to happen again might be wishful thinking.

I actually agree. Their defense is a big ??? for me. I also think there forwards will regress.

 

[Cloned]

I'd offer Lucic to Montreal for Tatar and see if there is any interest.

 

[Seachd]

 

[joestevens29]

I'd offer Lucic to Montreal for Tatar and see if there is any interest.

I doubt Lucic has interest. More taxes, bigger headache, pissed off the fan base

Always liked him. Just don't know what type of role we can expect from him.

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

If he can chip in those 9g, then he's already better than most of our bottom 6 options.

 

[Senor Catface]

Chiasson was on pace for 70 goals in 12-13 so we basically just got a superstar for free.

 

[CupofOil]

I like Patches alot but this is a far stretch. Both have the same GPG average (0.361), but Hall dwarfed his career PPG (0.89, 0.71). Hall at his peak (yes, his peak year was here as an Oiler in 13/14, given how bad his team was) was better than Patches career peak. Halls defensive metrics are actually similar to Pacioretty. Eberle had a higher GPG average (0.323) and career PPG (0.75) than Patches, but Patches had a bigger advantage defensively

All in all, id say Patches would fall in the middle of the two. Hall is an elite, top 10 forward in the league. Eberle is a serviceable and reliable top line player. Patches is a good, but not elite, top 40 forward

Pacioretty was a consistent 35-40 goal, 65-70 point excellent 2 way forward. I think it's very arguable that he was on or close to Hall's level the 5 or so seasons prior to last one. Better goal scorer, better defensively while Hall was the better line driver (puck possessor) and better playmaker. Hall has never been near the defensive player that Pacioretty was regardless of what the metrics said. Hall was an elite top 10 forward last season but not consistently throughout his career.
We can take this to another thread if you'd like so we don't have a big Hawaiian looking to kick our ass.

In any event, this was a pretty standard return for a UFA of Pacioretty's caliber. The equivalent of a 1st+2nd rounder+cap dump.

 

[Little Fury]

Lot of competition at the bottom end of the roster this camp, I wonder if they are shopping Kassian.

Kassian and a pick/prospect for Faulk?

 

[Not Robin Brownlee]

Oilers must be moving a bottom 6er at some point one would think.