Bryanbryoil
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Potential added bonus is that he and Larsson played well together at the last Worlds if we decide to keep Lars.
Nurse isn’t gonna be traded. Besides, they would want Klef anyway. He’s much better and cheaper along with being signed longer. Sub in Klef for Nurse and I’d do the first trade with Crouse coming back as well. The second trade isn’t enough for Kuemper.Edmonton
OEL
Arizona
Nurse
Neal
Samarukov
1st round pick 2021
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Edmonton
OEL
Kuemper
Arizona
Nurse
Neal
Samarukov
1st round pick 2020
Conditional 2022 2nd round pick
*Condition is if the oilers go to the Stanley cup finals in 2021 or 2022 then this pick becomes a 1st round pick
Reunites with tippet and playfair
Will cost us more cause were in the same division
Can then let broberg devolp while OEL, Klefbom and jones run the LHD
Nurse isn’t gonna be traded. Besides, they would want Klef anyway. He’s much better and cheaper along with being signed longer. Sub in Klef for Nurse and I’d do the first trade with Crouse coming back as well. The second trade isn’t enough for Kuemper.
Fair value. The trade seems risky but the bottom line is we do upgrade in 2 positions. We would still have to shed some salary somewhere else. I would almost be inclined to trade Klefbom rather than Nurse. And we are still weak at RH 1D, although I think OEL could elevate Larsson's play.Edmonton
OEL
Arizona
Nurse
Neal
Samarukov
1st round pick 2021
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Edmonton
OEL
Kuemper
Arizona
Nurse
Neal
Samarukov
1st round pick 2020
Conditional 2022 2nd round pick
*Condition is if the oilers go to the Stanley cup finals in 2021 or 2022 then this pick becomes a 1st round pick
Reunites with tippet and playfair
Will cost us more cause were in the same division
Can then let broberg devolp while OEL, Klefbom and jones run the LHD
The smartest play in that case would be to trade Larsson for a forward/picks and sign Demelo in FA. Demelo would be cheaper and is a good bit better as a complimentary shutdown d.Fair value. The trade seems risky but the bottom line is we do upgrade in 2 positions. We would still have to shed some salary somewhere else. I would almost be inclined to trade Klefbom rather than Nurse. And we are still weak at RH 1D, although I think OEL could elevate Larsson's play.
It's too bad that TO is up against the cap. I'm sure there is a trade for Larsson to be had there but Kerfoot or Johnsson for Larsson has the Leafs eating more cap. I agree on Larsson, he is one dimensional and can be replaced by a solid defensive D man.The smartest play in that case would be to trade Larsson for a forward/picks and sign Demelo in FA. Demelo would be cheaper and is a good bit better as a complimentary shutdown d.
Maybe slightly but still becomes our 1D by a mile.OEL No, he is overrated and over priced
I think change of scenery would helpOEL No, he is overrated and over priced
It’s kinda interesting to me how every exec/insider/whatever that Stauffer talked to agreed that OEL is a legit #1 but so many here seem to disagree. There’s some valid concerns about his contract but it’s crazy to me to think that he wouldn’t be a huge boost to the blue line. The questions around him remind me of what happened with O’Reilly in Buffalo, feels like if OEL moves the same will happen. Years of losing while playing for shit teams wears on a guy, we’ve seen it first hand here with guys excelling after leaving the Oil. I really hope Holland can get involved in OEL.
That's the issue people think he can bounce back or are hopeful he can bounce back, but what if he doesn't, or what if he continues sliding down. An $8.25M x 7 year deal is weighty, it is extremely weighty, if you screw it up you're not getting a do-over, you aren't getting a life line, that a huge commitment with long term implications.I think change of scenery would help
Reuniting him with tippet and playfair who were with him when he was playing his best hockey will get him back to what he was
A first for Matt Murray? Bleh ... no thanks.
And no thanks to another year of Mike Smith too.
I agree. At $6.25M OEL makes a lot more sense. He is owed $54M in real dollars going forward and without draft picks, no real top end prospect and no cap space it is easy to think that the next 4 years in AZ are going to be survival mode. At 20% retention they basically pay his salary next year (2021-2022).That's the issue people think he can bounce back or are hopeful he can bounce back, but what if he doesn't, or what if he continues sliding down. An $8.25M x 7 year deal is weighty, it is extremely weighty, if you screw it up you're not getting a do-over, you aren't getting a life line, that a huge commitment with long term implications.
Normally when you gamble or take a chance on someone who's falling short of expectations you aren't locked in to your mistake for 7 years, possibly more if a buy-out is required.
Is this a gamble we can afford to take? At the moment we are struggling to cobble together a competent top 6 and that's without an $8.25M d-man on the books, if he falls short and plays at lets say a 2nd pairing d-man level who's kind of good on the PP, but doesn't do much else can we still be competitive? Does this single decision have the potential to sink us and potentially ruin the McDavid era Oilers capacity to compete? Would McDavid even want to re-sign if we are trash?
IMO it looks like this decision by the Yotes is motivated by a desire to cut salary and there are some teams who could possibly fit him with no retention and I just don't think that is an option for us, we need the hedge of salary retention. Like if we got $2M retention on his deal and he failed to live up to expectations and we wanted to trade him again, we might not find any takers at what would be $6.25M for 6 more years, but if we offered to an additional $2M of salary retention for those 6 years there is a decent chance we could find a new taker and while it sucks to be sure it isn't anywhere near as crippling as it could've been.
Maybe, but they also know that every year his performance declines because he’s not engaged on a crappy team will affect his trade value.Will the Coyotes actually deal OEL this off-season? I get that there’s all this “insider buzz” that has him on the open market, but how does it actually make sense for the Coyotes? Unless I’m mistaken, bonuses were still paid out July 1st, weren’t they? Meaning the Yotes have already paid 1/2 his salary this year. Unless his bonus hasn’t been paid out yet, then I understand why they’d move him before that, but if it’s already been paid then it makes zero sense for them to trade him now.
A first for Matt Murray? Bleh ... no thanks.
And no thanks to another year of Mike Smith too.