Proposal: Rumors and Proposals Thread: No News is Good News

[dem]

Ceci has played over 400 games and he hasn't broken out. It's not coming.
(Klef game count is 286. Nurse 244)

DO NOT OVERPAY FOR CECI

 

[A91]

Because why not: Bob was asked who he envisions the Oilers would consider for the 1st round pick.

He said he wouldn't name names, but did say that he would look at a young guy on a bridge deal (right now) who has had some contentious negotiations with his team, the team being average to below average.

The first player who comes to mind is Athanasiou.

Any other ideas on this?

 

[A91]

I would be comfortable trading our 1st (top10 protected) for AA

 

[Raab]

Ottawa having to play him there doesn’t make him a top 4 dman. He’s like a #5, and he’s not that good at anything other than holding his stick with his left hand at the top.



That would be an ideal scenario imo. And offer him like 4 years @2.0 per before he steps foot on the ice



Unless that’s Duchene/Stone with an extension, I’m not sure why we’d want to. Russell is better than Ceci

Ottawa is playing him as their top pairing dman. He’s be way better here where we could shelter him a bit.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Unless you have a magic wand to fix the current cap situation, it kind of matters.

Should be pretty obvious why Chia wasn't in on Nino.

I wanted Nino, but I couldn't justify any sort of trade without retention, if that wasn't on the table it's not hard to see why we weren't involved.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Ottawa is playing him as their top pairing dman. He’s be way better here where we could shelter him a bit.

Shelter him with who?

 

[The Nuge]

And here's a quote from their beat writer Luke Decock (the Herald Sun- Feb 5, 2018)- "If new owner Tom Dundon wants to win over fans, he ought to be handing out $5 bills at the end of every flaccid Victor Rask shift in apology – and there are only four more years to run on the long-term contract Francis gave Rask for no apparent reason."

Fact of the matter is Rask has gotten outplayed by every other center in Carolina, I won't argue that it won't be a good trade for Minny cause Nino while a good player was making a lot for what he contributed and Rask is a reasonably cheap buy-out (though it does stretch on for a while), to me this is a reload trade where you think you can use your money more efficiently elsewhere, but it also skews Minny towards being a worse team this season which is a bit confusing given their current position and average age of their group.

The best part is the team who lost that trade is the team we’re trying to catch

Any other ideas on this?

Depending on what you call a bridge deal, maybe Miles Wood and Nick Ritchie

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Ceci has played over 400 games and he hasn't broken out. It's not coming.
(Klef game count is 286. Nurse 244)

DO NOT OVERPAY FOR CECI

Ceci would be our 5th best d-man IMO and his qualifying offer is $4.3M, I'd be fine with steering clear all together. It might come for him, he does have some skill, but this is a party I'd prefer to be late to. I'd rather be the 3rd team to give him a shot at a reduced cap-hit, rather than the 2nd team who gets suckered into a bad deal at a bad cap-hit.

 

[joestevens29]

Any other ideas on this?

Outside of what has been mentioned maybe Vessey?
On a two year deal that just started, but UFA at end.

 

[joestevens29]

The best part is the team who lost that trade is the team we’re trying to catch



Depending on what you call a bridge deal, maybe Miles Wood and Nick Ritchie

And what is young?

 

[The Nuge]

Ottawa is playing him as their top pairing dman. He’s be way better here where we could shelter him a bit.

But why waste the assets and capspace acquiring him to be our #5 dman, when we have 0 top 6 wingers?

 

[Little Fury]

I dunno tbh, he just screams to me to be a typical player who's producing because he's given the opportunity on a bad team. Reminds me of a better version of guys like Brule, Potulny, etc.

He's a guy that I view as a luxury 3rd line scoring option on a cup contending team. If he's our full time top line winger then I worry.

I could be completely wrong though.

I never get this thing where people think it's easier to put up numbers on a bad team because of opportunity. It seems to ignore the "bad team" part. If anything, putting up points with a bunch of **** teammates is probably harder than doing so on, say, Tampa Bay's third line.

 

[McDNicks17]

And here's a quote from their beat writer Luke Decock (the Herald Sun- Feb 5, 2018)- "If new owner Tom Dundon wants to win over fans, he ought to be handing out $5 bills at the end of every flaccid Victor Rask shift in apology – and there are only four more years to run on the long-term contract Francis gave Rask for no apparent reason."

Fact of the matter is Rask has gotten outplayed by every other center in Carolina, I won't argue that it won't be a good trade for Minny cause Nino while a good player was making a lot for what he contributed and Rask is a reasonably cheap buy-out (though it does stretch on for a while), to me this is a reload trade where you think you can use your money more efficiently elsewhere, but it also skews Minny towards being a worse team this season which is a bit confusing given their current position and average age of their group.

It'll be interesting to see how much of that is on the Hurricanes as a team.

They are far from pretty as far as analytics go this season.

Although looking closer, Rask has hilariously low metrics compared to his teammates. It's strange too since he's basically the only one. I wonder what caused that. I'm guessing he was centering the 4th line with their AHL call-ups and getting blown up.

 

[Little Fury]

Disagree. He’d be, at best, our 5th dman, and doesn’t bring enough offense to bother wasting assets to acquire. And he’s not a winger, which is what we actually need.

All of that and Chia's been hot for him for three years? Welcome to Edmonton Cody!

 

[Raab]

Shelter him with who?

Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse... Say what you want but adding another 25-30 point, 5-10 goal dman to our group makes it pretty competitive league wide. I feel we could win a cup with our centres being Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Pageau and our top 5 dmen being Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Ceci, Russell. It also makes our defence our clear and away strong point on the roster. So we would be able to move one of the guys for a top flight forward if needed.

 

[Canovin]

Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse... Say what you want but adding another 25-30 point, 5-10 goal dman to our group makes it pretty competitive league wide. I feel we could win a cup with our centres being Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Pageau and our top 5 dmen being Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Ceci, Russell. It also makes our defence our clear and away strong point on the roster. So we would be able to move one of the guys for a top flight forward if needed.

Sure if Ceci only cost Spooner, Benning, Petrovic, Manning. But not for a 1st. Klef is also coming back in a month. A legit top 6 winger is of dire need

 

[Little Fury]

Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse... Say what you want but adding another 25-30 point, 5-10 goal dman to our group makes it pretty competitive league wide. I feel we could win a cup with our centres being Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Pageau and our top 5 dmen being Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Ceci, Russell. It also makes our defence our clear and away strong point on the roster. So we would be able to move one of the guys for a top flight forward if needed.

I would legit rather run Bouchard or Jones, who might be bad, in the top four than Ceci, who is bad and also expensive.

 

[Jet Walters]

Puljujarvi and Benning for Athanasiou and a 3rd/4th

Sekera, Spooner, Bear, 1st, conditional 2nd for Stone (signs 9M per)

This might actually fit under the cap next year. If Sekera can stay on LTIR for the duration of his deal he'd actually have some value to Ottawa.

Athanasiou McDavid Drai
Lucic RNH Stone

Powerplay would be dynomite with McDavid, Drai, RNH, Stone, and one of Bouchard/Klef/Nurse

 

[Little Fury]

Hamilton would solve a lot of our issues right now.

1. Push Larsson to 2nd pairing minutes where he should excel or at least split those minutes with Hamilton
2. Allow Benning to be moved.
3. Allow Bouchard time in Bakersfield next year.
4. Let Petrovic walk
5. Shoot Manning into the sun
6. Move Russell for cap releaf and open a spot for Jones.

Could also mean you can move a D prospect (Bear or Jones) for an F.

IF (big IF), Sekera can regain some form for next year you could have

Nurse-Hamilton
Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Jones
Gravel

Swap Klef and Nurse there and you've got yourself a stew going.

 

[Raab]

Sure if Ceci only cost Spooner, Benning, Petrovic, Manning. But not for a 1st. Klef is also coming back in a month. A legit top 6 winger is of dire need

Well you’re getting a top 4 dman and one of the best 3rd line centres in the league in return for junk besides the 1st in the deal I posted.

 

[space321]

I never get this thing where people think it's easier to put up numbers on a bad team because of opportunity. It seems to ignore the "bad team" part. If anything, putting up points with a bunch of **** teammates is probably harder than doing so on, say, Tampa Bay's third line.

What do you mean? I never said it's easier for him to put up points on a bad team. It takes talent to produce in the NHL no matter what position you're in.

However, that does mean some players will have "career years" on a bad team. I'm just saying Athanasiou might not be the solution to our top line winger problems. Remember our young guys like Cogliano, Gagner, Nilsson? They produced when given ice time, but it turned out they weren't the top line players like we thought.

 

[Raab]

I would legit rather run Bouchard or Jones, who might be bad, in the top four than Ceci, who is bad and also expensive.

Ceci is hardly bad, he’s not a #1 guy but he’s not paid like it either. He brings an element that we need on this team with his big right hand shot. Imagine a PP where he’s positioned on the Left point. Would be great to watch Mcdavid feed him bombs. Then if Bouchard makes the team we could have another bomb on the 2nd unit. Our special teams would be deadly.

 

[StevenF1919]

Are you guys f***ing crazy? Cody Ceci is one of the worst dmen in the league to see regular minutes and has been for the past 3 seasons. Haven't we learned our lesson with Petrovic and Manning?

If Ceci was available on waivers and had a league minimum salary I still wouldn't want him.

 

[A91]

Depending on what you call a bridge deal, maybe Miles Wood and Nick Ritchie

Miles Wood came to mind for me as well. I really hope its not him.

In terms of preference from the names listed

AA > Ritchie > Wood > Ceci

Ceci with a QO of 4 million is makes him that much more less desireable. Hes a 2.5m dplayer and will likely make close to 4.5m :O

 

[Little Fury]

Ceci is hardly bad, he’s not a #1 guy but he’s not paid like it either.

You know he's up for a new deal this year right?

He brings an element that we need on this team with his big right hand shot. Imagine a PP where he’s positioned on the Left point. Would be great to watch Mcdavid feed him bombs. Then if Bouchard makes the team we could have another bomb on the 2nd unit. Our special teams would be deadly.

And whatever value he brings to the PP would be vastly outweighed by the fact he's a huge liability at 5v5. We'd be better off running Bouchard as a 6D and PP specialist than spending assets to bring Ceci here to play regular top 4 minutes and get caved in.