Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | Klefbom is Injured, Who Replaces Him?

[bucks_oil]

I just want to add this in because I feel like it's required:

When McDavid OR Drai were on the ice at 5v5, this team scored 85 goals and let in 79 goals. +6. You'd hope for better from the two stars but they scored so much on the PP that it went beyond that total, plus still over the water.

When NEITHER are on the ice....oh my god. 41 goals for, 67 goals against at 5v5. -26. Worse than Buffalo's team plus/minus as a whole.

Stats are from PuckIQ.

Ken Holland, you have been gifted two superstars. Right now, the Oilers are Buffalo but with two Jack Eichels instead of just one. RNH is our Reinhart. Neal actually is kind of our Skinner. Yamamoto is our Olofsson and Nurse is more similar to Ristolainen than people may realize but I'd certainly rather have Nurse (We don't have a Dahlin either!) Please replace some of the abysmal barely NHL guys in the bottom six with some real NHL talent, you'd be amazed at how much better the team would be with even average players instead of Khaira, Patrick Russell, Sheahan, Nygard taking roles.

If we were absolutely dead even, at ZERO for plus/minus at 5v5, when Drai or McDavid aren't on the ice, our goal differential would be 2nd in the West only behind Colorado. Yeah, we'd be that much better.

Agree with this, but in isolation, guys like Archibald and Khaira are not the problem. They are fine for 12mins a night from the fourth line. Both are elite on the PK, Archie can hit and cycle and for all his warts, Khaira has size to protect the puck and is fine defensively. With a decent center they'd be passable for the 8mins of EV they get and exceptional in the 4mins of PK they earn.

What you can't do is have a third line with a mix of Chaisson, Ennis, Haas, Sheahan, etc, etc and expect that line to be competitive for 16 minutes a night.

 

[KlefDown]

NUUUUUUUUGE

 

[bucks_oil]

I am fully aware of Khaira's PK numbers - however he's so nothing at 5v5, not to mention that from watching his PK shifts intently, it seemed like Nuge was the driver of the success and I do tend to feel like Nuge + a PK guy who isn't useless at 5v5 would still have similar results.

I mean, you can say that, but it's really tough to argue with the numbers. Nuge was obviously up there too, but even if you sum last year's numbers, Khaira is 11th of those with PK min > 150.

If you go back for three years, he's 5th (4.60) among those with greater than 200mins. Nuge is 144th @ 8.73.

No discredit to Nuge at all, he's a good PKer, but I don't know how you can ascribe Khaira's success to Nuge when the numbers are so variant from your position.

 

[McJadeddog]

Oilers media, except Stauffer, seem to be trying to prep everyone for if we move Bouchard.

That certainly seems to be the case doesn't it. Bouchard is a tough read. He had a good offensive 1st pro-year, and apparently took a big step defensively, but the organization still doesn't seem that high on him. I don't know what he ends up as either, could end up being a top-pairing guy, could end up being a PP-specialist/3rd pairing guy. I really have no idea. The problem is, is that he is practically our only RHS D prospect. Broberg, Samorukov, and Lagesson are all lefties. The only other D in the system with any promise at all that is a RHS is Kemp that I can think of, and he's not exactly a blue-chip guy.

If Arizona is asking for Bouchard, I'm guessing the Oilers are countering with Samorukov. Gotta hope he keeps looking really good in the KHL to drive up his stock. He has rookie of the week honors in back to back weeks in the KHL, as well as a "4th star of the week" award as well I believe, so he is doing everything you could hope for in the K right now. I doubt he keeps that up, but hey, you never know.

If Bouchard does get traded, that assures we likely keep Russel and Benning you would think.

 

[Paralyzer008]

That certainly seems to be the case doesn't it. Bouchard is a tough read. He had a good offensive 1st pro-year, and apparently took a big step defensively, but the organization still doesn't seem that high on him. I don't know what he ends up as either, could end up being a top-pairing guy, could end up being a PP-specialist/3rd pairing guy. I really have no idea. The problem is, is that he is practically our only RHS D prospect. Broberg, Samorukov, and Lagesson are all lefties. The only other D in the system with any promise at all that is a RHS is Kemp that I can think of, and he's not exactly a blue-chip guy.

If Arizona is asking for Bouchard, I'm guessing the Oilers are countering with Samorukov. Gotta hope he keeps looking really good in the KHL to drive up his stock. He has rookie of the week honors in back to back weeks in the KHL, as well as a "4th star of the week" award as well I believe, so he is doing everything you could hope for in the K right now. I doubt he keeps that up, but hey, you never know.

If Bouchard does get traded, that assures we likely keep Russel and Benning you would think.

If I had to bet, you're going to start hearing a big media push about how Caleb Jones + Philip Broberg can play the right side.

 

[oXo Cube]

Not super enthused that they're evidently open to a Bouchard trade but Broberg is seemingly untouchable.

Also if Holland doesn't get AA signed then that trade is Chiarelli levels of bad asset management just saying.

 

[Smartguy]

That certainly seems to be the case doesn't it. Bouchard is a tough read. He had a good offensive 1st pro-year, and apparently took a big step defensively, but the organization still doesn't seem that high on him. I don't know what he ends up as either, could end up being a top-pairing guy, could end up being a PP-specialist/3rd pairing guy. I really have no idea. The problem is, is that he is practically our only RHS D prospect. Broberg, Samorukov, and Lagesson are all lefties. The only other D in the system with any promise at all that is a RHS is Kemp that I can think of, and he's not exactly a blue-chip guy.

If Arizona is asking for Bouchard, I'm guessing the Oilers are countering with Samorukov. Gotta hope he keeps looking really good in the KHL to drive up his stock. He has rookie of the week honors in back to back weeks in the KHL, as well as a "4th star of the week" award as well I believe, so he is doing everything you could hope for in the K right now. I doubt he keeps that up, but hey, you never know.

If Bouchard does get traded, that assures we likely keep Russel and Benning you would think.

Agreed literally every media member has prepped us for a Bouchard trade. I don’t want it, like at all, as I put in here before I watched a tonne of AZ games this past season, and OEL was “meh” in most of them at best, with an absolute anchor of a contract.

If EDM is including Bouchard I’d hope that Kuemper is also in that deal, maybe Koskinen goes back?

 

[North]

Not super enthused that they're evidently open to a Bouchard trade but Broberg is seemingly untouchable.

Also if Holland doesn't get AA signed then that trade is Chiarelli levels of bad asset management just saying.

In a flat cap world you have to make some hard decisions regardless of the optics. If AA were to accept less they would sign him easily. Maybe they feel the money can be put towards a better player.

 

[North]

Double post

 

[North]

Triple post...wtf.

 

[Skolman]

If they trade both the 14th pick + Bouchard for OEL I'm going to lose my s***. That is a move we will regret big time. There's not many defenseman 26+ years old that I would trade that package for, off the top of my head.

-Josi
-Hedman
-Carlson

I'm probably missing a couple, but OEL definitely isn't on the list.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Not super enthused that they're evidently open to a Bouchard trade but Broberg is seemingly untouchable.

Also if Holland doesn't get AA signed then that trade is Chiarelli levels of bad asset management just saying.

Holland loves his Swedish d-men and Bouchard isn't his pick. As I said yesterday, Bouchard is everything this team has needed on D in over a decade, so yeah they would go ahead and move him. I'll lose a lot of respect for Holland if he deals him before we see what we have. I like OEL but not at the expense of Bouchard.

 

[North]

If they trade both the 14th pick + Bouchard for OEL I'm going to lose my s***. That is a move we will regret big time. There's not many defenseman 26+ years old that I would trade that package for, off the top of my head.

-Josi
-Hedman
-Carlson

I'm probably missing a couple, but OEL definitely isn't on the list.

I think Holland is smarter than Chia so I don’t think he’d make that trade for OEL.

 

[Faelko]

Not super enthused that they're evidently open to a Bouchard trade but Broberg is seemingly untouchable.

Also if Holland doesn't get AA signed then that trade is Chiarelli levels of bad asset management just saying.

Yeah it won’t be good unless that 3M goes to a legit top 6 winger.

 

[SDig14]

He overpaid for AA. Why wouldn't he do it again for OEL?

Sure, he doesn't seem as stupid as Chia, but that bar is set unbelievably low.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Anyone have a real life relationship with Holland? You can tell him to stop this nonsense before it’s too late.

 

[Kaniac]

There's no way they move Bouchard imo. Like some of you have said, he's exactly what we have been missing for such a long time.

He's at the point where we can slowly transition him to the third pairing. He could easily have a Bear type of season and trading him for an 28 year old who has been on the decline is terrible assets management.

If Arizona needs to save cash they can't be expected to be getting NHL ready prospects who were picked in the first round. We have all the leverage.

I'd say target Barrie on a one year deal if Arizona doesn't budge and let them drown in their debt.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Agreed literally every media member has prepped us for a Bouchard trade. I don’t want it, like at all, as I put in here before I watched a tonne of AZ games this past season, and OEL was “meh” in most of them at best, with an absolute anchor of a contract.

If EDM is including Bouchard I’d hope that Kuemper is also in that deal, maybe Koskinen goes back?

Possibly but Koskinen has a 10 team no trade I believe. But with how injury prone Raanta is, he might waive.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Darren Dreger called OEL talks "casual if not preliminary" on 1260, although said he's heard Arizona wanted a first round pick and a young defenseman prospect, saying "I won't say any names but, you have two D-men and you probably know"

 

[oXo Cube]

He overpaid for AA. Why wouldn't he do it again for OEL?

Sure, he doesn't seem as stupid as Chia, but that bar is set unbelievably low.

At least OEL is a high end player signed long term. Even if you pay more in assets than you should have there is something to get out of this.

From the looks of it on AA, we traded 2 2nds for a rental that didn't do anything.

 

[McDrai]

Darren Dreger called OEL talks "casual if not preliminary" on 1260, although said he's heard Arizona wanted a first round pick and a young defenseman prospect, saying "I won't say any names but, you have two D-men and you probably know"

Yeah...that's atrocious. I hope Holland isn't that stupid.

 

[McDrai]

At least OEL is a high end player signed long term. Even if you pay more in assets than you should have there is something to get out of this.

From the looks of it on AA, we traded 2 2nds for a rental that didn't do anything.

I'm sure if we were Detroit the NHL would have us give back the 2 2nds

 

[oXo Cube]

From the sounds of it, not only does Arizona want a 1st this year plus a top end defenseman prospect, but they also don't want to take back any salary at all in the trade.

There's asking a lot for one of your best players and then there's refusing to live in reality.

 

[McBooya42]

I could see Samorukov being the one moved.

He's hot right now too. Adds to his value.

 

[Aceboogie]

Like OEL, dont like that package

I would like to start seeing Oilers being rumored (or actually involved) in deals where we weren't the clear losers in a trade

Ill wait to see what the deal actually is (if there is one). But int he past Holland has not really been a good trader. And given the fact hes got Tippet in his ear likely begging for OEL, I cant imagine this will turn out well for us. But, we knew this when we hired Holland. Hired flawed GMs, get flawed results