Prospect Info: Round 4, Pick 104: Mikhail Vorobyov, C, Tolpar Ufa (MHL --> KHL)

[Ghosts Beer]

Ok i understand your point. My point is that you dont need a "grunt-work faceoff, dzone start, PK, board-battle role" anymore. Especially if the player you use for that role is very bad at it. Like Thompson or Grant. You can use a 4th line with solid all around skills to play a few minutes every game. You dont need to stop playing Couts vs the Opponent top line. Let him shut down the Opposition and let guys like Nak,Vorobyev,Raffl, Laughton play vs the 3rd line or 4th line. Other Teams have 4th lines with Speed and skill. Misha would have been ok in this role. He is a solid Pk Player. He is a good passer and can hold his own in the Dzone. Also he is young and would have gain experience. Maybe he would have been as bad as Thompson. But we would have still our draft picks and we would have known that Vorobyev isnt Nhl Material. Now we know shit and lost draft picks.

They made their evaluation on Vorobyev.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

They made their evaluation on Vorobyev.

Ok nice to have a discussion with you.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They made their evaluation on Vorobyev.

They haven't been covering themselves in glory with their evaluations. They've missed on almost all of them in the last year. You're appealing to an authority that isn't reliable.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They haven't been covering themselves in glory with their evaluations. They've missed on almost all of them in the last year. You're appealing to an authority that isn't reliable.

Have a little fun, man. It was just a two Bobs joke.

 

[deadhead]

Other Teams have 4th lines with Speed and skill.

They do? Examples please.

Usually players with speed and skill move up the food chain, and how many teams have twelve forwards with "speed and skill."

 

[Beef Invictus]

Have a little fun, man. It was just a two Bobs joke.

 

[Appleyard]

Romping today after a bit of a barren spell where played below ability level. Only watched half the game but he has been moved to 1C and is bossing.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Romping today after a bit of a barren spell where played below ability level. Only watched half the game but he has been moved to 1C and is bossing.

I am gobsmacked that this is happening. I cannot believe it.

 

[kudymen]

1+1 half-way through the third

 

[Appleyard]

He has been inconsistent so far in KHL.

Have watched like 5 games... been awesome in 2, mediocre in 2, and looked lost in the other.

But when he has been on looks a good top 6 KHL C.

 

[Appleyard]

One of the best games I have ever seen him play. Just ran play every time he was on ice.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Pimp is pimping love it

Thx Apple for your work and updates !

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Appleyard]

 

[deadhead]

6 points in 15 games in the KHL isn't that great for an "offense only" center.
That's 33 in 82 games, then discount by 0.7, or 23 points in a NHL season.

if Rubtsov put up those numbers with his defensive acumen, I'd be overjoyed, but Vorobyev has to be a dominant offensive center to make it back to the NHL unless he suddenly learns to play a physical, defensive game. Which I doubt will ever happen.

 

[Appleyard]

6 points in 15 games in the KHL isn't that great for an "offense only" center.
That's 33 in 82 games, then discount by 0.7, or 23 points in a NHL season.

if Rubtsov put up those numbers with his defensive acumen, I'd be overjoyed, but Vorobyev has to be a dominant offensive center to make it back to the NHL unless he suddenly learns to play a physical, defensive game. Which I doubt will ever happen.

He is playing PK1 for them at times tbf.

He is also like 13th in P/GP for forwards u-24 in the league.

Now, having watched half the games inconsistency has been an issue. He has looked like a KHL 1C in ~3-4 games and a mediocre 3C in the other ~3 games I have seen.

 

[deadhead]

Vorobyev was good on the PK, I think because he could use his reach in that role, hounding the puck handler at the point (Hayes is great at that), but PK is not really a test of defensive IQ for a forward.

Face it, Vorobyev is allergic to contact, and that's a problem when you're a big center with average speed. He's an excellent passer, but what else does he bring to the table? If he won't forecheck and hit anyone, well, if you want to play like a 180 lb center, you'd better skate like one as well.

Which is why I think three years in the KHL will do wonders, he'll have to improve his defense and will get the opportunity to sharpen his offense, which has to be much better given his flaws to make it in the NHL.

He has been my biggest disappointment among Flyer prospects, given his size and offensive skill package, I thought he had a chance to be a solid two way 3C.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Appleyard]

 

[BritainStix]

24 is a bit of a weird cut off point?

 

[Appleyard]

24 is a bit of a weird cut off point?

Any age is really haha.

He is 2nd amongst u-25s
He is 2nd amongst u-26s
He is 2nd amongst u-27s

KHL=OAP league.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Same as it ever was.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I guess it’s the KHL coaches’ fault, too? That’s a really bad sign.

 

[Alex91]

Ruby often injured and Voro inconsistent.

seems about right.