Line Combos: Roster/Lineup/Movement Discussions Thread

[DarkandStormy]

The Andrew Peeke Era in 2021:

He was given a higher rate of dZone starts/faceoffs over any of his teammates, wasn't the best Dman but certainly not the worst, and is now getting demoted so that Scott Harrington and David Savard can continue to get turn styled on a nightly basis. Cool, cool, cool.

 

[DarkandStormy]

I thought you wanted Kukan to play?

Ideally, Peeke and Kukan would be in the lineup and we wouldn't trot out Scott Harrington to spend most of the night floundering in his own zone. Gabriel Carlsson doesn't look good either. Neither does Del Zotto after his opening 6-7 game bender and David Savard looks like he's skating in quick sand.

 

[DJA]

Ideally, Peeke and Kukan would be in the lineup and we wouldn't trot out Scott Harrington to spend most of the night floundering in his own zone. Gabriel Carlsson doesn't look good either. Neither does Del Zotto after his opening 6-7 game bender and David Savard looks like he's skating in quick sand.

Well we're required to ice 6 D per night, so..

 

[DarkandStormy]

Well we're required to ice 6 D per night, so..

And this team seems intent on not icing the 6 best Dmen available on any given night.

 

[GoJackets1]

My ideal D is still
Z-Jones
Gavrikov-Savard
Kukan/MDZ

And while I could be convinced into putting Gavrikov with Jones, I feel like Z-Savard hasn't worked out well in the past. Without Z, Kukan should definitely be playing. I'm guessing that Harrington getting ice time is expansion draft related, but Torts saying "he's such a nice guy" bothers me. lol

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Ideally, Peeke and Kukan would be in the lineup and we wouldn't trot out Scott Harrington to spend most of the night floundering in his own zone. Gabriel Carlsson doesn't look good either. Neither does Del Zotto after his opening 6-7 game bender and David Savard looks like he's skating in quick sand.

I have zero issue with Carlsson’s play over the last couple of games.

 

[DarkandStormy]

My ideal D is still
Z-Jones
Gavrikov-Savard
Kukan/MDZ

And while I could be convinced into putting Gavrikov with Jones, I feel like Z-Savard hasn't worked out well in the past. Without Z, Kukan should definitely be playing. I'm guessing that Harrington getting ice time is expansion draft related, but Torts saying "he's such a nice guy" bothers me. lol

Peeke is better than Del Zotto.

Expansion Draft impact is 0 as Kukan already meets exposure requirements (assuming team protects Jones, Werenski, and Gavrikov + 7 forwards) unless Jarmo is planning to move one of them.

 

[Columbus Jack]

I have zero issue with Carlsson’s play over the last couple of games.

I tend to agree but the dude is hilariously slow, like slow for the AHL slow. He was also atrocious early on but improved from the 2nd period. I certainly take him over Harrington. A real shame Kukan and Peeke are on Tort's shitlist.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Just saw this.

This is just bad, what did Torts expect the rookie to just have great game after great game? It was like 2 games ago where he played great against the Preds. He's certainly hasn't "Earned Torts trust" apparently which is slang for, "not one of Tort's guys". Now we get to see Bayreuther? You cannot convince me getting even slower and less experienced is going to help this team win, Peeke was going to have some bumps but I take him over Harrington, Carlsson, Savard, MDZ ad Kukan. I'd also like to add he lit up that Blackhawk with the first real hockey hit of the year in the open ice that definitely helped spark this team in the 2nd. What a joke, just another example of over penalizing younger players. Unless Torts/management truly believes there's no hope for improvement when you're over the age of 27, I don't see the "fair treatment for all" that is so often preached.

 

[Monstershockey]

I tend to agree but the dude is hilariously slow, like slow for the AHL slow. He was also atrocious early on but improved from the 2nd period. I certainly take him over Harrington. A real shame Kukan and Peeke are on Tort's shitlist.

Yes, Carlsson is very slow, which is why he has to rely so much on his positioning, something he was doing well in Cleveland. Whether that flies in the NHL remains to be seen. It will be much harder to do here than in Cleveland.

 

[GoJackets1]

Peeke is better than Del Zotto.

Expansion Draft impact is 0 as Kukan already meets exposure requirements (assuming team protects Jones, Werenski, and Gavrikov + 7 forwards) unless Jarmo is planning to move one of them.

Well, if Harrington is playing because he's a nice guy, that's ridiculous. I read something about it being Expansion draft related but you could be right.

In a normal year, I would prefer that Peeke play 20+ minutes a night in Cleveland than 3rd pairing minutes with the CBJ. I prefer that even now, but the AHL does seem odd right now. Peeke may be our 5th-6th best defenseman, but in this weird year, he definitely would benefit simply from playing time, which he will get in abundance in Cleveland. To add, it's my opinion, but the environment surrounding CBJ doesn't seem ideal at the moment, nor is the defensive play- may be better to put Peeke in a position where he would be the main driver of the defensive play instead of having him roaming around like a headless chicken like all of our defensemen are currently doing.

Bemstrom should also be playing 18-20 minutes a night in Cleveland rather than sitting in the pressbox.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Yeah the use of the taxi squad now that the AHL has started is befuddling. It seems the perfect place for guys like Del Zotto and Gerbe, allowing Peeke and Bemstrom and Foudy (I know he's in Clevelend and likely injured) to play big minutes in the A. Even Carlsson on the taxi makes sense, because more minutes in Cleveland aren't going to benefit him as much as they will Peeke, for example.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[MoeBartoli]

Getting Max back to that level would solve a major problem on this team. It’d be almost like getting a new player in a trade......oh wait, we kinda did that already....but seriously, right now his play vs. potential play is huge issue (or potential solution) for this team.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Getting Max back to that level would solve a major problem on this team. It’d be almost like getting a new player in a trade......oh wait, we kinda did that already....but seriously, right now his play vs. potential play is huge issue (or potential solution) for this team.

Moe, when you tell people that "player playing crappy plays better" has replaced "getting a guy back from injury" as a sub for "just like a trade", they're going to lose their shit.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Waiting on Jarmo to chime in with "Max Domi playing like he is capable of playing is like a free trade deadline acquisition."

 

[CBJx614]

This team is struggling from not having to go through the Torts off-season gauntlet.

Not only for the conditioning, but with so many new faces the bonding experience needed to get the team comfortable and gel together and trust one another.

 

[majormajor]

My ideal D is still
Z-Jones
Gavrikov-Savard
Kukan/MDZ

And while I could be convinced into putting Gavrikov with Jones, I feel like Z-Savard hasn't worked out well in the past. Without Z, Kukan should definitely be playing. I'm guessing that Harrington getting ice time is expansion draft related, but Torts saying "he's such a nice guy" bothers me. lol

This is our best possible combination and I'm sticking with it.

Gavrikov-Jones
Werenski-Peeke
Kukan/MDZ-Savard

Peeke hasn't played well the last couple games but he's better than any other RH option for this role, and he should play better if he isn't getting buried in D-zone starts playing next to Harry. I know they're sending him down largely because of his age, you ask more of the younger guy because you know he can improve more. But I think he's actually a better player than Carlsson/Harry/MDZ/Kuks, and we need him this year.

 

[koteka]

This team is struggling from not having to go through the Torts off-season gauntlet.

Not only for the conditioning, but with so many new faces the bonding experience needed to get the team comfortable and gel together and trust one another.

Agreed.

Have they had a team only meeting yet? That usually happens. They clear the air, come together as a team, win games, Torts goes from being on the hot seat to being a candidate for the Jack Adams, and then they lose in the playoffs to the eventual Stanley Cup champions.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

But I think he's actually a better player than Carlsson/Harry/MDZ/Kuks, and we need him this year.

He might be but he isn't this week at this very moment.

 

[Forepar]

My trade target idea for the day is Mikael Backlund. Dominant two-way possession player who scores okay with good linemates. He's getting old and his contract isn't a great value. From my viewings he hasn't slowed down one bit he is just not getting great scoring results right now playing with Lucic and Dube. He has a full NTC but my hope would be that he can be persuaded to come to a team that would give him some great wingers and all the minutes he could handle. If he looks at the Jackets and sees some great pieces with one big problem - a Backlund-sized hole in the roster - perhaps he has the ego to want to fill that hole.

I'm not sure what the price would be from Calgary. Taking the full salary without retention might make the price minimal. They have a big shortage of natural RWs so a kid like Bemstrom or TFW would be very welcome there. I'm curious if they'd want to give Domi a shot, we'll have to send someone with some salary.



FWIW the Jackets PP has been converting very well in the meager minutes they've been set up. They've had a league average 5v4 scoring rate since Laine arrived, that's a 30% improvement. They obviously can take another step if they figure out how to get in the zone consistently.

Jones is a good fit there with Laine. I've always been intrigued by Montour but that's not a need right now.

All of this does make me wonder - is there such a player as a PP zone entry specialist?

"...is there such a player as PP zone entry specialist?"

Don't think so. The player who can get the zone entry needs to be highly talented in his own right and have enough speed/skill to back the other team off. That combination is someone like Panarin (whom we saw for 2 years here), not a specialist in the traditional sense of the word. I am not saying that Panarin is the only player, or that some mistake was made relative to his decision to decline a $12M / year offer. It's just that most of us on this board got to watch that every game for 2 seasons - and it was superb most times.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

for the internal cap people

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

for the internal cap people

So like how do they come up with that number? We literally did nothing in the offseason except internal signings. Del Zotto, the Domi contract and Koivu don't come anywhere near that number. PLD's contract is basically canceled out by Laine and Roslovic.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

So like how do they come up with that number? We literally did nothing in the offseason except internal signings. Del Zotto, the Domi contract and Koivu don't come anywhere near that number. PLD's contract is basically canceled out by Laine and Roslovic.

Buyout of Wennberg, and Laine contract is only equaled out with PLD because Winnipeg retained salary

 

[NotWendell]

So like how do they come up with that number? We literally did nothing in the offseason except internal signings. Del Zotto, the Domi contract and Koivu don't come anywhere near that number. PLD's contract is basically canceled out by Laine and Roslovic.

Bjorkstrand got paid.