Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is 10-15 games enough?

It isn't.

If I had to make a choice, I'd keep Vladdy.

Though I'd probably keep both and trade Zuccarello and then revisit possibly moving Spooner in Feb/March.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Is 10-15 games enough?

Apparently. No player has ever had a 10-15 game hot streak or a 10-15 game cold streak before...

 

[Alluckks]

8 days left until the draft
16 days until UFA begins
Potential Buyout period and likely a few trades
Then the RFA negotiations with 10 unsigned free agents
This will be a telling time for the future of the NYR org
It’s happening!
But what “it” is remains to be seen.
Not the cousin It I hope

Any hints or speculation as to whether we see any trades before the draft or at the draft involving the Rangers?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Hayes and Skjei are no brainers. Vesey I would keep because he shouldn't cost much. Spooner and Namestnikov should be shopped to gauge potential return. The rest I really don't care about.

Bigras is interesting to me for reasons I can’t articulate....

 

[wafflepadsave]

I want #10

Especially if a couple of centers go early than expected.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Especially if a couple of centers go early than expected.

For sure.

Could you Imagine getting Wahlstrom AND Boqvist?

 

[Ola]

Take Kotkaniemi at 9 and then deal up to around 15 to get Bode Wilde and 20-25 to get K’Andre Miller.

A combination of size and skill on the blueline will be hard to create for many teams, a combo of Wilde and Miller along with Skjei gives us a sick platform to build on. Add Hajak, Lindgren, Rykov, TDA and Pionk and we should have the bulk of a top blueline in place.

Kotkaniemi would be a great add. Leave him in Finland for a year. Leave the US kids in college a year. Then bring all three in for next season and let Quinn work with them on the puck moving game of his. We’d be rich on assets. Around that blueline and Kotka, Lias, Chytil, Buch, Kreids, Ziba, Vesey, Fast, Howden, our high pick of 19’ and so forth we should get back into contention and have the ability to stay up there for a really long time.

 

[TheTakedown]

Take Kotkaniemi at 9 and then deal up to around 15 to get Bode Wilde and 20-25 to get K’Andre Miller.

A combination of size and skill on the blueline will be hard to create for many teams, a combo of Wilde and Miller along with Skjei gives us a sick platform to build on. Add Hajak, Lindgren, Rykov, TDA and Pionk and we should have the bulk of a top blueline in place.

Kotkaniemi would be a great add. Leave him in Finland for a year. Leave the US kids in college a year. Then bring all three in for next season and let Quinn work with them on the puck moving game of his. We’d be rich on assets. Around that blueline and Kotka, Lias, Chytil, Buch, Kreids, Ziba, Vesey, Fast, Howden, our high pick of 19’ and so forth we should get back into contention and have the ability to stay up there for a really long time.

and then you sign Karlsson in 2019.

This team can be VERY good by that time

 

[RangerBoy]

I’ve thought EK was signing here for a while.

I don’t however expect the NYR to trade for him and if they did I’d be disappointed.

The Rangers are giving Karlsson 7 years and $12M per at the age of 29?

 

[Edge]

The Rangers are giving Karlsson 7 years and $12M per at the age of 29?

That's a concept that does not make me feel great.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Apparently. No player has ever had a 10-15 game hot streak or a 10-15 game cold streak before...

You are ignoring his lackluster production with Tampa away from Stamkos and Kuch.

 

[silverfish]

The Rangers are giving Karlsson 7 years and $12M per at the age of 29?

Hey RB, first time long time, ignoring Karlsson for a second, and jumping into UFAs as a whole.

Judging by your lack of want, for lack of a better term, to sign any UFAs, is your goal for the Rangers to just be in a perpetual rebuild? Or, is your stance on UFAs this off-season explicitly because of where the Rangers are today as an organization. I'll hang up and listen now. Thanks.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The Rangers are giving Karlsson 7 years and $12M per at the age of 29?

I wouldn’t, but I think you’re kidding yourself if you think it isn’t possible.

Many thought there was no chance Shattenkirk was coming here too.

 

[broadwayblue]

The Rangers are giving Karlsson 7 years and $12M per at the age of 29?

That's a concept that does not make me feel great.

In fairness there would only be 3 years left on the current CBA. There could be more compliance buyouts soon enough. That said, not sure NYR would want to pay him all that cash on the remaining 4 years.

 

[LeetchisGod]

That's a concept that does not make me feel great.

It shouldn't. Karlsson has had several major lower body injuries. Mobility is one of his best assets. He had a terrible year last year. There is a very good chance that his game will not age well.

 

[broadwayblue]

Hey RB, first time long time, ignoring Karlsson for a second, and jumping into UFAs as a whole.

Judging by your lack of want, for lack of a better term, to sign any UFAs, is your goal for the Rangers to just be in a perpetual rebuild? Or, is your stance on UFAs this off-season explicitly because of where the Rangers are today as an organization.

Can't speak for anyone else, buy I am adamantly opposed to signing any big UFAs this summer. Let the team learn Quinn's system next season and grow together through the ups and downs. If we're going to sign anyone this summer I'd like it to be Grabner types we can move for more picks/prospects at the deadline like we did this year. Follow that up with another big draft next June and we should have a great foundation in place. At that point I'm fine going for a big name or two, since I think 2019-2010 will be the beginning of the upswing for NYR. In a nutshell I don't see the point in wasting a year (probably 2) of high priced UFAs prime years when we won't be winning anything. No need for a perpetual rebuild...just show some patience for 1 year and get the building blocks in place first.

 

[GAGLine]

In fairness there would only be 3 years left on the current CBA. There could be more compliance buyouts soon enough. That said, not sure NYR would want to pay him all that cash on the remaining 4 years.

I doubt the Rangers would worry that much about the money after they did the same thing with Richards, but I think any team banking on there being compliance buyouts in the next CBA are setting themselves up for failure. They happened last time because the cap went down. I don't see the cap going down again.

 

[Fireonk]

Apparently. No player has ever had a 10-15 game hot streak or a 10-15 game cold streak before...

How much do you think another gm is going to give up for him after seeing him flounder away from elite talent? Too many question marks to give up a significant asset for. I don't think any team is looking at him and thinking "There is our missing puzzle piece!"

Better to see how he does in a new system, with a new coach and see if we can't raise that trade value again (or just have him stay long term.)

 

[TheTakedown]

It shouldn't. Karlsson has had several major lower body injuries. Mobility is one of his best assets. He had a terrible year last year. There is a very good chance that his game will not age well.

His "terrible year" last year had him put up 62 points and a 50.8% corsi Rating while playing on arguably a bottom 3 team.........

 

[TheTakedown]

Can't speak for anyone else, buy I am adamantly opposed to signing any big UFAs this summer. Let the team learn Quinn's system next season and grow together through the ups and downs. If we're going to sign anyone this summer I'd like it to be Grabner types we can move for more picks/prospects at the deadline like we did this year. Follow that up with another big draft next June and we should have a great foundation in place. At that point I'm fine going for a big name or two, since I think 2019-2010 will be the beginning of the upswing for NYR. In a nutshell I don't see the point in wasting a year (probably 2) of high priced UFAs prime years when we won't be winning anything. No need for a perpetual rebuild...just show some patience for 1 year and get the building blocks in place first.

This i absolutely 100% agree with

 

[LeetchisGod]

His "terrible year" last year had him put up 62 points and a 50.8% corsi Rating while playing on arguably a bottom 3 team.........

You aren't concerned about the amount of miles on his body?

 

[TheTakedown]

You aren't concerned about the amount of miles on his body?

for the first 50-60% of that contract, no, I am not.

 

[Graves94]

His "terrible year" last year had him put up 62 points and a 50.8% corsi Rating while playing on arguably a bottom 3 team.........

..while dealing with a personal tragedy and a crazy situation with a teammates gf, harassing him and especially his wife...yeah, what a bum...
I wouldn't trade for him, but as an FA, without hesitation.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It shouldn't. Karlsson has had several major lower body injuries. Mobility is one of his best assets. He had a terrible year last year. There is a very good chance that his game will not age well.

He didn’t have a terrible year. He had a bit of a slow start be he also had no camp.

His lower body injuries were a broken foot and a freak accident that happened 5 years ago.

If anything, he is the type who does age well. It’s the Staal/Orpik/Seabrooks who don’t.

 

[Fitzy]

I look around the league at contracts like Eichel, Kane, and what Marner is about to get and I anticipate a lockout soon.

8x8 for players scoring in the high 60's for points is insane. Lower budget teams arent going to be able to afford to keep more than one good player at a time.

Add a potential 7x 14 monstrosity for Tavares and I feel something coming to a head here.