Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

[silverfish]

Tkachuk sounds like a Blake Wheeler with a more physical side to his game

Wheeler is arguably a top-5 winger in the game today. I like Tkachuk, but this is a bold comparison.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Wheeler is arguably a top-5 winger in the game today. I like Tkachuk, but this is a bold comparison.

Wheeler took quite a bit to get to that level, though. I’m sure if someone suggested Wheeler potentially being a PPG in 2010 you would have been laughed at.

 

[GAGLine]

I think you guys are hoping for a bit too much for these guys on bad 1 year contracts. Not going to get any huge asset for someone who just expires at the end of this year.

If you want a prime asset to take on a bad contract it's going to be one of the multi-year cap killers.

Carolina got Teravainen for taking on 1 year of Bickell.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The best stylistic comparison I’ve seen for Wahlstrom so far is Mika Zibanejad by @Pavel Buchnevich. He’s a better shooting version of Mika with a much deadlier wrister.

If you can get a kid like Nino or Coyle out of Minnesota just by eating a bad contract, do that yesterday.

 

[silverfish]

Wheeler took quite a bit to get to that level, though. I’m sure if someone suggested Wheeler potentially being a PPG in 2010 you would have been laughed at.

This is why p/60 is important. He played all 82 games, played barely over 10 minutes per game of 5v5 time. 1.66 points/60 at even strength only behind Bergeron and Krecji on Boston that year.

Could you have guaranteed he'd be a point per game player then? No, of course not. Could you have recognized this is probably a 60 point player who isn't getting enough minutes? Perhaps.

 

[Fireonk]

Carolina got Teravainen for taking on 1 year of Bickell.

Touche. I'd imagine some teams would use that as a lesson on what not to do, but I can't argue that it hasn't happened in the past.

 

[RGY]

I love Nino. Would love to get him

 

[NYR Viper]

This is why p/60 is important. He played all 82 games, played barely over 10 minutes per game of 5v5 time. 1.66 points/60 at even strength only behind Bergeron and Krecji on Boston that year.

Could you have guaranteed he'd be a point per game player then? No, of course not. Could you have recognized this is probably a 60 point player who isn't getting enough minutes? Perhaps.

I'm speaking stylistically. Wheeler is an absolute force and has been for a long time. His reach, size, hockey IQ and vision are very unique. Tkachuk has those same strengths so while he may not be a 40g scorer, he can have a very large effect on a game.

 

[silverfish]

I'm speaking stylistically. Wheeler is an absolute force and has been for a long time. His reach, size, hockey IQ and vision are very unique. Tkachuk has those same strengths so while he may not be a 40g scorer, he can have a very large effect on a game.

Gotcha. I'm never sure when people compare prospects to established players if they're saying that this person will be that person, or just plays a similar game to this person.

Like Lias and Jesper

 

[RGY]

I think one of Zadina/Wahlstrom/Tkachuk are the guys they want and I think if one falls to 5/6 they will trade up to get them.

 

[NYR Viper]

Gotcha. I'm never sure when people compare prospects to established players if they're saying that this person will be that person, or just plays a similar game to this person.

Like Lias and Jesper

Oh my God! The worst and you have opened pandoras box!!!!