Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

[pld459666]

Does 28, the Devils 2nd and Rangers 3rd get us to 15?

 

[Edge]

I don’t know man, the Rangers and UFAs inching close to 30. It’s kind of a bad romance.

If we’re already looking at buyouts under the next CBA as our fail-safe, that’s probably pretty indicative of the inherent risk of what we’re proposing.

I really need to see how he looks next season first.

 

[pld459666]

I look around the league at contracts like Eichel, Kane, and what Marner is about to get and I anticipate a lockout soon.

8x8 for players scoring in the high 60's for points is insane. Lower budget teams arent going to be able to afford to keep more than one good player at a time.

Add a potential 7x 14 monstrosity for Tavares and I feel something coming to a head here.

There was going to be a lockout regardless

That is the go to negotiating tactic of the owners.

It's worked for them twice already. Go with what works.

 

[GAGLine]

for the first 50-60% of that contract, no, I am not.

It's the other 40-50% we should be worried about. Even if he is really good for the first 4 years, how many of those years are we going to be legit cup contenders? 1, maybe 2 if we are lucky? Getting Karlsson isn't going to suddenly make us cup contenders any more than he made Ottawa a cup contender this past year. Trading for or signing Karlsson would be a huge mistake. If you are going to make a move like that, you want his best years to coincide with our best chance to win the cup, not years where we are in the middle of a rebuild.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Karlsson is a transcendent talent. I can understand concerns with his age and injuries but to outright dismiss signing him because of the cap hit is ridiculous in my opinion. Makes me think some don’t realize just how good the guy is.

I personally think he’s going to age like fine wine and be at the least a top 10 D for virtually his whole career.

If you believe he will hold up for at least the first half of his contract then money shouldn’t be any obstacle you pay the man and get him on Broadway.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Karlsson is a transcendent talent. I can understand concerns with his age and injuries but to outright dismiss signing him because of the cap hit is ridiculous in my opinion. Makes me think some don’t realize just how good the guy is.

I personally think he’s going to age like fine wine and be at the least a top 10 D for virtually his whole career.

If you believe he will hold up for at least the first half of his contract then money shouldn’t be any obstacle you pay the man and get him on Broadway.

If anyone should be gun shy about signing high priced free agents, it's Ranger fans.

 

[RangerBoy]

I wouldn’t, but I think you’re kidding yourself if you think it isn’t possible.

Many thought there was no chance Shattenkirk was coming here too.

No chance of Shattenkirk coming here for 6-7 years at $6M-$7M.

Brooks wrote the Rangers would take Shattenkirk on a shorter term deal.

You think Karlsson as a free agent will be the same situation as Shattenkirk?

 

[Savant]

Does 28, the Devils 2nd and Rangers 3rd get us to 15?

Probably not. That's pretty bad for Florida.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Does 28, the Devils 2nd and Rangers 3rd get us to 15?

28 and both 2nds might.

Keep the picks, move zucc.

 

[Leetch3]

Hey RB, first time long time, ignoring Karlsson for a second, and jumping into UFAs as a whole.

Judging by your lack of want, for lack of a better term, to sign any UFAs, is your goal for the Rangers to just be in a perpetual rebuild? Or, is your stance on UFAs this off-season explicitly because of where the Rangers are today as an organization. I'll hang up and listen now. Thanks.

lol 'perpetual rebuild'. we aren't barely into year 1 of the rebuild. the letter was sent out 4 months ago and you act like we are the islanders rebuilding for 20 years

 

[Tawnos]

There was going to be a lockout regardless

That is the go to negotiating tactic of the owners.

It's worked for them twice already. Go with what works.

The owners are pretty happy with the current CBA and would extend it if the players were as well.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If anyone should be gun shy about signing high priced free agents, it's Ranger fans.

And I get that. I just think Karlsson is so far above any of the other past free agents.

Brad Richards, Scott Gomez, Chris Drury. Good players. Usually the best level players that change teams in free agency in the cap era. Karlsson is a generational defenseman.

I agree you have to do your due diligence towards his injuries and seeing if he’s the player he’s always been still. That’s why this year is huge for Karlsson. I think if he’s healthy then I would throw an empty bag at him.

 

[RangerBoy]

The aging curve for players at 30-31 is not kind. We are not talking about a $6M or $7M player. Nearly double that amount. $11M or $12M for 7 years. That’s crazy.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The aging curve for players at 30-31 is not kind. We are not talking about a $6M or $7M player. Nearly double that amount. $11M or $12M for 7 years. That’s crazy.

Most of the time you are correct.

History has shown that this doesn't really apply for the elite of the elite though.

 

[Edge]

Truth be told, with how rapidly the game is changing, I don’t know if we really know how well a lot of these guys are going to age.

I’ve heard people talk about how McD should age well, or Grabner should age well, or Karlsson. But I’m not sure those claims aren’t based more on hypothesis than factual evidence.

I feel it’s the next couple of years that will set the approach for how talents age in this generations game. But I’m not so sure benchmarks from 10 or even just 5 years ago are going to be accurate.

With very rare exceptions, I think you’re going to continue to see more talent really turn that corner in their age 29/30 season.

 

[NYR Viper]

This season will go a long way to determining how Karlsson will age. There are other guys I’d be interested in as UFA’s. Panarin. Seguin. Hall.

 

[GregSirico]

Here's a legit question, do we have what it takes to acquire the 10th overall from Edmonton? If so, what's that cost?

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's a legit question, do we have what it takes to acquire the 10th overall from Edmonton? If so, what's that cost?

The short answer is yes.

The longer answer is what are they looking for? Do they like Spooner or Namestnikov? Zuccarello? If yes then one of them along with a pick or two should do it. If no, then they probably be looking at both late 1st’s + maybe another 2nd/3rd rounder most likely.

I’d have to believe something like Namestnikov + TB 1st would be more intriguing than strictly picks but it’s Chiarelli...

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Here's a legit question, do we have what it takes to acquire the 10th overall from Edmonton? If so, what's that cost?

A package around Kreider most likely. They need wingers and RD.

We’re lacking in RD so wingers is the only thing we have to offer them

Pass for me

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Here's a legit question, do we have what it takes to acquire the 10th overall from Edmonton? If so, what's that cost?

Kreider is everything that they're looking for.

Would take much more than just #10 for me.

 

[GregSirico]

Kreider is everything that they're looking for.

Would take much more than just #10 for me.

Yeah no they would have to add a whole lot to that 10th.

 

[Inferno]

Yeah no they would have to add a whole lot to that 10th.

Agreed....10th puljujarvi and klefbom hehe

 

[GregSirico]

Agreed....10th puljujarvi and klefbom hehe

Honestly I'd want something better.

 

[Inferno]

Honestly I'd want something better.

That's a pretty good offer imho. I'd take it if it were on the table. Ck is going to get a massive contract in 2 yrs..

 

[GregSirico]

That's a pretty good offer imho. I'd take it if it were on the table. Ck is going to get a massive contract in 2 yrs..

He is, but I'd want something more substantial, it would have to make them hurt.