Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

[effen]

This is much better than my idea of targeting someone like Galchenyuk. I do wonder how much of his offense was suppressed under Peters and if he’d fare better as a long-term RW.

What do you think the cost would be?

Always seemed like a better board guy than a playmaker to me. You might be right long term with him on wing.

They really only need centers (and a goalie) and we're painfully short of those in the short term.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

What does anyone think about Scott Hartnell as a depth option? Say as a 12th/13th forward

Yes – BUT since it'd be an over-35 deal and he's declining, the contract needs to be a) for 1 year, 2) at an AAV that is easily bury-able, or c) both.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yes – BUT since it'd be an over-35 deal and he's declining, the contract needs to be a) for 1 year, 2) at an AAV that is easily bury-able, or c) both.

Yeah for sure a 1 year deal. Maybe $1.5m or so would be reasonable.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Deal Spooner.
Keep Namestnikov.
Try and compete next year

Deal Spooner.
Keep Namestnikov.
Continue to focus on the long term next year – and let the chips fall where they may in terms of results.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Separate deals...Zucc goes to Dallas or Florida for their 1st.

I want #10

 

[Lays]

if i was moving the chess pieces, this is what i would hope to do
sign Tyson Helgesen to ELC
Halverson to Red Wings for Giovanni Smith
DeAngelo, maybe light throw-ins such as Catenacchi pre-UFA for Marlies, Bernhardt to Leafs for Kapanen - but DeAngelo was actually drafted 3 spots ahead of Kapanen
B.Smith, 30% retained to Hawks for Anthony DuClair
Jensen, Holland, Lakatos to Habs for Brett Lernout, Jordie Benn, Mike McNiven
Belelskey($500k retained) , Klingberg, Bigras, Tambellini to Stars for Brett Richie, John Nyberg, Niklas Hansson
Zborovsky, Kampfer, pre-UFA Sproul to Vegas for Kolesar, 2 4ths
Zucarello, Pedrie, Fogarty, Sjahlin, Nanne to Wild for '18 3d, '19 1st, '20 2d, Adam Gilmour, Pavel Jenys, Dmitry Sokolov, Bryce Misley
Spooner to Lightning for Erik Cernak, Ross Colton
Namestnikov to Flames for Rasmus Andersson, Adam Ruzicka
Gilmour, Gropp, Reunan to Coyotes for Max Domi, Cam Crotty, Dean Stewart, Brendan Warren
O'Gara, pre-UFA Carey to Avalanche ro Dominic Toninato
Shattenkirk, Vesey, Adam Gilmour, Bruins '18 3d to Bruins for Jake DeBrusk, Adam McQuiad, Bruins '19 3d
Staal (30% retained), DuClair, Nieves, 2 4th's to Panthers for Alex Petrovic, Nick Bjugstad, Patrick Bajkov, Sebastian Repo, Chris Wilkie
none of it wil happen, but i can make stuff up as well as any one 8^)
(tho i am sure there will be protests by guys arguing they are so much more realistic than i)

All of the bolded are bad-awful for the other team involved. We’re trading a bunch of scrubs (Gropp, Gilmour, Reunanen) for Domi+?
Namestnikov for R. Andersson+Ruzicka? That last package alone doesn’t touch Bjustad. Only trade here that doesn’t favor us great is the Spooner for Cernak+Colton trade. Cernak is a meh prospect, very good chance he’s nothing more than a bottom pairing D, Colton is a long shot. I’d rather take a mid 2nd for Spooner and be done with it. And to the last thing you’ve said, correct because pretty much none of these are close to being realistic. They look like NHL 18 trades

 

[Lays]

This is much better than my idea of targeting someone like Galchenyuk. I do wonder how much of his offense was suppressed under Peters and if he’d fare better as a long-term RW.

What do you think the cost would be?

I don’t think we have the pieces for Lindholm. They likely want a near ready forward prospect with top 6 potential +. Or maybe a goalie prospect could be thrown in there as well but I don’t think we have what it takes. My best offer would be Georgiev+Spooner/Vladdy+26th overall. Canes don’t do that though but that’s the most I’m willing to offer

Edit-thinking about it now, a deal around Buch/Lindholm makes a lot of sense for both teams. We’d have to add a little though. It’d have to be something like Buch+Georgiev for Lindholm which I’m not willing to give up but thatd be the ask from the Canes

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

You guys are going about it all wrong. Edmonton is going to need another center/wing when they trade Draisaitl for Shea Weber, they’ll clearly want Boo Nieves

 

[ponytrekker]

All of the bolded are bad-awful for the other team involved. We’re trading a bunch of scrubs (Gropp, Gilmour, Reunanen) for Domi+?
Namestnikov for R. Andersson+Ruzicka? That last package alone doesn’t touch Bjustad. Only trade here that doesn’t favor us great is the Spooner for Cernak+Colton trade. Cernak is a meh prospect, very good chance he’s nothing more than a bottom pairing D, Colton is a long shot. I’d rather take a mid 2nd for Spooner and be done with it. And to the last thing you’ve said, correct because pretty much none of these are close to being realistic. They look like NHL 18 trades

Hi mike Yankees should trade Ellsbury for DeGrom and Syndergard. I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Trxjw]

This is much better than my idea of targeting someone like Galchenyuk. I do wonder how much of his offense was suppressed under Peters and if he’d fare better as a long-term RW.

What do you think the cost would be?

Hard to say what the direction is in Carolina, but if I had to guess, the cost would be a similar player. I.e., a younger roster player who hasn't found his game yet. A lot would hinge on whether or not he can open up his game in a new system, and if he found some players to gel with. I could see him playing very well on the wing with a guy like Andersson in the middle.

I still like Galchenyuk. There's so much talent there and getting him out of that fishbowl in Montreal could do wonders for him. I'm not sure he's a center in this league, but if the price was right, he's well worth the gamble IMO. Hell, Galchenyuk, Andersson, and Lindholm might make a heck of a line.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I want #10

Spooner and 26 for 10.

 

[GregSirico]

Eklund is so fake he should do the sports updates on CNN

LMFAO!!!

 

[Zibanejbread]

Spooner and 26 for 10.

I do that deal yesterday, but I highly doubt EDM does it... although, you never know with Chia.

 

[effen]

I do that deal yesterday, but I highly doubt EDM does it... although, you never know with Chia.

If he's as stupid as everyone likes to poke at we're wasting time making trade proposals on the internet when we could be walking up to him and getting him to sign over his house and retirement accounts for a pack of gum.

 

[Zibanejbread]

If he's as stupid as everyone likes to poke at we're wasting time making trade proposals on the internet when we could be walking up to him and getting him to sign over his house and retirement accounts for a pack of gum.

...we don't have AV anymore though.

 

[noupf]

i dont understand why there is so much love to keep Namestikov and deal spooner. From the 10-15 games i watched spooner, his passing and play making skills were quite noticable and quite good. Namestnikov was absolutely worthless in my opinion. Vlad was nothing short of a by-product of playing wth stamkos and kucherov......a'la Kyle Okposo, Matt Molson, PA Parentau and so on......playing with Tavres. All flopped the day they left the isalnders and didnt have JT as their center.

 

[Fireonk]

i dont understand why there is so much love to keep Namestikov and deal spooner. From the 10-15 games i watched spooner, his passing and play making skills were quite noticable and quite good. Namestnikov was absolutely worthless in my opinion. Vlad was nothing short of a by-product of playing wth stamkos and kucherov......a'la Kyle Okposo, Matt Molson, PA Parentau and so on......playing with Tavres. All flopped the day they left the isalnders and didnt have JT as their center.

Well I imagine part of it is because Spooner played well during his tenure as a Ranger. We can still sell somewhat high on Spooner.

Namestnikov tanked his value in the short term so it is probably worth seeing if he regains some of it instead of selling low now.

 

[LeetchisGod]

i dont understand why there is so much love to keep Namestikov and deal spooner. From the 10-15 games i watched spooner, his passing and play making skills were quite noticable and quite good. Namestnikov was absolutely worthless in my opinion. Vlad was nothing short of a by-product of playing wth stamkos and kucherov......a'la Kyle Okposo, Matt Molson, PA Parentau and so on......playing with Tavres. All flopped the day they left the isalnders and didnt have JT as their center.

I don't either. I would trade both to be honest.

 

[Pizza]

I want #10

Agreed.

Stand pat and let a great pick fall to us @ #9OA, which seems more and more likely.

Then use assets saved by not trading up on a deal for #10OA...

...and failing that on #13OA, then #15OA.

Gonna be the best draft so far in my lifetime....at least the most entertaining.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah I would be far more interested in trying to acquire the #15 or #13 than moving up from #9

 

[Lion Hound]

10 Potential new contracts for these lads below. I'm very curious to see how this plays out. Rangers have so much room, im concerned on how much they will end up paying for the below players. Lots of talk to trade Spooner or Vladdy, but is that realistic?

RESTRICTED
Kevin Hayes
Ryan Spooner
Vlad Namestnikov
Jimmy Vesey
Boo Nieves
Adam Tambellini


Brady Skjei
Rob O’Gara
Chris Bigras
John Gilmour

 

[LeetchisGod]

10 Potential new contracts for these lads below. I'm very curious to see how this plays out. Rangers have so much room, im concerned on how much they will end up paying for the below players. Lots of talk to trade Spooner or Vladdy, but is that realistic?

RESTRICTED
Kevin Hayes
Ryan Spooner
Vlad Namestnikov
Jimmy Vesey
Boo Nieves
Adam Tambellini


Brady Skjei
Rob O’Gara
Chris Bigras
John Gilmour

Hayes and Skjei are no brainers. Vesey I would keep because he shouldn't cost much. Spooner and Namestnikov should be shopped to gauge potential return. The rest I really don't care about.

 

[bobbop]

Spooner and 26 for 10.

While I don’t think this deal would fly, don’t lose sight of the fact that Chiarelli drafted Spooner.

 

[silverfish]

i dont understand why there is so much love to keep Namestikov and deal spooner. From the 10-15 games i watched spooner, his passing and play making skills were quite noticable and quite good. Namestnikov was absolutely worthless in my opinion. Vlad was nothing short of a by-product of playing wth stamkos and kucherov......a'la Kyle Okposo, Matt Molson, PA Parentau and so on......playing with Tavres. All flopped the day they left the isalnders and didnt have JT as their center.

Is 10-15 games enough?

 

[BBKers]

8 days left until the draft
16 days until UFA begins
Potential Buyout period and likely a few trades
Then the RFA negotiations with 10 unsigned free agents
This will be a telling time for the future of the NYR org
It’s happening!
But what “it” is remains to be seen.
Not the cousin It I hope