Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXII: Stepping up in a Perfect Storm?

[Harbour Dog]

Venture over to their board and you’ll see people saying they would maybe accept Kakko, Fox, Chytil and multiple 1sts

That or them discussing how they don’t want Lafreniere because he’ll be a bust like Yakupov

Oh, I know, I had a good long check of the Eichel thread yesterday. If some guys don't want him because he's "already a bust", then that's fine; they weren't getting him anyway.

The return for Eichel in the current economic climate, is not going to be flattering to some of the proposals I've seen. They're better off firing Krueger yesterday and hiring one of the big three guys that are currently sitting.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I can't be the only one who almost still questioned Zibanejad's maybe wasn't a 1st liner?

 

[Salvage21]

Way too much to factor on any eichel deal. The Rangers aren’t going to include laf, kakko, or fox. If they HAVe to chytil then theyre going to have to line up another trade(zib?) to acquire a high upside, cost controlled center to play behind eichel.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Wtf

This is day no 9 for Kakko. He cannot be cleared until after 10 days

Players are either on the list for 72 hours due to a false positive or a minimum of 10 days due to positive testing or close contact with someone who tested positive.

 

[Kupo]

What does that have to do with anything

are you insinuating Strome is only one point worse than Eichel?

Yes. That’s clearly what I was doing.

 

[Woncka]

Buffalo isn’t getting anything close to that back for Eichel lol

If that’s the type of offer they’re expecting, they better be okay with waiting cause it won’t be coming from the Rangers

Why wont they get that back, exactly? Besides the Rangers saying no thanks (which they should anyway, they literally cant afford Eichel cap-wise unless you let Mika go)

 

[Woncka]

Yes. That’s clearly what I was doing.

Not sure there was anything clear about your post other than trying to make Eichel seem like a nobody

 

[aufheben]

Doesn’t have to be exact but what are some examples of trade returns for relatively young first-line/elite forwards?

Hall? Adam Larsson lol
O’Reilly? Literally nothing
Carter? Voracek + 1st then Jack Johnson + 1st

 

[NYSPORTS]

Not a chance in hell I do this

blank them

 

[duhmetreE]

TSN Released its Trade Board. No EICHEL?

Ill take a #9 for #3 though.

Trade Bait: David Savard among defencemen dominating first board of the season - TSN.ca

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If we actually made a run, Savard would be amazing

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Why wont they get that back, exactly? Besides the Rangers saying no thanks (which they should anyway, they literally cant afford Eichel cap-wise unless you let Mika go)

It’s pretty simple, historically the return in these types of trades never live up to what fans expect. Go back and look at players traded in a similar situation, it’s either quantity or quality, not both.

Plus add on his massive contract that needs to be managed and it’s not going to be a return that blows fans away.

I don’t expect a team to steal Eichel away, but Buffalo fans are expecting highway robbery in return and it’s not going to happen

 

[Kupo]

Not sure there was anything clear about your post other than trying to make Eichel seem like a nobody

How’d you come to that mind blowing conclusion?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Doesn’t have to be exact but what are some examples of trade returns for relatively young first-line/elite forwards?

Hall? Adam Larsson lol
O’Reilly? Literally nothing
Carter? Voracek + 1st then Jack Johnson + 1st

Nash, Kessel, Seguin were ones I thought of last night. Good players going in exchange but nothing earth shattering by any means

 

[Woncka]

Doesn’t have to be exact but what are some examples of trade returns for relatively young first-line/elite forwards?

Hall? Adam Larsson lol
O’Reilly? Literally nothing
Carter? Voracek + 1st then Jack Johnson + 1st

Johansen got Seth Jones, a recent top-3 pick then, for a guy who had a SINGLE good season

plus the guys you listed were nowhere near Eichel in skill and age

Do I think the Rangers get him? No because of the money. But if they did its including Fox one way or another, and Id assume Kakko is tied to him so they can keep their 1st in case they win the lotto again

you cant get Eichel without Fox, it just cant happen. Kakko hasnt proven anywhere near enough to be the center piece

 

[NYR]

Bucigross lost his damn mind.
Eichel can stay where he is..

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Why is a Devil fan in this thread lecturing Ranger fans?

Inferiority complex

 

[Harbour Dog]

Kakko hasnt proven anywhere near enough to be the center piece

If Buffalo believes this, then Kakko will not be included in the deal.

He isn't a throw-in, he's a centrepiece.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Johansen got Seth Jones, a recent top-3 pick then, for a guy who had a SINGLE good season

plus the guys you listed were nowhere near Eichel in skill and age

Do I think the Rangers get him? No because of the money. But if they did its including Fox one way or another, and Id assume Kakko is tied to him so they can keep their 1st in case they win the lotto again

you cant get Eichel without Fox, it just cant happen. Kakko hasnt proven anywhere near enough to be the center piece

Fox isn't getting traded. He's our #1D and he basically forced his way here.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Kakko was a 2nd overall pick like 20 months ago, and is already playing like the third best forward on the team. I would DEFINITELY give up our first, unprotected, in place of him, given the option.

 

[Woncka]

If Buffalo believes this, then Kakko will not be included in the deal.

He isn't a throw-in, he's a centrepiece.

I dont think NY should even inquire. Theyd put themselves in cap hell

but from Buffalos perspective, Kakko cant be the centerpiece or they may as well fold

 

[Kupo]

Johansen got Seth Jones, a recent top-3 pick then, for a guy who had a SINGLE good season

plus the guys you listed were nowhere near Eichel in skill and age

Do I think the Rangers get him? No because of the money. But if they did its including Fox one way or another, and Id assume Kakko is tied to him so they can keep their 1st in case they win the lotto again

you cant get Eichel without Fox, it just cant happen. Kakko hasnt proven anywhere near enough to be the center piece

Fox goes nowhere.

 

[Woncka]

Fox goes nowhere.

As someone said, Fox chose to come to NY anyway so its a crap shoot

Eichels contract would be the problem anyhow. Rangers would lose Zibanejad unless he took a huge discount, with having to pay guys like Kakko Fox Lafreniere etc.. in the years to come

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I dont think NY should even inquire. Theyd put themselves in cap hell

but from Buffalos perspective, Kakko cant be the centerpiece or they may as well fold

Second overall pick not even 2 years ago cant be a center piece. Ok bud
Rangers shouldnt do Kakko for Eichel either

 

[aufheben]

Johansen got Seth Jones, a recent top-3 pick then, for a guy who had a SINGLE good season

plus the guys you listed were nowhere near Eichel in skill and age

Do I think the Rangers get him? No because of the money. But if they did its including Fox one way or another, and Id assume Kakko is tied to him so they can keep their 1st in case they win the lotto again

you cant get Eichel without Fox, it just cant happen. Kakko hasnt proven anywhere near enough to be the center piece

Did you read the words “not exact” and “relatively young”?

 

[Harbour Dog]

I dont think NY should even inquire. Theyd put themselves in cap hell

but from Buffalos perspective, Kakko cant be the centerpiece or they may as well fold

That's fair. And if that's the case, then they would probably need to find a deal without Lafreniere or Kakko, because the Rangers just aren't going to do that.

 

[aufheben]

Fox isn't getting traded. He's our #1D and he basically forced his way here.

Yeah it’s not like we have Weber/Josi/Eckholm/Ellis ahead of Fox.