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To me it’s the opposite
Staal is still very much an NhL player
Agree to disagree.
To me it’s the opposite
Staal is still very much an NhL player
Your giving yourself the room to either keep Kreider at the beginning of the season if a market offer hasn’t come in yet or have the flexibility to make a trade and bring salary in now or during the course of the season (things pop up, you want to be able to be in these things. That’s what Gorton said has been the biggest thing about having flexibility and assets teams value)
And your saving yourself a headache
(You really think shattenkirk wants what’s probably coming, im sure he wants to believe he’ll bounce back and everything will be different come January, but seriously in the back of his head, if the writing on the walls plays out, do you really think he wants to endure that)
And your giving yourself roster flexibility.
Heck right now the rangers are at 48 contracts and can’t sign anyone bc they obviously need a couple open contract spots if they want to sign even one more guy and still be able to make a trade where the rangers receive 2 players in return for one
Remember when claussen wasn’t tendered and a couple of us said it’s bc they want to have more contracts slots in the 50
first as much as we want him gone. i don't see the team in a rush to move him and force fox into the lineup. we still don't know if fox needs time in hartford...so then who plays if you buy him out and that happens? I guess smith?
that said you make a good point about the dead space being the same whether he's on the team or not...but I think it comes down to what interest is there in him around the league...I'm hoping that he becomes tradeable at 50% with only 1 year left instead of 2.
The thing with Staal. He’s not great, but he isn’t bad enough to bu6 him out this offseason. It isn’t worth the cap implicationsAgree to disagree.
I don’t agree to disagreeAgree to disagree.
The thing with Staal. He’s not great, but he isn’t bad enough to bu6 him out this offseason. It isn’t worth the cap implications
The thing with Staal. He’s not great, but he isn’t bad enough to bu6 him out this offseason. It isn’t worth the cap implications
I think as Machinehead was getting at with his rant about the salary capYes, if we "spend" that cap space to keep Kreider until the deadline, that money frees up for next year. If we trade Kreider and still end up close to the cap, it will be a lot tighter next season.
I think as Machinehead was getting at with his rant about the salary cap
I think the days of the rangers not being up against the cap and working the cap was over the minute they signed panarin/are working towards an 8yr 60mil contract for trouba.
We’re-a cap ceiling maneuvering team once again.
Shattenkirk’s contract is gonna hurt us next year either way. The idea that we should keep him right now bc it’s gonna hurt year if we don’t.
I’m sitting here saying IMO, shattenkirk’s salary is dead money in 20-21 no matter you do with him.
Get the cap space now and let’s erase this destined new whipping boy of the classic rangerland toxic debate/watch/playout vein.
Before it grows any further. Better for everyone
He came with that bum knee. That’s partially why I think all’s fair game now. He had a partially torn meniscus that he didn’t disclose, he just damaged it to the point the rangers staff picked it up.In fairness to Shattenkirk, he played very well to begin his first season, got hurt, attempted to play through and looked bad and then was out. He came back last year and was clearly not the same player after not being able to train totally all summer and as the year progressed, he got better. I"m not expecting 1st pairing number but 40 points for Shattenkirk should be well within reach for him.
Staal and Smith, not so much
If the guy is in Hartford or sits in the press box, is he not both dead money and a dead roster spot and contract slot to bootI would rather give away Names or Kreider at this point than have dead money on the books.
In fairness to Shattenkirk, he played very well to begin his first season, got hurt, attempted to play through and looked bad and then was out. He came back last year and was clearly not the same player after not being able to train totally all summer and as the year progressed, he got better. I"m not expecting 1st pairing number but 40 points for Shattenkirk should be well within reach for him.
Staal and Smith, not so much
I would rather give away Names or Kreider at this point than have dead money on the books.
Yes. However, unless you think that, say, benching Staal, is such a deleterious move to this year's team, and that this year's team simply can't have that, then I would rather wait until next year.If the guy is in Hartford or sits in the press box, is he not both dead money and a dead roster spot and contract slot to boot
The problem Shattenkirk has with this group is that he can't kill penalties. I'd be surprised if an NHL coach would field a lineup with Shattenkirk, DeAngelo, and Fox all in it until Fox is a more established NHL level player. You need at least 4 of 6 of your defensemen to skate a regular PK shift.
Take that to its logical conclusion and if Shattenkirk is in the lineup it's probably at the expense of one of the others. That said, you could make the same case for Marc Staal regarding Hajek, Rykov, and Lindgren.
I don't think any of us are too interested in seeing DeAngelo as the #7 in the press box.
I think staal is tradeable the day he agrees to one. That’s what I’ve heard carp allude to over and over. They would retain on him and it’s probably a next summer thing. But they feel/know how the staal situation is gonna play out.The problem Shattenkirk has with this group is that he can't kill penalties. I'd be surprised if an NHL coach would field a lineup with Shattenkirk, DeAngelo, and Fox all in it until Fox is a more established NHL level player. You need at least 4 of 6 of your defensemen to skate a regular PK shift.
Take that to its logical conclusion and if Shattenkirk is in the lineup it's probably at the expense of one of the others. That said, you could make the same case for Marc Staal regarding Hajek, Rykov, and Lindgren.
I don't think any of us are too interested in seeing DeAngelo as the #7 in the press box.
I really think having DeAngleo and Shattenkirk start the season in the NHL with one of Rykov of Hajek as the other RD makes sense. Fox to the AHL to start. Although in fairness, I'm not sure what conversations were had with him when they signed him
After his July 1 bonus next season, he's owed $2 million in salary for the season. That's where his value in a trade increases.I think people are so off base with the shattenkirk buyout. I guess I just boil things down to the nuts and bolts of thing.
Shattenkirk’s number next year blows no matter what. Buyout him this year, buyout next year, or keep him next year. Either way your still on the hook for 6m.
If you really think he’s gonna increase his value to point the rangers want to keep him instead of buying him out or that the rangers can trade him. I guess that’s where we differ. I don’t see that happening, I see it getting worse and it being more and more of a draining/buzzkill factor that doesn’t need to be there.
Not staalYes. However, unless you think that, say, benching Staal, is such a deleterious move to this year's team, and that this year's team simply can't have that, then I would rather wait until next year.
I don't get this thought process. Staal, Shatty and Smith are essentially dead cap while on the roster. The extra years in which we pay a penalty aren't that bad for any of them, and they would all run out at the same time as Girardi's penalties.
Obviously we would prefer to trade them, but that may not be an option.
Namestnikov may be overpaid a bit but he's a very good "glue" player for a lineup that's undergoing a lot of change and has a lot of youth. I think Edge mentioned that the Rangers see him as a possible good veteran to hold onto if they can make it work.
That said, if you need to try him for cap space then you do what you do...
He also only has this year remaining on his contract, I think if there's a team with the cap space you wouldn't have to retain much if anything. We're not talking a long term contract that a team needs to be worried about in the future