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[Shady Machine]

And bank cap space to hold out for better than guys like DD. 3 mil in space now becomes get whomever we want as the season goes on.

Do you really think it'll be that difficult to trade for a decent 3C if injuries require a move at some point?

If injuries require a move? I'd say the current roster requires a move. Anyway, I suppose it depends on your definition of decent 3C.

 

[mpp9]

If injuries require a move? I'd say the current roster requires a move. Anyway, I suppose it depends on your definition of decent 3C.

I think we can survive the start of the season with a waiver pick up or slotting a guy to center. I don't think JRs gonna use the start of the season as a hard date to acquire his center. This time of year there's rarely trades. If it does happen, it's because we're out on his Plan A and B.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I wouldn't actually mind if the Penguins were to go into camp without adding another center and instead trying one of Blueger, Johnson or Dea in the 3C spot. Who knows, maybe they strike gold with one of those young guys? I could also see them planning on McKegg being on the team, he did play in like 45 games in the NHL last season, but I'd be rather unhappy with that because he had 7 points in those games.

 

[Riptide]

And bank cap space to hold out for better than guys like DD. 3 mil in space now becomes get whomever we want as the season goes on.

Do you really think it'll be that difficult to trade for a decent 3C if injuries require a move at some point?

Ask Edmonton. They were looking for one for several years. I think depending on what sort of center we're looking for, that finding one or finding one we're willing to deal the required assets for will be harder then some think.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I wouldn't actually mind if the Penguins were to go into camp without adding another center and instead trying one of Blueger, Johnson or Dea in the 3C spot. Who knows, maybe they strike gold with one of those young guys? I could also see them planning on McKegg being on the team, he did play in like 45 games in the NHL last season, but I'd be rather unhappy with that because he had 7 points in those games.

This is exactly where I'm at. If JR can find a 3C before the start of the season, great. But if not, why not see what we have internally first before jumping off a cliff?

Maybe Blueger impresses in camp. Maybe McKegg shows some of that scoring touch he had in junior. Maybe someone completely off the radar has a monster camp. Either way, why not see what we already have first?

I think people have this notion that if we start the year with some combination of Blueger/Rowney/McKegg in the bottom six, it'll derail the season, and ignore that JR can always make a trade until March to address the issue if those guys aren't cutting it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is exactly where I'm at. If JR can find a 3C before the start of the season, great. But if not, why not see what we have internally first before jumping off a cliff?

Maybe Blueger impresses in camp. Maybe McKegg shows some of that scoring touch he had in junior. Maybe someone completely off the radar has a monster camp. Either way, why not see what we already have first?

I think people have this notion that if we start the year with some combination of Blueger/Rowney/McKegg in the bottom six, it'll derail the season, and ignore that JR can always make a trade until March to address the issue if those guys aren't cutting it.

Yeah, the Penguins have McKegg, Simon, Dea, Blueger, Johnson, DiPauli and Aston-Reese who could potentially step into the NHL as a center (guys who either played center in college or played center in the AHL). Why not see if one of them can fill a spot when you have the opportunity to see if they can? Even if you assume each only has like a 5% chance of being able to be a NHL caliber 3C today, you're still at a 35% chance that one of those 7 guys pans out. It's still unlikely, but it's at least possible.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think we can survive the start of the season with a waiver pick up or slotting a guy to center. I don't think JRs gonna use the start of the season as a hard date to acquire his center. This time of year there's rarely trades. If it does happen, it's because we're out on his Plan A and B.

So basically acquire a player like Desharnais who is going to cost like 250k less and has most likely never put up 30 - 40pts in the NHL.

Cool.

 

[Gurglesons]

First, it was mainly tongue-in-cheek.

Second, it's not vitriol. It's the fact Desharnais doesn't solve the issues we face currently with regards to the 3C spot. More than actual offense (though that helps), the Pens need guys who can play well defensively and do a lot of the heavy lifting on the PK. Desharnais doesn't solve that.

Third, Desharnais would be taking up cap space that could be used by JR to find someone who can actually fill all the needs of the 3C.

Nobody is saying Desharnais solves that. We were going to sign Cullen according to everyone in here so he would've cost more than Desharnais.

Also, interesting how we trust Rutherford's every word and ignore it when we want. He said we can teach people to PK and take faceoffs.

Ultimately, signing a player like Desharnais is exactly what is going to happen if we acquire a center before the first game of the season.

Or we are going to make an outlandish trade for a player like Duchene and I'll put my foot in my mouth and buy a Doosh jersey.

 

[Gurglesons]

And bank cap space to hold out for better than guys like DD. 3 mil in space now becomes get whomever we want as the season goes on.

Do you really think it'll be that difficult to trade for a decent 3C if injuries require a move at some point?

Of DD's quality? No, I don't consider him a 3C though.

Of Bonino or even Cullen's caliber, yes I think at the very least you are moving a 2nd and Wilson. Likely someone better if they are what Bonino was when he got here.

 

[BlackAndGold87]

5. Antoine Vermette, Anaheim
4. Carl Soderberg, Colorado
3. Ryan Spooner, Boston
2. Erik Haula, Las Vagus
1. Nick Bjugstad, Florida

 

[Empoleon8771]

What is PGHHockeyNow and why are you posting their tweets here?

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Uhhhhh. Idiots.

http://pittsburghhockeynow.com/penguins-trade-bait-daniel-sprong/

Sprong suffered a hip injury playing with the “Black Aces” practice squad during the 2016 Stanley Cup Final and missed most of last season while recovering from surgery.

 

[mpp9]

Ask Edmonton. They were looking for one for several years. I think depending on what sort of center we're looking for, that finding one or finding one we're willing to deal the required assets for will be harder then some think.

JR has stated he can trade for a couple guys right now. The ability to make a move isn't a problem. I'd rather watch Wilson of Guentzel at center than blow our cap space on a guy who's no better than Cullen or Bonino.

 

[madinsomniac]

A.) Sullivan really seems to like Rowney, so barring him being moved, injured, or outright sucking beyond belief, we should expect him as the 4c now that cullen is out of the picture..

As for 3C take the best guy in camp and give him 10 to 12 games to see if he works... if not use the next best guy down in the ahl for 10 to 12... if that doesn't work and another option is showing itself in the system try that, by then you have enough cap space to pick up a legit 3c and hopefully some of the young guys have increasedtheir value enough to be worth a midseason deal...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Nobody is saying Desharnais solves that. We were going to sign Cullen according to everyone in here so he would've cost more than Desharnais.

Cullen actually fills a need. He literally ticks all the boxes that this team needs out of its bottom six centers. So I'm not sure what your point is above, since Cullen is exactly what this team needs its 3C/4C to be and Desharnais is not.

Ultimately, signing a player like Desharnais is exactly what is going to happen if we acquire a center before the first game of the season.

No, because whoever is signed will likely actually be counted on to play defensively and on the PK. I don't know why you keep ignoring that part whenever you bring up Desharnais. Are you under the illusion that Desharnais good defensively?

 

[BlackAndGold87]

What is PGHHockeyNow and why are you posting their tweets here?

Dan Kingerski, a analyst from CBS wrote the article using his sources.

Thought it was interesting. The names on the list makes sense, reason why I posted.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Dan Kingerski, a analyst from CBS wrote the article using his sources.

Thought it was interesting. The names on the list makes sense, reason why I posted.

Oh so it's complete horse **** then? Good to know.

 

[madinsomniac]

5. Antoine Vermette, Anaheim
4. Carl Soderberg, Colorado
3. Ryan Spooner, Boston
2. Erik Haula, Las Vagus
1. Nick Bjugstad, Florida

Spooner is probably the hard pass... i mean potential is there, but he is a PP specialist and fairly raw on faceoffs... and not close to a defensive guy... he is set at2.85 mil this year too... not worth the assets imo

 

[billybudd]

I'd laugh about Bjugstad's name being on that list, but nothing Florida's done in the last 24 months has made any sense to me, so I can't discount the possiblity of them moving him out of hand.

 

[PensPlz]

Spooner would have been a great 4 C. Not a 3rd C.

 

[Zen Arcade]

I see Farnham got a PTO with the Rangers.

Good heavens!

I hope they broke the news gently to Wayne van Scoy.

 

[Gurglesons]

Spooner would have been a great 4 C. Not a 3rd C.

I mean this isn't necessarily true.

If you bring in a player as a 3C that is more offensively inclined you can use Crosby as your defensive center and let Malkin be the offense oriented center.

 

[madinsomniac]

I'd laugh about Bjugstad's name being on that list, but nothing Florida's done in the last 24 months has made any sense to me, so I can't discount the possiblity of them moving him out of hand.

There are whispers he is going to be made available if he doesn't put it together by midseason... that seems to be a lot of fantakes at least... id actually approve of that reclamation project.. 24, 6'6", fast, showed talent in the past... ok at the faceoffs and not atrocious at giveaways... there is stuff to work with there

 

[madinsomniac]

Also Bjugstad has looked good in limited playoff games... scoring and defensively iirc

 

[BlackAndGold87]

Oh so it's complete horse **** then? Good to know.

We have no idea if it is or not.