predfan24
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Maybe Josi will develop an allergic skin reaction to his shoulder pads say around 2026/2027.
This time Poile was thinking beyond his probable tenure.Yes, the main goal should be to prolong being contenders for as long as you can. Luckily Poile is right more often than not and is one of the better long term thinkers in the league.
Yes, the main goal should be to prolong being contenders for as long as you can. Luckily Poile is right more often than not and is one of the better long term thinkers in the league.
I can't disagree more with this. Sports is cyclical. If you always remain competitive, you are never going to win big.
Chicago.
LA.
Boston.
Detroit.
New Jersey.
New York.
Pittsburgh.
Colorado
These are all cautionary tales of what happens when you compete for a long time and how some of these had a rebirth after sucking for years.
If we don't win in a couple of years with the current core, we don't have the right core. Blow it up. Rebuild. Stock top pics and start the youth movement.
That's sports.
I think you can continue to be a contender while retooling or replacing aging talent with youth. It's rare and it doesn't last forever, but some teams have made it work for a quite while.
Take a look at Boston and Detroit on your list.
Detroit made the playoffs for 25 straight years, and even though it looked pretty bad towards the end of that, they went through several cycles while still contending thanks to great drafting, hoarding the best UFAs before the cap era and some shrewd moves.
Boston, they missed the playoffs twice since '08, but in the years they missed they made some smart move and ended up with 5 firsts in 2 years while keeping their core. They drafted and developed prospects well enough to move out some unnecessary pieces to get younger.
That's what I mean when I say we should be contenders for as long as we can, that doesn't mean trade off our best prospects or 1sts for a shot we don't have like Detroit did in the final years of their streak. We just have to know when the right time to move our current core guys.
Ellis looked awful this year, now he's leading the team in scoring. We trade Bonino and Ellis instead of Subban and suddenly we lost our leading scorer and point getter while keeping an asset who's stock is falling.
I see what you are getting at, but Detroit is currently footing that 25 year bill. As you pointed out, Detroit was able to do a lot of that before the cap era. It's different now. The Chicago's and LA's of the league are a lot closer to a comparable than the Wings.
Boston is going to be footing their's soon enough.
If you want to look at team's on the upswing of their cycle, Carolina and Toronto come to mind.
The way to a win a cup, as far as I can tell, over the last 8 years boils down to 4 things:
3-4 Super stars
1 goalie who can make big stops at critical times
2-3 quality players
Competent bums
I'm just not sure outside of Josi, Nashville has number 1 and 2 on that list checked off.
Again, I'm not saying pull the plug and tank today. I'm saying that in 3 years if the current core doesn't get it done, it's better to trade the assets before they don't have value (like the Rangers have done) then let them go stale and are untradeable.
I also just need to say, outside of Dante, what Preds prospect has recently made the NHL? I honestly can't name one. Saros, Sissons etc have been playing up here for a while. Our prospect pool is not as deep or talented as we think.
I can't disagree more with this. Sports is cyclical. If you always remain competitive, you are never going to win big.
Chicago.
LA.
Boston.
Detroit.
New Jersey.
New York.
Pittsburgh.
Colorado
These are all cautionary tales of what happens when you compete for a long time and how some of these had a rebirth after sucking for years.
If we don't win in a couple of years with the current core, we don't have the right core. Blow it up. Rebuild. Stock top pics and start the youth movement.
That's sports.
I see what you are getting at, but Detroit is currently footing that 25 year bill. As you pointed out, Detroit was able to do a lot of that before the cap era. It's different now. The Chicago's and LA's of the league are a lot closer to a comparable than the Wings.
Boston is going to be footing their's soon enough.
If you want to look at team's on the upswing of their cycle, Carolina and Toronto come to mind.
The way to a win a cup, as far as I can tell, over the last 8 years boils down to 4 things:
3-4 Super stars
1 goalie who can make big stops at critical times
2-3 quality players
Competent bums
I'm just not sure outside of Josi, Nashville has number 1 and 2 on that list checked off.
Again, I'm not saying pull the plug and tank today. I'm saying that in 3 years if the current core doesn't get it done, it's better to trade the assets before they don't have value (like the Rangers have done) then let them go stale and are untradeable.
I also just need to say, outside of Dante, what Preds prospect has recently made the NHL? I honestly can't name one. Saros, Sissons etc have been playing up here for a while. Our prospect pool is not as deep or talented as we think.
St. Louis?
This is patently untrue.St. Louis was terrible for years... basically from the early 2000s until 2015 they were either bottom feeders or playoff fodder.
They had 10 first round picks from 2006 to 2014, most of which are still with the team and most came when they didn't make the playoffs.
Look, I'm not saying blow it up now, but I find it hard not to objectively look at it and say it is better to get ahead of the diminishing returns than behind it.
Solid arguement but I think the problem will be if none of Tolvanen, Trenin, Pitlick and Mishmash are all misses, which looks like it's more likely than all of them making it. I bet at most 2 of those are borderline NHL players in 3 years.I don't get the gripe about our prospects. We've traded away a lot of our picks and prospects, but if you look at our drafts we've actually done quite well with our early draft picks all things considered.
2019 draft- Too soon to tell, but good early returns
2018 draft- 1st round pick traded for Hartman, 2nd round pick included in Turris trade, 3rd round pick traded for a pick in 2019 that was then traded for a pick in 2020.
2017 draft- Tolvanen is still a very solid prospect. Mismash could be a depth player. Farrance looks to be a miss
2016 draft- Fabbro and Girard are both solid NHLers already. Pitlick looks like he could be NHL ready in the near future.
2015 draft- Traded in Franson deal. Trenin seems to be developing into a bottom 6 player. Novak probably won't make NHL
2014 draft- Fiala while underwhelming still contributed for us. Kamenev moved for Turris. Dougherty and Kirkland didn't make it. Snagged Arvidsson in the fourth round.
2013 draft- Seth Jones is Norris caliber just not for us. 2nd round included in Andrei Kostitsyn trade. Ismael Diaby didn't make it. Saros in the fourth round.
That gives us a good portion of our current lineup either drafted or acquired using players from these drafts with Johansen, Arvidsson, Turris, Fabbro, Granlund, and Saros. Also, our top 3 offensive prospects in the AHL with Tolvanen, Pitlick, and Trenin. Three trade deadline deals (albeit all unsuccesful) in there as well. Only 5 players so far that didn't make it to the NHL or weren't traded.
2017 draft- Farrance looks to be a miss
In what way?
18-19 he was second in defense scoring for BU behind Dante Fabbro with 20 points in 37 games
19-20 one of the best looking prospects at camp
19-20 #1 defenseman for BU and leading the blueline in scoring with 7 points in 5 games, ahead of Fabbro's pace from last season.
He's got okay size and good wheels. I don't see how he doesn't become a 5-7 defenseman for the Preds.
Honestly, I don't have strong opinions on Farrance so either way. I'll change him to a could be depth defender.
I see what you are getting at, but Detroit is currently footing that 25 year bill. As you pointed out, Detroit was able to do a lot of that before the cap era. It's different now. The Chicago's and LA's of the league are a lot closer to a comparable than the Wings.
Boston is going to be footing their's soon enough.
If you want to look at team's on the upswing of their cycle, Carolina and Toronto come to mind.
The way to a win a cup, as far as I can tell, over the last 8 years boils down to 4 things:
3-4 Super stars
1 goalie who can make big stops at critical times
2-3 quality players
Competent bums
I'm just not sure outside of Josi, Nashville has number 1 and 2 on that list checked off.
Again, I'm not saying pull the plug and tank today. I'm saying that in 3 years if the current core doesn't get it done, it's better to trade the assets before they don't have value (like the Rangers have done) then let them go stale and are untradeable.
I also just need to say, outside of Dante, what Preds prospect has recently made the NHL? I honestly can't name one. Saros, Sissons etc have been playing up here for a while. Our prospect pool is not as deep or talented as we think.