Thrasymachus
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Robin Lehner, Thomas Griess predictions/“The Korn Effect”
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Jester9881
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Welp, we are 12 games in and both guys are in top 15 GAA & top 10 in save %.
So early but this is beyond my wildest dreams.
So early but this is beyond my wildest dreams.
We might’ve won a cup if we had Trotz and Korn for all of the six previous years.
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Find the person who thinks that coaching doesn't matter (or that capuano or weight were good ones) and you've found a person who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Period.
We have the Children of the Korn. That should scare all teams.
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Makes Wang's years of stubbornly holding onto Snow/Cappy even more infuriating.
Islanders4Cups
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Snow and Weight I agree. Still think Cappy was not as bad as people made him out to be. If Snow responded to the situation of the team and gave him more pieces, Cappy would have won more.
That said, I am thrilled with the current front office and coaching staff
That said, I am thrilled with the current front office and coaching staff
Lame Lambert
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Capuano’s teams underperformed for their talent level. Could you imagine the 14-16 teams with Trotz coaching?
Islanders4Cups
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Maybe but that is giving Snow too much credit. Maybe a little bit of both then but Cappy knew what he was doing, more than the criticism he still receives on these boards. Snow was one of the worst GMs in managing the roster and reacting to trade deadlines ever and never will be forgiven or trusting JT.
Newsworthy
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Really?
The majority of this board was ready to drive Greiss out of town faster than a NY minute?
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Boosted 9 times they/them
Sure it's the Snow effect.
Snow run Nabokov to the ground.
Then Snow hated Halak and treated him bad to make Halak look bad, even sent him to B'port only because of Snow's ego. Look how good Halak is now.
Snow signed the backup Greiss for too much and then started him more than any other goalie in the NHL, run him to the ground too. It takes time to recover from it and this is Greiss now.
Still much time to make decisions for the future. I would extend Greiss for little $$$. With the salary inflation we see now not easy to decide. I would sign Greiss for 2-2.5M if he would sign for less even better, do it now.
I wouldn't sign any goalie for more than 5M. If Lehner is looking for much money I would think about trading him at the deadline depending on how his value is, doesn't make sense to trade him for peanuts. If Lehner likes LI and would sign for reasonable money kind of hometown discount I could imagine to sign him long term even I hate long term for goalies.
Best would be to develop goalies and once they have value to trade them. This was impossible before because Snow didn't have the Know-How.
Snow run Nabokov to the ground.
Then Snow hated Halak and treated him bad to make Halak look bad, even sent him to B'port only because of Snow's ego. Look how good Halak is now.
Snow signed the backup Greiss for too much and then started him more than any other goalie in the NHL, run him to the ground too. It takes time to recover from it and this is Greiss now.
Still much time to make decisions for the future. I would extend Greiss for little $$$. With the salary inflation we see now not easy to decide. I would sign Greiss for 2-2.5M if he would sign for less even better, do it now.
I wouldn't sign any goalie for more than 5M. If Lehner is looking for much money I would think about trading him at the deadline depending on how his value is, doesn't make sense to trade him for peanuts. If Lehner likes LI and would sign for reasonable money kind of hometown discount I could imagine to sign him long term even I hate long term for goalies.
Best would be to develop goalies and once they have value to trade them. This was impossible before because Snow didn't have the Know-How.
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There have been arguments pertaining to the relevance of coaching in every major sport for years now. I often see people who disregard it for the most part. While I think that there is a level of truth to that when you consider a team full of several talented players in their primes. The coaching aspect is underrated when it comes to teams that are marginally talented.
I don't think any of us believe the Islanders are going to make a Golden Knight's run a la last year. With that said. There is enough talent on this roster, where good coaching and a disciplined approach night in and night out could possibly get this team into the playoffs with the chance to surprise in a round or two.
Look at the Patriots in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that they have not had the most talented roster every year for the past decade plus. While talent has played a significant role, coaching is what has made them a perennial contender.
It's harder than we think, to get people on the same page. Great communicators are able to get a team to buy in. These are all skilled athletes at the highest level, and confidence can often breed success.
Greiss and Lehner are goalies who given a disciplined system in front of them in addition to competent coaching can have success. Once they experience that success it can breed confidence and allow them to play at a level which is capable enough to push the Islanders into legitimate playoff consideration.
I don't think any of us believe the Islanders are going to make a Golden Knight's run a la last year. With that said. There is enough talent on this roster, where good coaching and a disciplined approach night in and night out could possibly get this team into the playoffs with the chance to surprise in a round or two.
Look at the Patriots in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that they have not had the most talented roster every year for the past decade plus. While talent has played a significant role, coaching is what has made them a perennial contender.
It's harder than we think, to get people on the same page. Great communicators are able to get a team to buy in. These are all skilled athletes at the highest level, and confidence can often breed success.
Greiss and Lehner are goalies who given a disciplined system in front of them in addition to competent coaching can have success. Once they experience that success it can breed confidence and allow them to play at a level which is capable enough to push the Islanders into legitimate playoff consideration.
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Islanders4Cups
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I base it on the players buying into his system and consecutive 100 point seasons. It doesn’t happen consecutively without a certain level of philosophy and competence. If the players felt they were being held back, you didn’t hear it.
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Halak played well last year after he was sent down to the AHL. But Before that he was a disaster. For the year in whole he was much better than Greiss who was dreadful. The majority of fans on this board gave up on Greiss last season including myself. Wasn' t a crazy debate about Weights system affecting Greiss or Halaks play. The blame on Weight was always secondary. Lehner wasn't that good in Buffalo on a team that struggled mightily. Give Korn and Trotz credit but blaming Snow a GM and Weight for bad goalie play is ridiculous. Saying a goalies numbers are skewed because of the system and bad coaching is another thing.
Who gets the credit for Greiss, Halaks, and Lehners bounce back years this season?
Is it coaching or the players themselves?
Who gets the credit for Greiss, Halaks, and Lehners bounce back years this season?
Is it coaching or the players themselves?
I’m not calling it a bounce back year for either Greiss or Lehner after just 11 games.
I don’t care for either goalie. One was signed long term because Snow saw 30 good games out of him and the other is here on a 1 year prove-it deal. If they do well, great. It’s a huge help to our team, and give all the credit to Greiss, Lehner, Mitch Korn and Piero Greco for the work they put in. I hope they succeed. I just don’t see Greiss or Lehner as long term solutions here.
