Speculation: Revamping Management and Turning Stones

[Vachon23]

I am very happy to hear that while Bouchard comes in, Carrière is well on his way out.

This would almost complete my wish list of who they get rid of and who they bring in. After Carrière and the other assistants in Laval, it's the scouting departments I want go through changes, particularly Churla and Crawford.

yes Crawford Churla and Ramage can’t come back !

 

[Captain Mountain]

Give Hunter Churla’s job.
Francis Associate coach or head of player development

Wouldn't you say that both Eric Crawford and Churla have to go? I wonder how they could lure Mark Hunter. If they did, it would be after the draft ...



Dubas wants Hunter to stay, but assistant GM’s future with Leafs cloudy

Hunter is going to leave Toronto to come to Montreal for a downgrade in position AND even less chance at future growth in the organization, from one of the teams that can actually outbid Montreal in terms of salary?

Really?

 

[Adam Michaels]

yes Crawford Churla and Ramage can’t come back !

Ramage did his job by making sure Jake Evans wanted to sign with Habs. Now that it's done, he can be shown the door.

 

[Vachon23]

Here's the candidate I have to replace the others post that need to be replace

Eric Crawford = Blair Mackasey, I said hit before, but I would really like him in this position. He as a great CV worked for Team Canada and he leaves in MTL. he was interview at the team for the GM post to replace Pierre Gauthier

Other candidate ( In order that I prefer): Alexandre Rouleau, Shawn Dineen, Ryan Bowness, Andre Savard, Yannick Lemay



Shane Churla = Stéphane Pilotte, I said why I wanted him 1 or 2 pages ago ! A real good hockey mind

Other candidate ( In order that I prefer): Alain Chainey (I think he don’t want to be scout anymore but I would call, If he doesn’t want, I would offer him a job as consultant), Trent Mann, Raphael Pouliot, Lucas Bergman, Alexandre Rouleau, Yannick Lemay, Alain Bissonnette



Jean-Jacques Daingenault = Trent Yanway, he did a great job with the Ducks young D and his PK where outstanding ! To add, He was HC of the Ducks farm when Montour Manson where in the AHL !

Other candidate ( In order that I prefer): Scott Stevens, Jay McKee, Chris Chelios, Mike Kitchen



Sylvain Lefebvre ( I think Bouchard will be Assistant GM + Rocket GM + Development director (replace Ramage): Gilles Bouchard, He won the President cup and lost in OT vs a boosted London club (Marner, Tkachuk,Dvorak. Did a great job in the midget AAA so he touch all kind of young player

Other candidate ( In order that I prefer): Jim Hulton, Jean-Francois Houle, Dave Cameron



Rick Dudley = Chuck Fletcher

Other candidate ( In order that I prefer): Ron Francis, Darcy Regier, Derek Clancy, Rick Paterson




I would add Larry Robinson as consultant, and a home run I would do , but I know it will not happen is:

Trevor Timmins for Martin Madden Jr !

 

[habs03]

So question, per fans, Bergevin hires his friends. Does anyone know if that is actually true. For example some stuff I know some stuff to not be true, Bergevin didn't know Therrien very well prior to hiring him. His friendship with JJD is based on them playing hockey as kid, from what Ive read his is close Mario and Pat Brisson who also played on the team, so that is 1.

I know he worked with Dudley, Lapointe, and Waitt with the Hawks.. Maybe Played with Mellanby and Ramage with the Blues. People would say he won't fire SB because its his friend last few years, based on..?

Again not sure if its angry fans, but I mean the guy played for a like a bunch of teams and played almost 18-20 years, he has a link to almost everyone. I remember people thought he would hire Marc Crawford instead of Therrien in 2012 because he played like 7 games to end his career for the Crawford and they were "friends"

 

[Habs Icing]

Let's find out what Bouchard's role will be and take it from there.

Let's be honest. Hunter is leaving because he sees his path to the GM position blocked in T.O. Well, the obstacle in Montreal is even bigger. He doesn't speak French. He won't come here.

 

[Habs Icing]

De ce qu’on m’a dit et de ce que j’ai entendu à Boisbriand ces dernières semaines, je m’attends à ce que Joël Bouchard joigne le @CanadiensMTL très bientôt. Ma prédiction? Il sera entraîneur-chef (et DG) du @RocketLaval + adjoint de Bergevin. À suivre. #CH #Habs #Rocket - Raphael Doucet


Selon notre collègue @MLalancetteTVA c’est terminé pour Joël Bouchard avec @ArmadaBLB @TVASports @CASinotte #DCSAM

That would be great news. Coach and GM at Laval. And Bergevin's right hand man.

 

[Habs Icing]

Here's the candidate I have to replace the others post that need to be replace

Eric Crawford = Blair Mackasey, !

I like many of the names you mentioned but Mackasey I think is assistant GM in Minnesota. He wouldn't come here for head of pro scouting.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

That would be great news. Coach and GM at Laval. And Bergevin's right hand man.

AND, a potential future GM for Molson when he decides to can Bergevin. (damn I hope it's the case)

Add Ducharme as potential future HC for the Habs, and we finally have building blocks developed inside the team, something that should have been done 6 years ago.

Yup, I believe everything comes from Molson, and that he's not as stupid as people think he is, he just took a bit more time than expected understanding how to be a president.

 

[Vachon23]

I like many of the names you mentioned but Mackasey I think is assistant GM in Minnesota. He wouldn't come here for head of pro scouting.

no he is director of player personnel but I think he could change with a New DG

 

[Habs Icing]

no he is director of player personnel but I think he could change with a New DG

Kid, you really know your stuff. You're right. He's director of player personnel. I would love to have him here.

 

[Vachon23]

if Bouchard is named coach, I wouldn’t be surprised if Steve Begin is hired assistant coach in Laval

 

[Sterling Archer]

Hunter is going to leave Toronto to come to Montreal for a downgrade in position AND even less chance at future growth in the organization, from one of the teams that can actually outbid Montreal in terms of salary?

Really?

I should have said ake him the AGM as I did when Dubas was promoted. Now that Dudley is gone it’s an open position.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I should have said ake him the AGM as I did when Dubas was promoted. Now that Dudley is gone it’s an open position.

Dudley wasn't an AGM, he was VP of hockey OPs. And Bergevin said they eren't replacing Dudley. Montreal's AGMs are Timmins and Mellanby, both of whom are still here.

And that doesn't actually solve the problem that there's no real path for internal advancement. Why is Hunter moving farther away from London to a worse team for not more money or influence?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Dudley wasn't an AGM, he was VP of hockey OPs. And Bergevin said they eren't replacing Dudley. Montreal's AGMs are Timmins and Mellanby, both of whom are still here.

And that doesn't actually solve the problem that there's no real path for internal advancement. Why is Hunter moving farther away from London to a worse team for not more money or influence?

When there’s a will, there’s a way. If you wanted to bring him in, show him the money. That and the fact he’d be sticking it to the leafs while being an important piece of the puzzle should be motivation enough.

 

[Captain Mountain]

When there’s a will, there’s a way. If you wanted to bring him in, show him the money. That and the fact he’d be sticking it to the leafs while being an important piece of the puzzle should be motivation enough.

Why? The scouting team in Toronto is his. Unless you're actually getting rid of Timmins, that isn't going to be the case here. You're making assumptions (Hunter is pissed at the Leafs decision and wants to stick it to them) and then trying to bend the situation to what you want (Hunter in Montreal's FO). Even if Hunter wanted to move on and not just go back to London, why Montreal?

Hunter isn't 10, he's not going to jump to Montreal just to get back at Toronto for a perceived slight.

 

[Laurentide]

Hunter isn't 10, he's not going to jump to Montreal just to get back at Toronto for a perceived slight.

That's the kind of pettiness I'd expect from a Habs GM.

 

[Captain Mountain]

That's the kind of pettiness I'd expect from a Habs GM.

But not Hunter.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Why? The scouting team in Toronto is his. Unless you're actually getting rid of Timmins, that isn't going to be the case here. You're making assumptions (Hunter is pissed at the Leafs decision and wants to stick it to them) and then trying to bend the situation to what you want (Hunter in Montreal's FO). Even if Hunter wanted to move on and not just go back to London, why Montreal?

Hunter isn't 10, he's not going to jump to Montreal just to get back at Toronto for a perceived slight.

Because Hunter is a great evaluator of talent and by all media reports (not my opinion) he’s upset that he didn’t get the nod as GM and might leave the organization.

Montreal being a terribly rich team can spend an unlimited amount of money on its front office and should do what they can to bring in a respected and quite honestly,aazing talent evaluator into the fold. Just like without a Ducharme and Bouchard, they can discuss what role and how to incorporate him into the organization to make him feel like a useful part of it. And don’t fool yourself. We’re all 10 year olds under the surface.

 

[scrubadam]

So question, per fans, Bergevin hires his friends. Does anyone know if that is actually true. For example some stuff I know some stuff to not be true, Bergevin didn't know Therrien very well prior to hiring him. His friendship with JJD is based on them playing hockey as kid, from what Ive read his is close Mario and Pat Brisson who also played on the team, so that is 1.

I know he worked with Dudley, Lapointe, and Waitt with the Hawks.. Maybe Played with Mellanby and Ramage with the Blues. People would say he won't fire SB because its his friend last few years, based on..?

Again not sure if its angry fans, but I mean the guy played for a like a bunch of teams and played almost 18-20 years, he has a link to almost everyone. I remember people thought he would hire Marc Crawford instead of Therrien in 2012 because he played like 7 games to end his career for the Crawford and they were "friends"

Truth is Quebec hockey is a small world. If you are involved in hockey are your life as a Quebecer you are going to run in the same circles as other Quebecers.

Most GM's are going to hire people they know and share their vision. I doubt it would be hard to play 6 degrees of separation for any GM in the league. NHL management is a small world.

Maybe MB's personal relationships made him more loyal then he should of been. The guy's thoughts were clouded because he believed in his group more than the results they were putting up. But take any guy from QC and you can probably find a link to another guy from QC in hockey.

 

[habs03]

Truth is Quebec hockey is a small world. If you are involved in hockey are your life as a Quebecer you are going to run in the same circles as other Quebecers.

Most GM's are going to hire people they know and share their vision. I doubt it would be hard to play 6 degrees of separation for any GM in the league. NHL management is a small world.

Maybe MB's personal relationships made him more loyal then he should of been. The guy's thoughts were clouded because he believed in his group more than the results they were putting up. But take any guy from QC and you can probably find a link to another guy from QC in hockey.

Really I think its more of a hockey thing, than a just a Quebec thing, Bergevin had little connection to Quebec
singe leaving Juniors. But the part you said of personal relationships making him more loyal. Did he have any more personal relationships with the guys he hired than other guys. Like I said when a guy like that has been around the NHL for 30 years, player/scout/management etc, there is a connection with everyone, when you played with so many teams.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Funny how the Leblanc pick came just two days after Molson bought the team...

 

[Captain Mountain]

Because Hunter is a great evaluator of talent and by all media reports (not my opinion) he’s upset that he didn’t get the nod as GM and might leave the organization.

Montreal being a terribly rich team can spend an unlimited amount of money on its front office and should do what they can to bring in a respected and quite honestly,aazing talent evaluator into the fold. Just like without a Ducharme and Bouchard, they can discuss what role and how to incorporate him into the organization to make him feel like a useful part of it. And don’t fool yourself. We’re all 10 year olds under the surface.

I'll point out that Bergevin is also a respected talent evaluator by those around the league outside the organization. And lets not pretend Hunter is some flawless draft guru. He's had some really weird picks in Toronto (Korshkov 31st OA?).

And adults really don't make important life decisions based on spite. Not when they have families and careers.

Adding Hunter would be nice, but Montreal's drafting hasn't been that much of an Achilles heel. Its not like they've really screwed up their top picks since 2013. Pro-scouting is the much bigger issue, as are player evaluations. And Montreal needs a Dubas guy for that more than a Hunter.

 

[Vachon23]

I'll point out that Bergevin is also a respected talent evaluator by those around the league outside the organization. And lets not pretend Hunter is some flawless draft guru. He's had some really weird picks in Toronto (Korshkov 31st OA?).

And adults really don't make important life decisions based on spite. Not when they have families and careers.

Adding Hunter would be nice, but Montreal's drafting hasn't been that much of an Achilles heel. Its not like they've really screwed up their top picks since 2013. Pro-scouting is the much bigger issue, as are player evaluations. And Montreal needs a Dubas guy for that more than a Hunter.

I went see the Leafs draft and maman your right ! I think the all Leafs management is overrated.. they had the chance of drafting Marner and Matthews but after they did what ?

 

[Captain Mountain]

I went see the Leafs draft and maman your right ! I think the all Leafs management is overrated.. they had the chance of drafting Marner and Matthews but after they did what ?

I think Bracco, Dermott, Nielsen, Timashov and Grundstrom were good picks, but they also had a lot of 2nd rounders. I just don't see Montreal's amateur scouting as the area of need if you're dramatically reordering your front office.