Gniwder
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You know PK doesn't count towards +/- stats?
If you want penalty killers, guys like LGD come at a much lower price. For the extra $4M that Copp is getting over guys like LGD or Nosek, I want to see more than 9 goal.
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You know PK doesn't count towards +/- stats?
If you want penalty killers, guys like LGD come at a much lower price. For the extra $4M that Copp is getting over guys like LGD or Nosek, I want to see more than 9 goal.
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Yes, I know special teams do not count towards plus minus. Two separate points around his usage, not to be confused with each other
A perfectly fair criticism. I would counter with two points:
Copp loss the off-season to injury which contributed to a slow start, and probably impacted some pretty important time to develop a rapport with his new teammates - I don’t expect him to have the shame issues this year.
Similiarly, because he is taking a lions share of PK (along with Larkin last year) but not receiving a proportional amount of time on the PP (3:28 vs 1:42 respectively), that does adversely impact his offensive output. Depending how the PP shakes up this next season, given better health and more depth in talent, we could see better balance between the two PP units and Copp getting more time centering the second unit along with maybe a Perron, Fabbri, Sprong, Walman.
So I agree, I would expect and I’m generally counting on him to be north of 15g next season.
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From the athletic...
“He did everything for them,” Scout 1 said. “He’s a really good, complete hockey player. I’m sure there was some critiquing that he played too high a role or too high a level, but he had a really good year. … I think they’ll miss him.”
Scout 2 brought up Compher’s defensive ability and increase in his offensive numbers in 2022-23. Those types of players are hard to find, the scout said, and that’s why the Red Wings gave him more than $5 million a year.
“J.T. Compher is an outstanding player,” Scout 3 said. “I don’t think he gets nearly enough recognition for what he does every night. He can play across the entire lineup. He plays all three forward positions. He can be a secondary (power-play) guy. He’s a great penalty killer, he’s good in the faceoff circle, he’s got great compete. That’s going to be a significant loss for the Avs.”
Which free-agent departure will the Avalanche miss most?
J.T. Compher, who left for Detroit, was the unanimous answer.“He did everything for them,” Scout 1 said. “He’s a really good, complete hockey player. I’m sure there was some critiquing that he played too high a role or too high a level, but he had a really good year. … I think they’ll miss him.”
Scout 2 brought up Compher’s defensive ability and increase in his offensive numbers in 2022-23. Those types of players are hard to find, the scout said, and that’s why the Red Wings gave him more than $5 million a year.
“J.T. Compher is an outstanding player,” Scout 3 said. “I don’t think he gets nearly enough recognition for what he does every night. He can play across the entire lineup. He plays all three forward positions. He can be a secondary (power-play) guy. He’s a great penalty killer, he’s good in the faceoff circle, he’s got great compete. That’s going to be a significant loss for the Avs.”
Gniwder
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That is not at all how it works. Players don't get PP because they PK. You wouldn't want Helm and LGD on your power play. Why Copp?
Chances are, with a better first unit which includes Cat and Ghost, they may get an even more disproportionate amount of time vs the second unit. That is how it works on most teams.
DamonDRW
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I would say that almost each and every big SY signing and draft choice this and past summer was really strange for me at the first sight. Danielsson, Pelikka, Copp, Perron, Compher, etc. But then when I get a closer look they appear quite logical having tons of hidden benefits.
We'll, SY always makes me feeling like I have no clue what hockey is all about and how to structure a team. This is a good sign actually.
We'll, SY always makes me feeling like I have no clue what hockey is all about and how to structure a team. This is a good sign actually.
Henkka
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Great post. Nice to read something like this.
Isn't it funny that both Copp and Compher are from same draft as Mantha and Bertuzzi?
So in few years, Yzerman has changed 1-dimensional winger and another injury prone winger in two defensive middle6 centers.
Quite sure, in a package, no one would take those former Red Wings before Copp & Compher. Even the contract values are quite same.
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So far he has exceeded expectations. 1 goal 2 assists, 51% on draws, no turnovers, 3 blocks, a takeaway, and getting 20min a game. Refreshing after waiting half a season for Copp to get going.
Henkka
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Also best producer at pre-season. 5 points in 4 games.
Think Colorado got a big downgrade on signing Ryan Johansen and not Compher. 1M difference in salary, bigger difference on-ice.
Think Colorado got a big downgrade on signing Ryan Johansen and not Compher. 1M difference in salary, bigger difference on-ice.
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He's been realgud so far. Our second line has looked like a legit second line with him on it.
Third line with Rasmussen - Copp - Perron has been doodoo, though...
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Perron has been trash for a while now. He's an anchor and not an asset.
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I don't know about a while, but games 1 and 2 of the season? Definitely. Copp has been pretty invisible save for a couple decent defensive plays.
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Perron is not the type of player that should be leading a team in PIM. He's defensively lazy because he can't skate and tries to use stickwork to make up for it.
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Coming on here to say, I got it wrong with this guy. Thought it was a bad signing, but so far this guy has been very good.
Please continue to make me eat my words JT!
Please continue to make me eat my words JT!
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Still early in the season but I think most of us read this wrong. Time will tell but he looked great tonight and he was a standout in the preseason.
Henkka
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Don't you guys worry. You are not signing these players. We all can be wrong as long as our GM isn't. 
Henkka
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Pretty good now with Sprong and Veleno.
Was overhead on the Top line, still great guy at lower lines.
I was expecting Copp 2.0. It is early, but the guy seems to be doing the little things right.
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When the cap goes up this contract will look realgud I think.
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Being a righty and usually excellent at the faceoff dot has been a huge boon to the Wings thus far. He appears to have good chemistry with Ras as well.
On an aside, Perron should be on the 4th line. He cannot matchup against top line anymore as he is just too slow.
On an aside, Perron should be on the 4th line. He cannot matchup against top line anymore as he is just too slow.
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Interestingly enough, he actually brings a calmness to his line. He looks like he is thinking things through and a couple steps ahead before he passses or makes a move when he has time/space. When he gets up close and personal with someone, I haven't seen him make the worst decision (not always the best, but the good decisions are what matters).
Loved the signing when we got him and wanted him before that. I harp on FO% a lot for centers because when you have possession, you can't get scored on (the epitome of the wings system for 15+ years). He's at 56% in FO% and his offensive zone starts in all situations is only 24% (larkin is 55+, copp is 28), so lalonde obviously trusts him in those situations and his defensive skill.
Was kinda worried because we don't have rantanen type players for him to get his points from but he does have 4 in 3 games so far!
Loved the signing when we got him and wanted him before that. I harp on FO% a lot for centers because when you have possession, you can't get scored on (the epitome of the wings system for 15+ years). He's at 56% in FO% and his offensive zone starts in all situations is only 24% (larkin is 55+, copp is 28), so lalonde obviously trusts him in those situations and his defensive skill.
Was kinda worried because we don't have rantanen type players for him to get his points from but he does have 4 in 3 games so far!
norrisnick
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This dude has been legit. Thought he'd be another Copp/Nielsen type signing but he's so solid. Has some, hands, protects the puck well, and has the vision to make the right plays and make shit happen.
Henkka
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It was funny to read from Avs fans, how they are not currently happy for Ryan Johansen.
