Reaves Suspension Incoming?

[g00n]

So let me get this straight. Two guys coming at each other trying to do the same thing, and one guy gets a little higher so the other guy gets hurt.

Where have I heard that before?

/3 game suspension for Wilson
//Nothing for Reaves

 

[featherhawk]

he was going to cross check him in the face ?

Can you help a brother out with this weeks lotto numbers ?

I never said Wilson was going to crossc heck him in the face. I said Wilson initiated it and started to cross heck reavers first.

You should read my post over again until you understand what was written

 

[tarheelhockey]

First we need to determine whether this was an “altercation”.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I like Tommy Wilson, but he doesn't want that smoke.

 

[trick9]

In what way do these two plays look alike?

Kane's was after the whistle, Bellemare was minding his own business, Kane targeted him and went straight at him, striking him twice...


In the Reaves play it was during play before the whistle, Wilson was actively approaching Reaves with his stick up trying to cross-check Reaves, and #75 wasn't even looking at Wilson... What is Reaves supposed to do? Let Wilson come in and give him a cross-check to the ribs? lol

That's a great advice. Whenever there is a scrum around either goal, if someone gets close to you just crosscheck him in the face because he might do something. I mean, what else is there to do?

 

[Rodgerwilco]

That's a great advice. Whenever there is a scrum around either goal, if someone gets close to you just crosscheck him in the face because he might do something. I mean, what else is there to do?

Wilson approached Reaves with his stick horizontal and up in the air.....

 

[Brian McDavid]

Elbow to the head on the Kuznetsov hit which lead to his hand injury should be a suspension.

If Tom Wilson made that hit we’d have 10 threads on here. Meanwhile refs didnt even see it.

This is accurate.

As to the OP... no. No suspension. Both players engaged, Reaves went a bit higher and rightfully got the minor penalty.

 

[trick9]

Wilson approached Reaves with his stick horizontal and up in the air.....

His stick was nowhere near that high. Otherwise Reaves couldn't have crosschecked him like that...

Either way you constantly see players come in like that to scrums. It doesn't mean they are coming to take your head off.

That's the definition of Marchand -logic. See someone coming at you with a hit and go down because ''what else was there to do???''.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Wilson comes in with his stick horizontal. How can you say "his stick was nowhere near that high" when I didn't even specify a height in my comment you're quoting? It was near chest-level, ending up in Reaves' rib-cage. Exactly why I said "ribs" in my original comment.

Once again... What exactly do YOU expect Reaves to do? What is the proper way to handle this? Let Wilson come in and cross-check him? Reaves had just hit Orlov, he knows the next guy coming in at him isn't going to play patty-cake.

 

[IceNeophyte]

First we need to determine whether this was an “altercation”.

LOL

 

[Kuz]

Wilson comes in with his stick horizontal. How can you say "his stick was nowhere near that high" when I didn't even specify a height in my comment you're quoting? It was near chest-level, ending up in Reaves' rib-cage. Exactly why I said "ribs" in my original comment.

Once again... What exactly do YOU expect Reaves to do? What is the proper way to handle this? Let Wilson come in and cross-check him? Reaves had just hit Orlov, he knows the next guy coming in at him isn't going to play patty-cake.

Its possible to avoid going for the head and go lower on the crosscheck perhaps?

 

[Beauner]

Wilson comes in with his stick to do the same thing and Reaves gets him first. Welcome to net front scrums in hockey, you must be new here.

yep.

 

[Homerhawk]

Wilson approached Reaves with his stick horizontal and up in the air.....

It's really hard to carry your stick on the ground.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Game state matters. In a 5-0 game, that will be seen as trying to goon it up, in a 3-1 game it's playing hard.

That shouldn't matter at all.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Its possible to avoid going for the head and go lower on the crosscheck perhaps?

He could have tried to go a bit lower, sure. But to act as though choir boy Tommy Wilson was skating in to shake Reaves' hand and that Reaves acted in a totally ridiculous way is just silly. Ofc he's going to get his stick up high on the guy who's bringing his stick up high on him....

It's nowhere near suspension worthy. He wasn't even looking squarely at the Wilson.

 

[Jeti]

Reaves probably hurts the Knights NOT being suspended. Let him continue to take stupid penalties.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

It's really hard to carry your stick on the ground.

Wilson approached Reaves with his stick horizontal and up in the air.....

Yeah, the only way to carry your stick is parallel to the ice and at chest-level....

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Glove to the face. No stick.

Wilson in the act of delivering his own crosscheck.

Wilson folds like a cheap suit. Embellishment.

Two minute penalty appropriate.

A punch while holding a stick straight to the chin by Ryan Reaves. I'd say that hurts and most players would go down.

 

[IceNeophyte]

Minor penalty.

No idea why Capitals fans would want Reaves suspended anyway. I much rather see him on the ice than Tomas Tatar.

If he goes off, Carrier will come on, not Tatar (assuming Carrier is game ready)

 

[Homerhawk]

This thread just reiterates that all of us fan bases are exactly alike. Plenty of people criticize Caps fans for defending Wilson's antics, but every team has fans that will defend their own players in the same situations. Defend it all you want, but Reaves clearly popped him in the face his stick. His hands weren't in a defensive position to merely protect himself from Wilson. One player approaching another player does not make it ok to cross check someone in the face after the whistle. Reaves has been cross checking everyone in reach this series.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

In what way do these two plays look alike?

Kane's was after the whistle, Bellemare was minding his own business, Kane targeted him and went straight at him, striking him twice...


In the Reaves play it was during play before the whistle, Wilson was actively approaching Reaves with his stick up trying to cross-check Reaves, and #75 wasn't even looking at Wilson... What is Reaves supposed to do? Let Wilson come in and give him a cross-check to the ribs? lol

In what world was Bellemare "minding his own business"? He got between Kane and Schmidt, who had been crosschecking his teammate (and captain) Pavelski in the back and the ribs for a good 10 seconds before the whistle sounded. Bellemare should have let his teammate deal with it instead of getting in the way of a mad player. It was called appropriately on the ice, but Bellemare wasn't some poor guy who just happened to get randomly attacked.

 

[beowulf]

Self defense your honor, he was about to cross check me and I had to defend myself.

 

[HunterSThompson]

Yeah, the only way to carry your stick is parallel to the ice and at chest-level....

This is devil's advocate work here:
Is it possible to say that Wilson went in with his hands like that knowing that Reaves would crosscheck him? He saw Reaves crosscheck Carlson from behind two days ago. He just saw Reaves crosscheck Orlov from behind a mere second before. It was likely Reaves would crosscheck him next. It is interesting that Wilson brought his hands up first as everyone has said, but Reaves somehow made contact first. That might suggest that Wilson did not go in with as near the intent/strength for his crosscheck as Reaves did.

I don't think this is similar to what Kane did to Bellemare as that was a defenseless player. 2 minute crosscheck is right. Still a dirty play, but not all dirty plays deserve supplemental discipline.

 

[IceNeophyte]

This is devil's advocate work here:
Is it possible to say that Wilson went in with his hands like that knowing that Reaves would cross-check him? He saw Reaves cross-check Carlson from behind two days ago. He just saw Reaves crosscheck Orlov from behind a mere second before. It was likely Reaves would crosscheck him next. It is interesting that Wilson brought his hands up first as everyone has said, but Reaves somehow made contact first. That might suggest that Wilson did not go in with as near the intent/strength for his cross-check as Reaves did.

I don't think this is similar to what Kane did to Bellemare as that was a defenseless player. 2 minute crosscheck is right.

Don't get me wrong, The penalty was deserved and I would be perfectly okay with Reaves sitting a game for the crosscheck to the face. But if you don't think Wilson was heading in his direction for the purpose of a confrontation, you need to lay off the kool-aid. If you are afraid someone is going to attack you, why go in at him like an elephant in must?

 

[IceNeophyte]

A punch while holding a stick straight to the chin by Ryan Reaves. I'd say that hurts and most players would go down.

I agree with this. He made a crosschecking motion directly to the face. It's moot whether the glove or stick made contact.