Reason for Hawks' early success?

[Hawkaholic]

It has nothing to do with their record.

I said that earlier to him, he doesn't listen.

 

[BobbyJet]

so you’re saying if the Hawks had 12 points in 18 games and were in dead last, people would be saying things are going well

What he is saying that going into this season the goal for the Hawks was to see an improvement with the young guys leading the charge ... and we have seen it. The fact that they have more points than expected is a bonus and reward for hard work and vastly improved team play backed up by unexpectedly solid goaltending.

 

[Illinihockey]

It has nothing to do with their record.

the title of this thread is why are the Hawks having success. That’s a direct reference to their record

 

[Pez68]

the title of this thread is why are the Hawks having success. That’s a direct reference to their record

So as a coach, you only measure success by wins and losses? I feel sorry for your players.

 

[Illinihockey]

What he is saying that going into this season the goal for the Hawks was to see an improvement with the young guys leading the charge ... and we have seen it. The fact that they have more points than expected is a bonus and reward for hard work and vastly improved team play backed up by unexpectedly solid goaltending.

and I’m saying there isn’t improvement by any metrics other than goaltending, the power play (both of which are at unsustainable levels) and the eye test. I feel like people just forgot what winning hockey looks like, good teams pass the eye test and the underlying numbers back up what you think you’re seeing

 

[Illinihockey]

So as a coach, you only measure success by wins and losses? I feel sorry for your players.

no because I coach 12 year olds, not professionals. I’m sure JC will take the 26 year old developing players for Dairy Queen after the season

 

[BobbyJet]

Imagine a goalie with a sv% of 0.917, and then saying he couldn't stop a beach ball.

Fact is, Crawford had some good moments but was often overrated by quite a few fans on this board for his entire career. When he was good it was inflated to elite and when not so good it was deemed good.... and when he was bad and let in too many softies, well, the excuses were many.

 

[Pez68]

no because I coach 12 year olds, not professionals. I’m sure JC will take the 26 year old developing players for Dairy Queen after the season

 

[ChiHawks10]

What in the actual f*** am I reading in this thread? Lol.

 

[Brightwing]

no because I coach 12 year olds, not professionals. I’m sure JC will take the 26 year old developing players for Dairy Queen after the season

Oh god, if someone filmed JC offering to buy Duncan Keith a sundae for trying real hard, my life might be complete.

 

[RayP]

and I’m saying there isn’t improvement by any metrics other than goaltending, the power play (both of which are at unsustainable levels) and the eye test. I feel like people just forgot what winning hockey looks like, good teams pass the eye test and the underlying numbers back up what you think you’re seeing

Your eyes must suck.

 

[BobbyJet]

and I’m saying there isn’t improvement by any metrics other than goaltending, the power play (both of which are at unsustainable levels) and the eye test. I feel like people just forgot what winning hockey looks like, good teams pass the eye test and the underlying numbers back up what you think you’re seeing

What exactly do you expect? For Hawks to suddenly become Tampa Bay over the summer?
Most can see that they have made a big step in the right direction and if you can't see it, I don't know what to say.

 

[WeAreSoPucked]

Lmao what are you guys talking about, did any of you watch the playoffs or did old age memory loss kick in?

Yes.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Fact is, Crawford had some good moments but was often overrated by quite a few fans on this board for his entire career. When he was good it was inflated to elite and when not so good it was deemed good.... and when he was bad and let in too many softies, well, the excuses were many.

Fact is, Crawford was one of the better goalies in the NHL from 2013-2018, just before he was concussed.

You have always underrated him, and Blackhawks is a moron. Otherwise, almost everyone else feels the way I do, he was a great goalie for us.

 

[Hawkaholic]

and I’m saying there isn’t improvement by any metrics other than goaltending, the power play (both of which are at unsustainable levels) and the eye test. I feel like people just forgot what winning hockey looks like, good teams pass the eye test and the underlying numbers back up what you think you’re seeing

when you are the only poster who hasnt seen improvements, maybe you should just accept that you dont know what you are watching. I dont think anyone thinks the PP or goaltending is sustainable, but what we have seen so far is more than that. Players are playing the type of hockey you want, and not just floating around lost like they were the last 2 years.

Will they continue to play like this all year? That's what we hope to see, and that's what JC will be judged by. So far, this year he has done a decent job, the wins are just gravy.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

So now people are switching on Crawford and he now a gutless ******?

Crawford was pretty good but not elite imo

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Fact is, Crawford had some good moments but was often overrated by quite a few fans on this board for his entire career. When he was good it was inflated to elite and when not so good it was deemed good.... and when he was bad and let in too many softies, well, the excuses were many.

That's not a fact at all. You never liked him and let that cloud your view of him, that's a fact.

Some good moments.... lol

 

[BobbyJet]

That's not a fact at all. You never liked him and let that cloud your view of him, that's a fact.

Some good moments.... lol

All average goalies have some good moments and some not-so-good moments.

 

[BK]

All average goalies have some good moments and some not-so-good moments.

Are you actually trying to claim Crow was average?

 

[RayP]

All average goalies have some good moments and some not-so-good moments.

"average" my ass. He was very, very good. Never quite hit elite or bonafide top 3 in the league but he was close. The only time he really disappointed and let Hawks fans down was during that Arizona playoff series. Had Torres not tried to decapitate Hossa on the ice they might have even still managed to win that series.

He had a better career save % and GAA than Esposito, Belfour, and Hall. Obviously different eras, but it still counts for something.

He was downright dominant in the 2013 Cup run and he was great in the 2015 Cup run.

Why you still talk shit about him yet advocated for guys like Darling to be extended while sending Crawford packing, I'll never understand.

 

[Illinihockey]

Crawford is one of the 3 best goalies in the organizations history and probably top 2. Imagine thinking he was anywhere close to average

 

[Hawkaholic]

All average goalies have some good moments and some not-so-good moments.

You suck at evaluating goalies. Kind of like how Darling should have been kept instead of Crawford....Lol

 

[Pez68]

All average goalies have some good moments and some not-so-good moments.

How is Scott Darling doing? Oh, he's not playing in the NHL anymore? You don't say.

 

[coolhand]

The Hawks are having success now because the country cub mentality is gone. The kids are playing hard and with energy. Is it because JC is putting HIS team on the ice now and not Q's?

 

[Malaka]

So now people are switching on Crawford and he now a gutless ******?

Crawford was pretty good but not elite imo

Top 20% YOY from 2013 on he was an elite tendy