Realistically... A coach can't last beyond 20 games if his team only wins 3 games...

[jBuds]

So are you expecting to read about Moulson jumping off a bridge in a few days or what?

Why would he attempt suicide?

Wouldn't he be better off playing here while miserable and collecting his money?

I don't get it.

 

[jBuds]

OP edited...

 

[RazielMoshman]

Lets say he is fired.....

Who would want to replace him? Do you think the team will all of a sudden become a playoff team?

How much has Darcy told Rolston not to win this year and to do everything possible to tank.

If both were to be fired I'd want a GM who was more open, public and honest than Regier and wasn't afraid to make trades that might be dangerous. Regier won't move anyone unless he gets over market value (which often leads to no move at all). I know it seems odd but what about Burke?

I'd want a coach who was good at motivation, good with young players and had experience at every level, including success. Dineen is good but the Panthers had 1 good year and 2 awful years. Lavoiette (sp?)?

I don't know names to be honest, but a former NHL level coach would be nice.

 

[dotcommunism]

Regier won't move anyone unless he gets over market value

Ah, well that explains why Regier didn't trade Derek Roy or Andrej Sekera

 

[RazielMoshman]

Ah, well that explains why Regier didn't trade Derek Roy or Andrej Sekera

He got a offensive minded promising defenseman (Darcy's partial to those) and a high 2nd rounder for Sekera and he got Ott for Roy, another deal lopsided in our favour seeing as they got tired of Roy after 30 games and Ott is our captain.

I'm not doubting his ability to make deals like that. In fact for an already successful team I'm sure he'd be a good assistant GM, especially specialising on the draft. I'm saying his time here is up as we've gone from bad to worse since Darcy got a budget.

 

[McCauleyChirps]

He got a offensive minded promising defenseman (Darcy's partial to those) and a high 2nd rounder for Sekera and he got Ott for Roy, another deal lopsided in our favour seeing as they got tired of Roy after 30 games and Ott is our captain.

I'm not doubting his ability to make deals like that. In fact for an already successful team I'm sure he'd be a good assistant GM, especially specialising on the draft. I'm saying his time here is up as we've gone from bad to worse since Darcy got a budget.

Sekera wasn't?

 

[zero39]

The Ott-Roy deal was lopsided in our favor? Roy, for all of his flaws, was our #1 center, a 70-point per season player who could play power play and the penalty kill. Ott, who has been as overrated as any player that I have seen in Buffalo, is basically a third line agitator who seems to have already checked out this season.

 

[RazielMoshman]

Sekera wasn't?

He was. But Regier also got a 2nd rounder, making it a deal in our favour. Again, this really isn't the point I'm making.

 

[haseoke39]

He was. But Regier also got a 2nd rounder, making it a deal in our favour. Again, this really isn't the point I'm making.

Darcy lost value on both the Roy and Sekera trades. That's pretty clear. Acting like Sekera = McBain is just comical. He traded Sekera for a second rounder and a guy who ought to be in the AHL, i.e., nothing. He traded our best center for a third liner. Darcy made losing deals because, with Roy, he wanted to shake up the team's identity, and with Sekera, he wanted to secure the tank while adding a bit of future value in Compher.

Those are losing deals that you can rationalize for other reasons, but you can't make the argument that Darcy never loses trades.

 

[joshjull]

Darcy lost value on both the Roy and Sekera trades. That's pretty clear. Acting like Sekera = McBain is just comical. He traded Sekera for a second rounder and a guy who ought to be in the AHL, i.e., nothing. He traded our best center for a third liner. Darcy made losing deals because, with Roy, he wanted to shake up the team's identity, and with Sekera, he wanted to secure the tank while adding a bit of future value in Compher.

Those are losing deals that you can rationalize for other reasons, but you can't make the argument that Darcy never loses trades.

I agree with this with one minor tweak. They were targeting Compher and were willing to overpay to ensure getting the pick to get him. That said your overall points stand.

 

[joshjull]

Missed the entire point baby, ships sinking fast and there's not a thing we can do about it, so you pretend to know that I support Rolston and this product, I'll be here in my sexy Kimono waiting out the storm

Well played sir

 

[joshjull]

Rolston should be fired, but whoever they bring in is gonna lose

and this thread will be remade for that guy

It won't be made by the OP of this thread. Jbuds is a coach as are a few others that have a huge issues with how Rolston is handling things, particularly with the young players.

I think some on here dimiss any criticism of Rolston or calls for his head based in the bolded. Now I agree some on here will call for the head of anyone that coaches this team because they will be a losing team. But some of us see some glaring problems with Rolston.

When Rolston came in last season the basic structure and systems of the team were already put in place by Ruff and his staff. The compressed schedule last season prevented Rolston from implementing any changes to our basic set up. All he could do is tweak the lineup, give players clearly defined roles and hold players more accountable with ice time. It led to a more structured lineup, more defined roles for the players and a bit of success. It helped some players start to get back on track like Myers and Foligno at the end of the year. Things like a defensive line (Ott/Porter/Flynn) that took some of the defensive pressure off of Hodgson and Ennis. Or Myers/Ehrhoff as the top minute eating pair seemed to re-energize Myers.

Now this year with all vestiges of Ruff's structure and systems gone we have Rolston's approach fully implemented and its horrendous to watch. I was excited this summer to see Rolston implement the things he did a bit of at the end of last season and the players talked about helping them at the end of last season. Those things being a more structured lineup and accountability throughout the lineup. He also had talked about clearly defined roles for the players and more open communication. Part of that is putting players in roles that make sense for them and give them a better chance to succeed and part of that is explaining to players why he is doing things. Based on the interviews with players that get benched or put in the press box there is very little communication going on.

I've seen very little of the things Rolston was supposedly going to bring being done at all.

 

[jBuds]

It won't be made by the OP of this thread. Jbuds is a coach as are a few others that have a huge issues with how Rolston is handling things, particularly with the young players.

I think some on here dimiss any criticism of Rolston or calls for his head based in the bolded. Now I agree some on here will call for the head of anyone that coaches this team because they will be a losing team. But some of us see some glaring problems with Rolston.

When Rolston came in last season the basic structure and systems of the team were already put in place by Ruff and his staff. The compressed schedule last season prevented Rolston from implementing any changes to our basic set up. All he could do is tweak the lineup, give players clearly defined roles and hold players more accountable with ice time. It led to a more structured lineup, more defined roles for the players and a bit of success. It helped some players start to get back on track like Myers and Foligno at the end of the year. Things like a defensive line (Ott/Porter/Flynn) that took some of the defensive pressure off of Hodgson and Ennis. Or Myers/Ehrhoff as the top minute eating pair seemed to re-energize Myers.

Now this year with all vestiges of Ruff's structure and systems gone we have Rolston's approach fully implemented and its horrendous to watch. I was excited this summer to see Rolston implement the things he did a bit of at the end of last season and the players talked about helping them at the end of last season. Those things being a more structured lineup and accountability throughout the lineup. He also had talked about clearly defined roles for the players and more open communication. Part of that is putting players in roles that make sense for them and give them a better chance to succeed and part of that is explaining to players why he is doing things. Based on the interviews with players that get benched or put in the press box there is very little communication going on.

I've seen very little of the things Rolston was supposedly going to bring being done at all.

Yeah... good post.

This is far from a case of "complaining just to complain"...there are things that are blatantly wrong and glaring

 

[RazielMoshman]

Darcy lost value on both the Roy and Sekera trades. That's pretty clear. Acting like Sekera = McBain is just comical. He traded Sekera for a second rounder and a guy who ought to be in the AHL, i.e., nothing. He traded our best center for a third liner. Darcy made losing deals because, with Roy, he wanted to shake up the team's identity, and with Sekera, he wanted to secure the tank while adding a bit of future value in Compher.

Those are losing deals that you can rationalize for other reasons, but you can't make the argument that Darcy never loses trades.

I'm not at all. My point is that his a bad GM but would probably make a generally good assistant. I see Regier as the issue, not (entirely) Rolston so I'm not sure what point you think you're disagreeing with me on. I assumed I'd made that clear as it's pretty much what I say in every post.

The Roy point is invalid as Roy was our only centre at the time and had an attitude problem. Also note his been a journeyman since leaving here.

Sekera was overvalued by the fans much like Ott was before he got here. McBain has promise and sucked last season for whatever reason but I guarantee one thing: His got more potential as an offensive D than Sekera had when he left. Anyway, as stated it was Compher we were after.

I'm happy with both trades but I still want the GM who made them out. Rolston would probably go as well and I have no problem with that as he was promoted to fast, too early.

 

[Chainshot]

It won't be made by the OP of this thread. Jbuds is a coach as are a few others that have a huge issues with how Rolston is handling things, particularly with the young players.

I think some on here dimiss any criticism of Rolston or calls for his head based in the bolded. Now I agree some on here will call for the head of anyone that coaches this team because they will be a losing team. But some of us see some glaring problems with Rolston.

When Rolston came in last season the basic structure and systems of the team were already put in place by Ruff and his staff. The compressed schedule last season prevented Rolston from implementing any changes to our basic set up. All he could do is tweak the lineup, give players clearly defined roles and hold players more accountable with ice time. It led to a more structured lineup, more defined roles for the players and a bit of success. It helped some players start to get back on track like Myers and Foligno at the end of the year. Things like a defensive line (Ott/Porter/Flynn) that took some of the defensive pressure off of Hodgson and Ennis. Or Myers/Ehrhoff as the top minute eating pair seemed to re-energize Myers.

Now this year with all vestiges of Ruff's structure and systems gone we have Rolston's approach fully implemented and its horrendous to watch. I was excited this summer to see Rolston implement the things he did a bit of at the end of last season and the players talked about helping them at the end of last season. Those things being a more structured lineup and accountability throughout the lineup. He also had talked about clearly defined roles for the players and more open communication. Part of that is putting players in roles that make sense for them and give them a better chance to succeed and part of that is explaining to players why he is doing things. Based on the interviews with players that get benched or put in the press box there is very little communication going on.

I've seen very little of the things Rolston was supposedly going to bring being done at all.

Agreed. The positive steps they took at the end of last season -- bouyed by the goaltending having an unsustainably high ES save percentage -- have evaporated. Logical accountability has gone out the windows and off the roof. D-zone structure is so lacking I wonder at any sort of implementation. Clearly he's not working with players on what he wants them to do in a constructive fashion as has been pointed out by various player quotes (Girgensons comment about "making plays" regardless of what they were being told sticks out). Losing happens and this talent-light team is going to lose games.

But they could be working on fundementals that build habits for the future. Instead, they appear disorganized, demoralized and checked out. I fear for what habits some of the kids are going to pick up as this season progresses.

 

[Crazy Tasty]

If both were to be fired I'd want a GM who was more open, public and honest than Regier and wasn't afraid to make trades that might be dangerous. Regier won't move anyone unless he gets over market value (which often leads to no move at all). I know it seems odd but what about Burke?

I'd want a coach who was good at motivation, good with young players and had experience at every level, including success. Dineen is good but the Panthers had 1 good year and 2 awful years. Lavoiette (sp?)?

I don't know names to be honest, but a former NHL level coach would be nice.

I'm not at all. My point is that his a bad GM but would probably make a generally good assistant. I see Regier as the issue, not (entirely) Rolston so I'm not sure what point you think you're disagreeing with me on. I assumed I'd made that clear as it's pretty much what I say in every post.

The Roy point is invalid as Roy was our only centre at the time and had an attitude problem. Also note his been a journeyman since leaving here.

Sekera was overvalued by the fans much like Ott was before he got here. McBain has promise and sucked last season for whatever reason but I guarantee one thing: His got more potential as an offensive D than Sekera had when he left. Anyway, as stated it was Compher we were after.

I'm happy with both trades but I still want the GM who made them out. Rolston would probably go as well and I have no problem with that as he was promoted to fast, too early.

But... that's exactly what you are saying.
Reiger didn't get market value for Roy or for Sekera.

 

[Ralonzo]

I've been watching pro sports avidly since the mid-70's and I can't think of any other coach for any team that I've followed who is even in the same league of awfulness as Rolston.

Rolston is the Kay Stephenson of hockey. Joe Sacco is the Hank Bullough.

After serving as a quarterbacks coach the previous season, Stephenson succeeded Chuck Knox as Buffalo Bills head coach on February 3, 1984. Stephenson was reportedly surprised to get the job, claiming that Bills owner Ralph Wilson "never explained his reasons for selecting me." Under Stephenson, the Bills went 8-8 in 1983, 2-14 in 1984, and after losing the first four games of 1985, Stephenson was replaced by Hank Bullough.

But keep in mind, if it wasn't for Kay Stephenson and Hank Bullough, the Bills would never have had Bruce Smith.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Mike Harrington has questions:
@BNHarrington

Chew on this Rolston nugget: He has two regulation wins -- two! -- in his last 24 games. And he's still employed. #Sabres #suffering

 

[jBuds]

HES TRYING TO GET FIRED

Ott on the first line, ennis at center, and Larsson rotating in?

What a crumbbum.

SELFIE !!!!

 

[dugman]

Dineen already has Sabres garments he could wear... just sayin'

 

[Jim Bob]

Mike Harrington has questions:
@BNHarrington

Chew on this Rolston nugget: He has two regulation wins -- two! -- in his last 24 games. And he's still employed. #Sabres #suffering

Maybe, just maybe, he's still employed because he's not being judged on his Win/Loss record.

 

[Jeremy2020]

How can you possibly be willing to just let it go? Wow. I wish you were my boss.

Rolston is performing his job very well. His job is to lose and he is excelling at it.

 

[AirBriere48]

Maybe, just maybe, he's still employed because he's not being judged on his Win/Loss record.

I don't think he is being judged by any measure, frankly. The point, clearly, is to obtain the 1st overall pick this year. Everything else, from Regier's perspective, seems to be immaterial. He will be disposed of either in the offseason or next year.

 

[Duddy]

Imagine the outcry on this board, if they bring in a new coach, start to win more games and miss out on the top 3-5?


You have to be as horrible as possible to suffer. We're on our way.

 

[SabresFan26]

Imagine the outcry on this board, if they bring in a new coach, start to win more games and miss out on the top 3-5?


You have to be as horrible as possible to suffer. We're on our way.

Duddy providing some rational thinking! Patience Sabres fans, patience