Re-sign Andersen?

[I am Canadian]

Trade him on draft day along with Kerfoot, Kapanen and Johnsson

Bring in cheap two-way forwards and a good shutdown D.
Sing Pietrangelo.

It's not that easy unless our valuations of Pietrangelo are different. a good shutdown D we don't have space for. If we use Holl in that spot the roster I created COULD fit Pietrangelo

We would need a plan for a goalie that makes like 3.5M which is hard to find I guess. Maybe we could dump Andersen, trade for Georgiev and run with this roster? It's hard to find cheaper bottom 6 forwards than I posted there.

 

[Cams]

The only way to move on is to have someone that can replace him. Is Woll or Scott #1 material? Is Campbell? Campbell was picked #10 or something overall, and he looked good when he was in the net. I really don't see Andersen being the #1 priority in terms of "fixing".

Do we know Murray is even available? They can't be going an tossing in a 1st rd pick again to acquire a goaltender unless you are getting the second coming of a prime Brodeur or Price that isn't costing $9M +/yr. Even then....you have to look at the teams defensive structure (I know.....there isn't one), as it may not really matter who the goaltender is.

I'm sure it's on managements list of things to look at this offseason.

 

[Cams]

It's not that easy unless our valuations of Pietrangelo are different. a good shutdown D we don't have space for. If we use Holl in that spot the roster I created COULD fit Pietrangelo

We would need a plan for a goalie that makes like 3.5M which is hard to find I guess. Maybe we could dump Andersen, trade for Georgiev and run with this roster? It's hard to find cheaper bottom 6 forwards than I posted there.

What's the cost to get Manson....not that he is available.......

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Move him before the season starts, and trade for Murray.

Use a goalie tandem of Murray and Campbell.

Actually, Murray might be a great "buy low" option. Solid suggestion.

 

[GQS]

I can't believe over half voted to move him before the season starts. That's a pretty big overreaction.

Its pretty far from 'overreaction' when Freddy's had 4 full seasons to show that he can be a great goalie that can rise to the occasion and carry this team when needed and so far he's NEVER come close to showing that. He's a solid goalie who lets in a soft goal every so often and that's it. There's no extra gear, no next level no nothing with Freddy. No matter how much we wish he had that next gear, he just doesn't have it.

And the thing I dislike most is how pampered Freddy is and how much we have to lie to ourselves that he's an elite goalie when he's not. Everytime Freddy has a solid game, all the media guys have to gush all over him like he played amazing and most times he sucked, there was always someone ready to make excuses for him. And I'm SO TIRED of seeing highlight packages of Freddy making decent, solid saves and having guys like Hrudy, McLennan, O'Neil etc. making it sound like he made some spectacular highlight reel saves or something.

If he's traded before the season starts, then that means the starter is either Campbell, a platoon with Campbell, or Robin Lehner. I don't like those options.

I will happily go with a platoon of Campbell/Lehner or Campbell with anyone else than have another season of Freddy being our #1 option. I would rather give Campbell and whoever replaces Freddy a chance to fight for the #1 goalie spot than see another frustrating season of Freddy in net. Maybe that completely fails and neither Campbell or his platoon partner show that they're good enough to be a good #1 for the Leafs, but I'd rather try that than hope that Freddy magically becomes great and clutch after not showing it for the previous 4 years and then worst case scenario Dubas resigns him based off that one good year.

 

[Bomber0104]

Actually, Murray might be a great "buy low" option. Solid suggestion.

If you guys don't like Andersen, you'll hate Matt Murray.

A vastly better defensive team in Pittsburgh can't even make him look good and they've given Jarry and DeSmith every opportunity in the world to displace him from the starting role.

 

[Menzinger]

I'd move him, because I'd like the team to move towards a tandem system and he doesn't seem like the type to do well in that setup

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Leafs need a new Cujo.

A goalie who can be a sitting duck behind an offense first team and make lots of saves and critical timely ones, with a personality that can deal with the media.

So you want a top 5 goalie? That's gonna cost you a core piece. You aren't finding them in the bargain bin. You can only find good system goalies if you want to go cheap; but then you need to change your system.

 

[BlueBaron]

I have mixed feelings. Maybe we should trade him and have a retool year while we get our Cap in order and we develop our top prospects.

Something has to change, this is too frustrating.

@Brobust I don't think Hyman is the problem, we need more guys like him.

 

[Brobust]

I have mixed feelings. Maybe we should trade him and have a retool year while we get our Cap in order and we develop our top prospects.

Something has to change, this is too frustrating.

@Brobust I don't think Hyman is the problem, we need more guys like him.

I never said Hyman is a problem. They either trade him now for a late 1st or lose him at the end of next season for nothing.

I guess having picks and more than 2 legit prospects at a time is something people just aren't interested in.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If you guys don't like Andersen, you'll hate Matt Murray.

A vastly better defensive team in Pittsburgh can't even make him look good and they've given Jarry and DeSmith every opportunity in the world to displace him from the starting role.

Pitt sucks defensively ... much like us ... but if we swop goalies and can save on CAP then it should be a done deal ... if we have to eat a long term winger deal then forget it ... Pitt and us are in da worst shape on CAP in league

 

[8816 others]

Get what you can for him. We let JVR, Bozak, Komarov, etc walk for nothing. Barrie is about to walk. Yet the prospect cupboards are bare.

 

[Buds17]

I'd move him, because I'd like the team to move towards a tandem system and he doesn't seem like the type to do well in that setup

Fair assessment. Campbell should definitely be able to play more than any of the other goalies have in the Andersen era. Identifying the 1A to Campbell's 1B (IMO at least) will be the key here.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I think we know who he is at this point so no further evaluation is necessary. I think it comes down to who's available as a replacement, likely running a 1A and 1B set up with Campbell.

I'm open to moving him for the cap savings and to get an asset back Can't see him being re-signed.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

If you guys don't like Andersen, you'll hate Matt Murray.

A vastly better defensive team in Pittsburgh can't even make him look good and they've given Jarry and DeSmith every opportunity in the world to displace him from the starting role.

Quite possibly.

He's a 26-year old with 2 Stanley Cups to his name who is on the outs with his current team and may just need a fresh change of scenery. He's due for a new contract, but he'll probably be in line to sign a 2-year "show me" deal at a depressed price. Maybe he flames out like Cam Ward. Maybe he rediscovers some of his old magic. If the price is right, meaning as relatively low as you can buy him, it might be worth the gamble.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Quite possibly.

He's a 26-year old with 2 Stanley Cups to his name who is on the outs with his current team and may just need a fresh change of scenery. He's due for a new contract, but he'll probably be in line to sign a 2-year "show me" deal at a depressed price. Maybe he flames out like Cam Ward. Maybe he rediscovers some of his old magic. If the price is right, meaning as relatively low as you can buy him, it might be worth the gamble.

The Toronto market isn't the place for goalies to just figure it out unfortunately. Intense scrutiny and pressure, especially now, to win.

Not opposed to Murray but I have my doubts with him.

 

[BlueBaron]

I never said Hyman is a problem. They either trade him now for a late 1st or lose him at the end of next season for nothing.

I guess having picks and more than 2 legit prospects at a time is something people just aren't interested in.

You are assuming we don't extend him which is odd.

I understand what you are saying but there are less important pieces that cost more that can be moved. AJ has to be first one on the bye bye list with NP ready to be a top 9 LW.

I suspect there will be a lot of transactions this summer.

 

[Buds17]

Dubas thought Garret Sparks and Michael Hutchinson were an upgrade of our backup goalie position.

I agree we need a replacement plan if Leafs move on from Freddy, but holy hell in a hand basket Batman this could turn out really badly as we're talking our starter here, after watching the 2 year debacle that happened to our backup position.

I can already see were this would be heading.. Dubas relies on stats and analytics to make hockey decisions and so he will seek a goalie with strong #'s behind a solid defensive team system and then hope those will translate to similar #'s for the Leafs with their offense first hockey system.

Fair to say that backup goalie was a rough patch for Dubas for quite some time. Hopefully that is in the past now with the addition of Campbell. Dubas hasn't had to look for that starter/1A type goalie as of yet. I guess the jury is still out on that for the time being.

 

[Al14]

How anyone can defend Andersen with these stats is beyond me. Even with our poor D lineup.

Frederik Andersen: Last 8 potential series clinching games record 0-8 GAA 3.49 SV% .877.

Our D was good enough to get our Leafs to the series clinching games, the goaltending has failed consistently.!!!.

 

[nuck]

If I were to venture a guess, I'd say $6.25 to $6.75 million a year. He'd likely look for a 4-year deal, but will have to settle for 2/3 years.

I don't think he gets that. There will be a ton of goalies on the move because of the X draft so UFA salaries will be down before you even consider the flat cap. I don't think he takes a two year deal, just because of his age. Maybe 3 for better money. The problem is, unless his agent confirms to the club his expectations are really modest or he gets to UFA and finds little real interest the Leafs can't gamble on him being a cap friendly re-sign. Makes so much more sense to move him now if they can find a replacement for less than they can get for him..

I think they can win with Freddy but I believe they can likely win just as much with a goalie who is younger and will sign for a bit less. They need some club friendly deals for a change.

 

[nuck]

I think maybe we should take a good look at Campbell while we have Andersen this season.
I mean what’s your backup/2 goalie plan.

It would probably be a bad day for Dubas if he traded Andy for another skilled forward and we miss the playoffs.

Some real question marks but they need to see whats there.

PLAYER	TEAM	AGE	POS	HANDED	GP	G	A	P	P/GP	+/-	Sh	Sh%	TOI	W	L	SO	GAA	Sv%	CLAUSE	EXPIRY	CAP HIT	SALARY
1. Braden Holtby	WSH	30	G	Left	48	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	25	14	0	3.11	.898	M-NTC	UFA	$6,100,000	$5,000,000
2. Corey Crawford	CHI	35	G	Left	40	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	16	20	1	2.77	.917	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$6,000,000	$5,000,000
3. Robin Lehner	VGK	28	G	Left	36	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	19	10	1	2.89	.920		UFA	$5,000,000	$5,000,000
4. Craig Anderson	OTT	39	G	Left	34	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	11	17	0	3.25	.902	M-NTC	UFA	$4,750,000	$4,000,000
7. Jacob Markström	VAN	30	G	Right	43	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	23	16	2	2.75	.918		UFA	$3,666,667	$4,000,000
8. Thomas Greiss	NYI	34	G	Left	31	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	16	9	0	2.75	.913		UFA	$3,333,333	$3,750,000
9. Cam Talbot	CGY	32	G	Left	26	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	12	10	2	2.64	.919		UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
10. Anton Khudobin	DAL	34	G	Left	30	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	16	8	0	2.22	.930		UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500

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[TheTotalPackage]

The Toronto market isn't the place for goalies to just figure it out unfortunately. Intense scrutiny and pressure, especially now, to win.

Not opposed to Murray but I have my doubts with him.

Therein lies the dilemma because this just limits the options. Well, this being from the perspective you think this team is built to take the next step and/or can and should contend for the Stanley Cup, thus they can't afford to piss away any season by letting a goalie "grow with the team".

So you don't want to rely on a bounce back candidate, you don't want to trade for a team's backup thinking he is the next big thing (Toskala skeletons there), you are unlikely to sign a quality goalie without paying through your nose, and the same holds true in the trade market.

 

[Stephen]

Leafs need a new Cujo.

A goalie who can be a sitting duck behind an offense first team and make lots of saves and critical timely ones, with a personality that can deal with the media.

So, Jordan Binnington.

 

[Mess]

Some real question marks but they need to see whats there.

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Robin Lehner is already on the Leafs payroll while winning games for Vegas now.

I wonder if Leaf fans know that, that he was passed through the Leafs on TD day and now is a part of Leafs retained salary.

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Leafs are paying $1.1 mil doing Vegas a favour.

Maybe should have kept him and passed Andersen along instead.

 

[Stephen]

Some real question marks but they need to see whats there.

PLAYER	TEAM	AGE	POS	HANDED	GP	G	A	P	P/GP	+/-	Sh	Sh%	TOI	W	L	SO	GAA	Sv%	CLAUSE	EXPIRY	CAP HIT	SALARY
1. Braden Holtby	WSH	30	G	Left	48	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	25	14	0	3.11	.898	M-NTC	UFA	$6,100,000	$5,000,000
2. Corey Crawford	CHI	35	G	Left	40	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	16	20	1	2.77	.917	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$6,000,000	$5,000,000
3. Robin Lehner	VGK	28	G	Left	36	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	19	10	1	2.89	.920		UFA	$5,000,000	$5,000,000
4. Craig Anderson	OTT	39	G	Left	34	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	11	17	0	3.25	.902	M-NTC	UFA	$4,750,000	$4,000,000
5. Jimmy Howard	DET	36	G	Left	27	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	23	0	4.20	.883		UFA	$4,000,000	$4,000,000
7. Jacob Markström	VAN	30	G	Right	43	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	23	16	2	2.75	.918		UFA	$3,666,667	$4,000,000
8. Thomas Greiss	NYI	34	G	Left	31	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	16	9	0	2.75	.913		UFA	$3,333,333	$3,750,000
9. Cam Talbot	CGY	32	G	Left	26	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	12	10	2	2.64	.919		UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
10. Anton Khudobin	DAL	34	G	Left	30	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	16	8	0	2.22	.930		UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500

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I think Holtby, Lehner and Markstrom could be interesting, but risky given the cap investment.

I would also like to see our pro scouting flex their muscles a bit and look at guys like Korpisalo, Merzlikins, Georgiev, Sorokin, Tarasov, to find a younger cheaper guy who can be a Moneyball goalie.