Machinehead
GoAwayTrouba
Richards is still producing. Short memory on the Christensen at 1C days around here.
Post-Game Talk: Rangers vs. Pens | 1/20/13
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Richards is still producing. Short memory on the Christensen at 1C days around here.
Not given up just stAting what appears to be facts . Giving up on him would be saying to trade him along with someone else for say Jamie Benn . It took Blake Wheeler a few years to put it together and I expec the same thing from CK . Another reality of NYR is they play fora coach and in a system and a style that demands high energy and high level of fitness . Both of which NYR DOnt have as a team right now due to circumstance of the lockout . Last season NYR owned second half of games and were able to play their punishing forechecking style . Over all despite adding NASH who is a terrific one on one player as a group the Rangers skill level dropped losing DUBI AND AA and inserting CK who is going to go through growing pains , which NYR fans nor coaching and GM might necessarily have the time to sit along idly watching .
If the sloppy undisciplined play continues and NYR go 1w 6 losses in January I expect NYR making a move to bring in a couple veterans sooner than later to add to the top 6 .
Machinehead
GoAwayTrouba
I think because Boyle is 6'7" people expect him to have 20 hits, injure 3 people, and get in 7 fights every night, and then blow up a helicopter or something like Bruce Willis in Die Hard. And he has to score 4 goals too, because he's big and therefore unstoppable.
haveandare
Registered User
Yeah, losing a center will definitely improve the lineup. The imaginary center that we don't have will be much better than Boyle.
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
Actually im glad they lost how they lost. If they lost like they did giving their all, then id be worried.
Rangers will be fine and were gonna win the you know what. Have no fear. The prophet has spoken.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Hey, at least I'm not criticizing Boyle for not taking a run at Orpik after that hit. That's just a load of bull to me.
Lion Hound
@JoeTucc26
Staal had a beauty of a hit in the Boston game. I believe Girardi did as well.
But, in the first two games of the season here there were two nasty hits on key members of this team. On Saturday Lucic took a serious run ad Hagelin. Hit him from behind. Guy was lucky he didnt get a concussion. Actually reminded me alot of the hit from Hagelin on Alfie in the playoffs. Nothing was done other than some words on the bench. Lucic ended up getting a misconduct for whatever he said. Nothing was done. I guess, in the casse of Lucic who is going to take him on anyway? Rupp? I know what Adam Graves would have done in that scenario. At the time of this hit it was a 2-1 game. Guess timing could have played into decision to NOT stand up for Hagelin. <--But...there is a difference on this one. Something that may be harder to answer the bell to. Lucic is a top 6 player. When you have a guy that can play top 6 and impose thier will, it's not as easy to just send out a 4th liner against. Most teams don't want that matchup in a game. Top line against a 4th line.
Yesterday it happened again. This time though game was already out of hand on the scoreboard. Yes, a player would have risked suspension, and or fine or whatever. But...that was a 21 year old kid out there. A kid who this entire board voted for as the top prospect in the system. Clean hit or not, it can't happen without a teammate standing up for him.
Torts is anti-retaliation. Hates that stuff. That's why Avery isn't on the team anymore. Torts is more of a turn the other cheek guy.
Come on Lion lets hop off this bench and start a good ole fashion brawl. Make sure to pummel Orpik and get some shots in on Crosby. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
BlueshirtBlitz
Foolish Samurai
BB is absolutely right. Once we're winning, half the doom and gloom posters won't even be posting anymore.
Same **** happened last year.
Same **** happened last year.
I may sound like a broken record, but it isn't really a personnel problem. Its a coaching/system issue.
The Rangers overuse the stretch pass breakout. You got your Dmen in the zone and wings moving up WAY too far in the neutral zone.
Even if our guys get hit with passes, they typically have no momentum or any space to do anything with it.
Torts is to blame for this.
Avery isn't on te team not because of anti retaliation . Avery played an undisciplined style at times taking minors as well as bad turnovers . torts also dodnt like his cicus act attitude both on and off the ice. meanwhile Brad Richards and Henke hour two stars lives the guy . One of the reasons OTT took so much out of NYR last playoffs was because Chris Neil I posed his will on us and in all fairness in all 3 playoff series AVERY probably would have helped the NYR .
Paul Maclean as well as Dale Hunter and Deboer all owned Torts . Only reason NYR went as far and will go as far is on HENKE .WHEN HENKE is average NYR suck . When HENKE IS WHAT he is a vezina trophy winner NYR always stand a chance
Lion Hound
@JoeTucc26
If that was the playoffs would you say the same thing?
If Kreider was concussed would you say the same thing?
Guess its OK to take liberties? Hey it's not like they did it in our own house or anything.
getting hit in a hockey game is taking liberties, it's part of the game. If they are going to stop and fight every time a good check is thrown they might as well rename the NHL as UFC as there will be the same amount of fights.
Kreider got hit, big deal, just play the damn game...
Lion Hound
@JoeTucc26
Getting run when there a minute left in a blowout on a rookie is taking liberties. Lets not sugarcoat it.
Getting run into the boards head first from behind is taking liberties.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
If one of our defensemen laid that kind of hit on Crosby in the final minutes of a blowout game, the Pens would have been out for blood.
Meh, agree to disagree.
Also, we should sugarcoat everything as sugar is awesome....
Jim Ramsay
Registered User
Some of my observations after the first 2 games...
-The checking and defensive zone coverage don't seem anywhere near the level it was at last year
-As much as I like Bickel he really hasn't shown anything the first 2 games. I admire his willingness to drop the gloves, but he just simply isn't capable of doing any thing else. As soon as I saw he and Del Zotto were a starting pair the first game I knew it wouldn't bode well. Time to put Eminger in
-Why do they continuously do the no-look behind the back passes??? It gets so irritating to watch it result in a turnover. I saw Gaborik do it once and Callahan/Richards both do it twice.... I was torts I would be livid.
-Two games in a row they have taken a penalty very early in the game, if I were coach and a player did it next game they wouldn't see the ice for the rest of the period.
-Second line hasn't shown anything. I haven't even noticed Gaborik or Stepan generating ANYTHING.
-I would seriously just try Halpern on the third line center over Boyle, I know he's old but Halpern always seemed to be responsible with the puck. He had just a few less assists than Boyle last year but also played 13 fewer games.... might be worth a try
-Its unfortunate that Kreider had to get hit like that, but I don't thing retaliation would have done any thing. The hit was clean and I can only hope it serves as a wake up call to Krieder that he has to pay a little bit more attention when crossing over the blue line.
-The checking and defensive zone coverage don't seem anywhere near the level it was at last year
-As much as I like Bickel he really hasn't shown anything the first 2 games. I admire his willingness to drop the gloves, but he just simply isn't capable of doing any thing else. As soon as I saw he and Del Zotto were a starting pair the first game I knew it wouldn't bode well. Time to put Eminger in
-Why do they continuously do the no-look behind the back passes??? It gets so irritating to watch it result in a turnover. I saw Gaborik do it once and Callahan/Richards both do it twice.... I was torts I would be livid.
-Two games in a row they have taken a penalty very early in the game, if I were coach and a player did it next game they wouldn't see the ice for the rest of the period.
-Second line hasn't shown anything. I haven't even noticed Gaborik or Stepan generating ANYTHING.
-I would seriously just try Halpern on the third line center over Boyle, I know he's old but Halpern always seemed to be responsible with the puck. He had just a few less assists than Boyle last year but also played 13 fewer games.... might be worth a try
-Its unfortunate that Kreider had to get hit like that, but I don't thing retaliation would have done any thing. The hit was clean and I can only hope it serves as a wake up call to Krieder that he has to pay a little bit more attention when crossing over the blue line.
Leetch66
Registered User
I was wondering the same thing ! You should be allowed your say...no matter whether we win lose or draw or if it is game 1 or game 80 . It is a discussion forum .
Everyone needs to step back from the ledge
Did you all really think that the Rangers would come out and dominate?
Have you been following this team at all in the last couple of years?
Here's the truth as I see it:
The style of play that the Rangers have embraced needs two things to work: conditioning and creativity.
Conditioning issues: Only four Rangers players took their trade overseas during the lockout. They only had 5 days together before being tossed in front of two major players in the East in back to back nights. Of course it's going to be sloppy. Of course it's going to look like they have no timing, and as a result the Rangers got their tails handed to them. One of the players that didn't play? Henrik Lundqvist. OF COURSE he won't be able to track the puck well in traffic.
Creativity: Timing and anticipation aren't there because they had no time to remind each other that they weren't going to be there for blind passes. The best showing of Rangers skill happened only in spurts and only when they kept it simple. Take a shot on net and cycle... not these blind passes.
The timing will come. The conditioning will come. The wins will come. Calm down.
Did you all really think that the Rangers would come out and dominate?
Have you been following this team at all in the last couple of years?
Here's the truth as I see it:
The style of play that the Rangers have embraced needs two things to work: conditioning and creativity.
Conditioning issues: Only four Rangers players took their trade overseas during the lockout. They only had 5 days together before being tossed in front of two major players in the East in back to back nights. Of course it's going to be sloppy. Of course it's going to look like they have no timing, and as a result the Rangers got their tails handed to them. One of the players that didn't play? Henrik Lundqvist. OF COURSE he won't be able to track the puck well in traffic.
Creativity: Timing and anticipation aren't there because they had no time to remind each other that they weren't going to be there for blind passes. The best showing of Rangers skill happened only in spurts and only when they kept it simple. Take a shot on net and cycle... not these blind passes.
The timing will come. The conditioning will come. The wins will come. Calm down.
Leetch66
Registered User
Torts put AA out against Tanner last night . He could have put a goalscorer in that spot as he has the last say in the starting line up and he choose AA...does not sound like he was turning the cheek on that one !
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I'm with Lion on this one. I was at the game live seeing this all unfold. My knee jerk reaction was that it was a headshot, but after watching replays, it wasn't as bad as I thought. Still, what bothers me is how Orpik felt it was needed in a 6-3 game that his team was winning to hit a 21 year old kid high and possibly injure him seriously. Stuff like this is why I hate the Penguins. What did Boyle do though? He skated right by without doing anything.
If I was a Ranger I would be insulted by Orpik's actions. It shows no respect for his fellow players at all, and frankly, he was being a bully. Suspension, fine, or not, you have to stick up for your teammates when players on the other team take "liberties" as you guys have been calling it. Sticking up for Kreider would have sent the message to the Penguins and the league that we're not going to take their ****.
I'm waiting for the hoarde of posters saying that Kreider should have kept his head up. Look closer, he had his head up the whole way. He saw Orpik coming and started to brace for the impact.
If I was a Ranger I would be insulted by Orpik's actions. It shows no respect for his fellow players at all, and frankly, he was being a bully. Suspension, fine, or not, you have to stick up for your teammates when players on the other team take "liberties" as you guys have been calling it. Sticking up for Kreider would have sent the message to the Penguins and the league that we're not going to take their ****.
I'm waiting for the hoarde of posters saying that Kreider should have kept his head up. Look closer, he had his head up the whole way. He saw Orpik coming and started to brace for the impact.
Lion Hound
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