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To be fair, Fiala and Kaprizov were already on separate lines in the first ~10 games of the season when Zuccarello was sidelined with injury.
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To be fair, Fiala and Kaprizov were already on separate lines in the first ~10 games of the season when Zuccarello was sidelined with injury.
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But Kaprizov and Fiala play together on the PP where a 1/4 of all Karpizov's points come from. I mean if someone is going to clain that Robertson is playing with the Stars best players to help pad his stats then the same can be said about Kaprizov and Fiala. Dude is a hypocrite extraordinaire which is why he has no rebuttal to it. Even if he commented he would just deflect and point fingers at Robertson.
MrHeiskanen
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I see what you are saying now, still seems hard to compare and compute given the nature of lines changing, lines being different for powerplays, etc.
For example, Pavelski has 20 powerplay points and had 15 points in the first 8 games.. before even playing with Robertson (pretty sure they didn't play together during that time).
Detailed look into it would be necessary rather than adding up total points now, and saying that it's a top heavy line.
I always assuming hockey fans from the State of Hockey would have some understanding of hockey. Being a member of this site a long time has taught me otherwise. That's what I get for assuming. Although I will admit that so many Stars fans not understanding what top-heavy means is also a bit baffling.
ThatGuy22
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Most top line players get 1/4 or more of their points on the PP. Nature of the beast. How Kaprizov scoring at top 10ish rate on the PP being a bad thing you'll have to let me know...
Dr Pepper
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He's certainly making the most of the opportunities given to him, can't hold that against the guy.
Nino Noderreiter
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A little bit hyperbole, but after watching Zuccarrello last year... I'm not sure it's that far from the truth in relation to what Kaprizov and Fiala are asked to do.
Yes, the Geek line is a great shutdown line that also provides secondary offense... but Fiala/Kaprizov don't play with them.
If Robertson plays with either Rask/Zucc or Sturm or Hartman/Johansson... his numbers get worse. If Kaprizov plays with Pavelski and Hintz, his numbers get better. It's really that simple.
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Only thing is Robertson doesn't get that PP time, or at least hasn't until recently. Now has 2 PP points in his last couple of games as a result since he got bumped up (with Klingberg out). Can't imagine where his point totals would be had he been on it sooner.
Most of the writers who vote on these things justify the votes after the fact, right? It'll be enlightening to see how their criteria line up with MIN and DAL fans' rationale.
Nino Noderreiter
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They've played together on the PP for ~10-15 games or so, before that they were largely split (and the Wild had a league history worst PP). Plus, I'm not sure how the argument that Kaprizov plays with Robertson level linemates for 2-4 minutes per game helps Robertson's argument.
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Minnesota fans are REALLY trashing their own team in this thread just to prove “Kaprizov is better”.
Talbot and Kahkonen, along with the worst division in the league are the biggest reasons as to why the Wild took a step forward this season.
Robertson’s emergence is going to be the biggest reason as to why Dallas is going to make the playoffs this season. Simple as that.
Talbot and Kahkonen, along with the worst division in the league are the biggest reasons as to why the Wild took a step forward this season.
Robertson’s emergence is going to be the biggest reason as to why Dallas is going to make the playoffs this season. Simple as that.
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ThatGuy22
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We just know what our team is. Great D, one hell of a checking line that can keep most top lines in check while scoring, and 2 great creative players left to play with 4th liners(one of them does get Zuc as well who is good).
keeneyedobserver
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I don't see why it's so important to win the Calder. It won't make any difference in how either team does this year, or in the future. I don't think either fan base would trade their guy for the other, so let's just celebrate the fact that we have two great young players who are going to be leading our teams for a while to come!
Based on pure skill and ability to make the most of it I think kaprizov will take it handily. I would add that finishing behind a player with his ability should not be considered insulting or disrespected.
MuckOG
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Couldn't you say the same thing about all individual awards? Why is it so important to win the Norris? Hart? Lady Byng? etc.
Spotty 2 Hotty
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Is there really an argument between Pavelski+Hintz vs Zuccarello+Rask? lol it seems pretty obvious which pair is better. The fact that Rask exists is enough to drag that side down into the negatives. People are actually kidding themselves if they think linemate quality doesn't strongly affect scoring.
Elysian
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Terrible defense by the Hurricanes, but watching this game, I will say that Robertson looks very smart out there. Always in a good spot.
Elysian
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Was pretty impressed with his backchecking not long after his goal, broke up a rush nicely.
Spotty 2 Hotty
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His intelligence is why he's had success despite not being very flashy; he and Heiskanen are probably our smartest players. I think that's why he started off slow, but once his thinking caught up to the speed of the NHL, he has been able to thrive.
