Completely agree. Unless they're planning on trading for a legit top 4 defenceman, which of course makes Cola expendable.
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Completely agree. Unless they're planning on trading for a legit top 4 defenceman, which of course makes Cola expendable.
Tootoo is equally expensive and expendable; I failed to recognize how his "goon presence" helped out some skilled players - except for the opponents' PP units. If he can be traded, the decision on him will be even easier.
Samuelsson could have had quite an impact, if he produced similarly like he did for Vancouver and Florida. We all know he did not (at least partly due to injuries), and I trust Holland and his staff to evaluate his situation correctly. It certainly does not help Samuelsson that Bertuzzi is another player with both considerable upside and injury issues, who is more proven among this roster and commands a lower salary.
Emmerton has a marginal cap hit and may be an option since Filpulla seems to leave and Helm still has a long way back. I do not see any point in trading him, since he can be waived in order to free up a roster spot.
Colaiacovo is a solid player. After Lashoff struggled heavily in the playoffs, I would not trust him as seventh defenseman; but it will not necessarily have to be Colaiacovo.
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Samuelsson could have had quite an impact, if he produced similarly like he did for Vancouver and Florida. We all know he did not (at least partly due to injuries), and I trust Holland and his staff to evaluate his situation correctly. It certainly does not help Samuelsson that Bertuzzi is another player with both considerable upside and injury issues, who is more proven among this roster and commands a lower salary.
Emmerton has a marginal cap hit and may be an option since Filpulla seems to leave and Helm still has a long way back. I do not see any point in trading him, since he can be waived in order to free up a roster spot.
Colaiacovo is a solid player. After Lashoff struggled heavily in the playoffs, I would not trust him as seventh defenseman; but it will not necessarily have to be Colaiacovo.
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Personally, I'd be happy with all of that, so long as it meant Tatar and Nyquist are up full-time, Andersson is our new 4th line center and Tootoo + Emmerton are gone.
I'm indifferent on Sammy and Carlo, but I'd prefer they both hit it road to make room for the younger guys.
If the Wings management are that high on Weiss (they've been scouting him for a couple years now), then I am too. Unlike most posters here, I actually think the Red Wings management know how to evaluate players.
I'm also totally fine with Brunner going un-signed if they sign/trade for a top-6 forward. As I've expressed lately, I think Iginla would be a great addition to our top-6 and PP. I dream of seeing Datsyuk flipping him saucer passes across the crease and him pounding them home, reminiscent of the days of young Datsyuk and Hull.
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That's the part I don't get. Sure, he kind of underperformed point-wise, but everything, he delivered as an energy guy. Don't see why the Wings would let him go, especially when they're playing teams like the Leafs and Bruins next year.
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I have a gut feeling your right, I'm sure that Ken Holland is lowballing him. Even though it's hard to gauge his value since he has only played 44 games at the NHL level I know they were saying that both sides are far from a deal the same thing with the Cleary camp.
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Yeah hopefully the 2nd line center is Stephen Weiss at a decent deal, Maybe 5 years $25m even though i think it will take more to lock him up.
Agreed. He's a bit expensive but provided great energy during the season and would be great against some of the teams in the east.
I would do it if we were sending out Tootoo so we can bring in a Bickell or something similar.
If this report is true in all respects, last off-season turned into a **** show for Holland. Even if his plan was to buy one more year for some of the young guys or whatever, we are pretty much looking to dump everyone that was acquired last year.
Or you could say Holland is learning from his mistakes? This off-season will say a lot in that regard. Resigning Miller, Datsyuk and Howard, for the money and years, none of that is particularly surprising. His decisions regarding Cleary, Sammy, Bert, Tootoo, Flip and the young RFAs...that will be a better indication of where he wants this team to go in the near future.
For instance, I think Cleary is worth keeping around in the bottom 6, specifically the 4th line, for the right amount of money. But Holland (and everyone else) knows that if he resigns him, Babcock is slotting him in the top 6 until his legs fall off. That's the reason why he shouldn't be brought back - but will Kenny see it that way?
Or you could say Holland is learning from his mistakes? This off-season will say a lot in that regard. Resigning Miller, Datsyuk and Howard, for the money and years, none of that is particularly surprising. His decisions regarding Cleary, Sammy, Bert, Tootoo, Flip and the young RFAs...that will be a better indication of where he wants this team to go in the near future.
For instance, I think Cleary is worth keeping around in the bottom 6, specifically the 4th line, for the right amount of money. But Holland (and everyone else) knows that if he resigns him, Babcock is slotting him in the top 6 until his legs fall off. That's the reason why he shouldn't be brought back - but will Kenny see it that way?
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They simply have too many forwards...depth isn't such a bad thing and injuries allowed them to find out what they had in a guy like Andersson. I don't think anyone benefited from the injuries as much as him.
What about Miller, Andersson, Tootoo, Eaves and Emmerton. Those are all really 4th line guys. If Cleary is back then he is at a minimum a 3rd line guy.
Because he makes $1.9m and he's only going to play 6-8 mins, IF he plays at all.
There's no reason what so ever that he should make more than Drew Miller. Personally, I think Cleary's next contract should be Tootoo money, and there's no way in hell that's fair. Cleary is 5x the player Tootoo is, even at this stage of his career. Holland overpaid Tootoo and Babcock doesn't value what Tootoo brings, so he needs to go.
I hated the Tootoo signing from the get go, but I started accepting it because he laid a few big hits in his first few games in Detroit, then he disappeared. If we're gonna put an "enforcer" out there, let's get one that can be depended on defensively and doesn't take a ton of stupid penalties. Tootoo even gets reputation calls, which isn't fair, but NHL officiating isn't fair.
That's what I've been saying since midway though the season. Last off-season was a complete disaster! Every signing was unnecessary except for Gustavsson, which is still debatable. Cola isn't the bottom-pairing/7th d-man this team needs, we need someone that can clear the crease and lay down the law, not a offensive-minded guy made of glass. Sammy can be a good player, but he's no good to us injured and he's overpaid. Tootoo, see above.
I'd love to see Holland clean house, starting with these guys.
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Sounds like this could be an eventful weekend. The report is that the trades are expected to happen at or just before the draft.
I just don't think he's a high priority. It's still unknown if he could cut it in a full NHL season, and even if he can, he still has a few weaknesses to his game. It would be a mistake to commit big money to a guy like that when you could spend it elsewhere on a player that you pretty much know what you're getting. As we know, Holland doesn't like make risky signings, like it or not.
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Agree with BSHH and Crashman; I have never understood the fascination with Tootoo. I don't hate the guy but "energy, fights, sanpaper" are completely replaceable skills on the FA market at any time. There's no freaking WAY that guy is worth 1.9 a year and I'll be glad he's gone. Call up Mitch Callahan; he'll throw and he's faster, younger, scores the occasional goal and most importantly is PAID like a guy who's only gonna play 6-7 minutes a night.
I know he's popular but Cleary is popular and ya'll don't seem to care about dumping him (I agree btw, I don't think Holland will do it but I would MUCH rather see Cleary's minutes go to someone with a future).
Honestly if this is all true, I'm thrilled: although I am starting to believe ppl when they say dumping Carlo for nothing is a bad idea. He had a good playoff and Lashoff isn't... talented? At all? In any given way?
Also, despite being a big Ken Holland fan I have to agree with the 5-6 posters who say that if "this" is the offseason plan, Kenny should come out and literally apologize for last offseason because it was a debacle.
My 2 cents naturally.
I know he's popular but Cleary is popular and ya'll don't seem to care about dumping him (I agree btw, I don't think Holland will do it but I would MUCH rather see Cleary's minutes go to someone with a future).
Honestly if this is all true, I'm thrilled: although I am starting to believe ppl when they say dumping Carlo for nothing is a bad idea. He had a good playoff and Lashoff isn't... talented? At all? In any given way?
Also, despite being a big Ken Holland fan I have to agree with the 5-6 posters who say that if "this" is the offseason plan, Kenny should come out and literally apologize for last offseason because it was a debacle.
My 2 cents naturally.
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"term is the issue for Cleary" - oh God, does that mean we've already agreed to give him 3 a year?
ugh....
Samuelsson, who has one year left at $3 million on his deal, could be a candidate to be bought out, but since he never returned to play in the playoffs due to an injury it could be a dicey situation where his agent might not accept it based on those grounds.
What exactly does this mean that his agent might not accept a buyout? Sammy/agent can't revoke or fight a buyout, can they? Or does it just mean his agent will call Kenny bad names for not giving Sammy another year to try to stay healthy?
What exactly does this mean that his agent might not accept a buyout? Sammy/agent can't revoke or fight a buyout, can they? Or does it just mean his agent will call Kenny bad names for not giving Sammy another year to try to stay healthy?
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He could fight he's not 100% healthy/still rehabilitating. Only healthy players can be bought out.
This has been discussed but I just don't get why you replace Filppula with Weiss, you are getting the same player, although Weiss is softer and more injury prone, he also is a year or two older. I just never got the fascination with Weiss that this team has. In fact, why does this team feel a need to go after centers? They are loaded at center, go after wingers, preferably one with some beef.
Why would you want to stay where you're clearly not wanted? I hope they make it clear to Sammy that he's no longer in the plans so if he decides to pull an injury clause he looks like the ass he is.
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Flip wants 5.5 or so for 8 years. That's basically why. Weiss will be a lot cheaper/shorter term than that.
