McKenzie: Puljujarvi has requested a trade [Part 2]

[Soundwave]

I think at this point he's probably not getting traded and is gonna play on the Oilers next year.

Ken Holland doesn't put up with or react much to young players doing their little temper tantrums, in Detroit he worked Athansiou down to the clock and forced him basically to take less money.

If a team wanted Puljujarvi and was willing to pay what Holland wants, it would've been a done deal already, we're late into the off-season now.

And Puljujarvi's agent is already back pedalling now on the threat to play in the KHL. Think that was a bluff and Holland called it.

Chiarelli would've caved and gave in, but Holland is a different story, I think Jesse and his agent are finding out the hard way.

 

[Albatros]

I think at this point he's probably not getting traded and is gonna play on the Oilers next year.

Ken Holland doesn't put up with or react much to young players doing their little temper tantrums, in Detroit he worked Athansiou down to the clock and forced him basically to take less money.

If a team wanted Puljujarvi and was willing to pay what Holland wants, it would've been a done deal already, we're late into the off-season now.

And Puljujarvi's agent is already back pedalling now on the threat to play in the KHL. Think that was a bluff and Holland called it.

Chiarelli would've caved and gave in, but Holland is a different story, I think Jesse and his agent are finding out the hard way.

What would be the point in keeping a player that is clearly not developing into anything worthwhile in the organization? Just for the sake of it?

 

[HabsAddict]

There is a lot of risk in the kid. Oil went through this with Yakupov.

So much potential....on paper.

 

[Soundwave]

What would be the point in keeping a player that is clearly not developing into anything worthwhile in the organization? Just for the sake of it?

He's hardly the first young player to throw a little hissy fit and want out from an NHL team. Drouin and others come to mind. Athansiou's contract negotiations got heated with Detroit when Holland was GM there too.

I just don't think that kind of thing phases Holland at all, he's seen these guys come and go and doesn't give a crap about that stuff. He does a deal on his terms of no deal as we're sitting here in mid-July, I doubt there will be one any time soon.

The other thing I think the agent is realizing is playing for the Finland based team in the KHL isn't gonna work because Jesse is gonna have to pay the full tax rate, there is no under the table shenanigans in a country like Finland, you pay your taxes.

Which means his salary there is likely to be at best maybe 1/3-1/2 of what he would earn in the NHL next year. Hence why I suspect his agent is back tracking on the "play in Europe" thing.

 

[Mr Positive]

What would be the point in keeping a player that is clearly not developing into anything worthwhile in the organization? Just for the sake of it?

He could still pan out. Busting is on the table but so is success. We needed a successful Puljujarvi a hell of a lot more than some 3rd rounder or something

 

[torniojaws]

His agent sure sounds like a pathological liar. Always twisting and turning what he said, and changing his mind.

 

[torniojaws]

What would be the point in keeping a player that is clearly not developing into anything worthwhile in the organization? Just for the sake of it?

If he became successful in another team, it wouldn't just be an embarrassment for the Oilers, it would also make the other team stronger and the Oilers weaker in comparison. So if they keep him in Edmonton, they prevent another team from possibly becoming stronger. Imagine if Pulju tied a game 25 games into the season, and then at the end of the season that 1 extra point for the team brought them into playoffs and kept the Oilers out...

 

[13 others]

If he became successful in another team, it wouldn't just be an embarrassment for the Oilers, it would also make the other team stronger and the Oilers weaker in comparison. So if they keep him in Edmonton, they prevent another team from possibly becoming stronger. Imagine if Pulju tied a game 25 games into the season, and then at the end of the season that 1 extra point for the team brought them into playoffs and kept the Oilers out...

By that logic you should never trade anyone.

 

[torniojaws]

By that logic you should never trade anyone.

...unless you get something in return. A 3rd of 4th round pick is not something.

 

[Albatros]

He could still pan out. Busting is on the table but so is success. We needed a successful Puljujarvi a hell of a lot more than some 3rd rounder or something

The only path to success is to do something radically different than until now, and I can't see any interest in Edmonton for that.

 

[captainpaxil]

Offer sheeting at 2.1 seems interesting. Compensation is only 3rd and he might clear waivers at that salary.

 

[ManWithNoName]

He could still pan out. Busting is on the table but so is success. We needed a successful Puljujarvi a hell of a lot more than some 3rd rounder or something

I find it highly unlikely that he'll pan out in Edmonton. They can't develop him properly and he doesn't want to play there.

It's not about doing him any favors, it's about getting rid of a problem and hopefully making the team better. A 3rd rounder would do a lot more usage than a player who's already left the organization in his mind.

 

[ijuka]

Best europe would actually be DEL or Switzerland, would support the learning of english, which Oulu doesn’t

Jesse is not good enough for Switzerland so it would have to be DEL

Most likely he signs his qualifying offer* spends max half a season proving it, being traded or contract cancelled and rest of varret in Oulu as a bust

*Not getting better as under $1,4mil you can offer sheet for free, nobody has sent that. Under $2,1 is a third and nobody has sent that either, so Jesses value is a fourth or worse

Puljujärvi could play in SHL, and he probably knows Swedish considering he was born in Sweden and subsequently played hockey in Tornio.

 

[Raimo Sillanpää]

Puljujärvi could play in SHL, and he probably knows Swedish considering he was born in Sweden and subsequently played hockey in Tornio.

The point was to go somewhere where he must learn English. Sweden/Finland dont help with that

 

[Lempo]

Most likely he signs his qualifying offer* spends max half a season proving it, being traded or contract cancelled and rest of varret in Oulu as a bust

*Not getting better as under $1,4mil you can offer sheet for free, nobody has sent that. Under $2,1 is a third and nobody has sent that either, so Jesses value is a fourth or worse

Time is running out: unless the club explicity notifies otherwise, the QO will expire tomorrow on Jul 15 (by the CBA).

 

[Crease Master]

He could still pan out. Busting is on the table but so is success. We needed a successful Puljujarvi a hell of a lot more than some 3rd rounder or something

Is success really on the table for this kid though? Gifted with a spot in the NHL next to McDavid and doing nothing with it for 3 years? There really isn't a good history of top picks who struggle for 3 years despite being given good opportunity and then breaking through in year 4 or later with the same team. That list is zero players long, unless you can think of somebody I am missing. There are a handful of guys however who struggled for a few years and then later in their career turn it around in another organization, the best pool party can hope for is this outcome which is why he wants out. Its not happening in Edmonton even if there is a chance if it happening at all, that 3rd round pick is more valuable to your organization than he is ever going to be. You could probably use that 3rd round pick to trade for a player who wants to be there.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Is success really on the table for this kid though? Gifted with a spot in the NHL next to McDavid and doing nothing with it for 3 years? There really isn't a good history of top picks who struggle for 3 years despite being given good opportunity and then breaking through in year 4 or later with the same team. That list is zero players long, unless you can think of somebody I am missing. There are a handful of guys however who struggled for a few years and then later in their career turn it around in another organization, the best pool party can hope for is this outcome which is why he wants out. Its not happening in Edmonton even if there is a chance if it happening at all, that 3rd round pick is more valuable to your organization than he is ever going to be. You could probably use that 3rd round pick to trade for a player who wants to be there.

He is going to miss signing his QO and will play in Europe next season or for less money in Edmonton. You don't reward behavior like this with a raise.

We are hoping that a few years in Europe will lead to a mature player. There is a small chance that a third round pick will turn out by then. If JP turns it around then a good return will be coming Edmontons way. If not? Well that's the chance you take. GMs burp out thirds for breakfast.

 

[Wyzer Plan]

Ken Holland isn't going to walk into Edmonton and have a player demand a trade and crap the bed on the trade.

For better or worse Holland will let him go to Europe before he "loses" in a trade. He doesn't make many trades but when he did, Detroit was usually the clear cut winner in the deal.

 

[Periwinkle]

Puljujärvi could play in SHL, and he probably knows Swedish considering he was born in Sweden and subsequently played hockey in Tornio.

He doesn't speak Swedish.
Considering that one of his greatest troubles seems to be adjusting to a new environment, I don't think these proposals of SHL, KHL(other than maybe Jokerit) or DEL make much sense,if the goal is still NHL. He needs to concentrate of finding his game and Liiga and Kärpät in particular seems the most logical choice considering he doesn't need to focus on "the other stuff" and many Liiga rinks are hybrid rinks. He can hire an English tutor etc.

Despite the recent backpedaling by his agent it seems Edmonton as a team has become untolerable for him. His agent said "even if there is a new GM and a new coach, the team is pretty much the same" as one reasoning for the trade request. There are rumours of the captain of the team, one of the most high profile players in the league, requesting not to play with him. How are not those red flags of locker room problems? How would the other players even deal with him,and he with being there, if he came back, after a very public trade request?

I can't see the tactic of wearing him down until he agrees to come back benefitting the Oilers at all. Trade or Liiga make the most sense.

 

[Chrispy]

Offer sheeting at 2.1 seems interesting. Compensation is only 3rd and he might clear waivers at that salary.

At this point the question is whether Puljujarvi would sign an offer sheet and risk it being matched by Edmonton. If he doesn't want to be there, an offer sheet is too much risk to be matched.

 

[Smartguy]

Offer sheeting at 2.1 seems interesting. Compensation is only 3rd and he might clear waivers at that salary.

As has been put in this thread a dozen times, he won’t sign it, as the oilers will undoubtedly match and making him play with Edmonton. People just do not understand that part, he asked for a trade as he doesn’t want to play there

 

[Smartguy]

At this point the question is whether Puljujarvi would sign an offer sheet and risk it being matched by Edmonton. If he doesn't want to be there, an offer sheet is too much risk to be matched.

Look at it this way, from the oilers POV, the compensation on that is a third. You truly believe the oilers will let him walk for a third round pick? That they currently would accept a third round pick in a trade and that virtually every team hasn’t offered that it that was the price?

 

[Lempo]

As has been put in this thread a dozen times, he won’t sign it, as the oilers will undoubtedly match and making him play with Edmonton. People just do not understand that part, he asked for a trade as he doesn’t want to play there

Tomorrow (Jun 15) is the default expiration day of the QO. 5 pm NY time.

I assume the minimum NHL salary that can be offered to him is about $874k (105 % of the last year's salary) and the SPC is for one year. He can be offered a two-way contract, but that's an academic point, because he won't clear the waivers to send him to AHL.

It's a hard call to not sign it. EDM doesn't have to renew the offer in the following off-seasons; they gave the QO now after his final season as required by the CBA and will retain his rights until he's eligible for UFA. This is it.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Is success really on the table for this kid though? Gifted with a spot in the NHL next to McDavid and doing nothing with it for 3 years?

This is simply not true. The amount of shifts Puljujarvi has had alongside McDavid has got to be in the single digits.

There really isn't a good history of top picks who struggle for 3 years despite being given good opportunity and then breaking through in year 4 or later with the same team. That list is zero players long, unless you can think of somebody I am missing.

Keith Primeau

 

[Roof Daddy]

There are rumours of the captain of the team, one of the most high profile players in the league, requesting not to play with him. How are not those red flags of locker room problems?

Source? That doesn’t sound like something McDavid would do.