Prospect Info: Prospect and Marlies Thread: 2017 - 2018 (continued) Part II

[Boutette]

Bracco is being groomed for a spot on the Leafs, then for a trade.

Or they will try and see if he can be an 80% Marner, and if he shows he can, they will trade Mitch the Magician for a massive haul.

 

[Boutette]

He either turns into an NHLer or he’s worthless.

So Nolan Vesey is worth a 7th, but if Bracco doesn't make an NHL roster he's worthless?

 

[saltming]

Ditto on Miller

If we drafted Merkley the best thing for him would be going straight into the AHL like Liljegren did and working with our development staff and Keefe could probably control him

Unfortunately he's in the CHL so we'd have to wait a couple of years before that's even an option

Ya so let's just take a pass on Merkley unless he is BPA by a mile

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Two different coaches at the OHL level haven't been able to control him so it's a gigantic question mark if hes going to have a "come to Jesus" moment any time soon

Teenagers tend to have the highest “Come to Jesus”/60 stats.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Or they will try and see if he can be an 80% Marner, and if he shows he can, they will trade Mitch the Magician for a massive haul.

Only on a leafs board we will trade maybe the best offensive talent we have ever drafted for a massive haul, when we should be adding to that elite talent to win a cup.

 

[supermann_98]

Or they will try and see if he can be an 80% Marner, and if he shows he can, they will trade Mitch the Magician for a massive haul.

You’re right. We could keep Marner or we could trade him for a massive haul that might (if we’re lucky) get us a guy as good as Marner!
‘Peter Griffin-Boat-Mystery Box’ level thinking right there

 

[Boutette]

You’re right. We could keep Marner or we could trade him for a massive haul that might (if we’re lucky) get us a guy as good as Marner!
‘Peter Griffin-Boat-Mystery Box’ level thinking right there

Sure. That's totally the law that governs making trades in the NHL works. All teams are almost identical top to bottom and you therefore can only trade any given player for almost the exact same player, but of lesser value.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Got a giggle out of the bolded. I agree he hasn’t been great, definitely not the type of performance one would want to see from a player who has been bantered to be in the NHL next season. He might be ok as an injury call up, but I can’t see him in our lineup consistently.

How much worse can he be than Polak?

 

[Menzinger]

So Nolan Vesey is worth a 7th, but if Bracco doesn't make an NHL roster he's worthless?

I’m high on Bracco, and he’d obviously have some sort of return but he’s likely not going to be the centrepiece of a deal for a desired asset without proving himself more at least at the AHL level.

 

[Green Snow Storm]

How much worse can he be than Polak?

We need someone better than both, but yes he is better than Polak especially for the NHL today.

 

[ChrisCall]

I've got a saying; "Don't be Peter Chiarelli"
The guy traded two superstars (Ironically both Tyler and Taylor) for bags of pucks.

I have this thought in my head like a 20 year old Seguin walked into the post season meetings with Chiarelli and told the GM to stick it up his bleep. Then Chiarelli decided that the kid was too immature/unprofessional/uncoachable whatever to be worth keeping and opted for a trade.

I don't care if Merkley has issues. I care if he's a sociopath dude who likes to kill small animals. I would make no real attributions on the ultimate maturity of any player until they are 24 years of age or older. If Merkley is the best talent and might drop due to "being 17", I'd take him 100 times out of 100.

 

[showtime8]

I've got a saying; "Don't be Peter Chiarelli"
The guy traded two superstars (Ironically both Tyler and Taylor) for bags of pucks.

I have this thought in my head like a 20 year old Seguin walked into the post season meetings with Chiarelli and told the GM to stick it up his bleep. Then Chiarelli decided that the kid was too immature/unprofessional/uncoachable whatever to be worth keeping and opted for a trade.

I don't care if Merkley has issues. I care if he's a sociopath dude who likes to kill small animals. I would make no real attributions on the ultimate maturity of any player until they are 24 years of age or older. If Merkley is the best talent and might drop due to "being 17", I'd take him 100 times out of 100.

The thing with Merkley is, I don't care if he has some issues, but there has to be some sort of worth while gamble on him to select him with a 1st round pick. ie. How much better is he than the other options that would be available? Is he worth the pick ahead of (Dellandrea, Miller, Noel, Bokk) who might not have the risk associated with it.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I've got a saying; "Don't be Peter Chiarelli"
The guy traded two superstars (Ironically both Tyler and Taylor) for bags of pucks.

I have this thought in my head like a 20 year old Seguin walked into the post season meetings with Chiarelli and told the GM to stick it up his bleep. Then Chiarelli decided that the kid was too immature/unprofessional/uncoachable whatever to be worth keeping and opted for a trade.

I don't care if Merkley has issues. I care if he's a sociopath dude who likes to kill small animals. I would make no real attributions on the ultimate maturity of any player until they are 24 years of age or older. If Merkley is the best talent and might drop due to "being 17", I'd take him 100 times out of 100.

Again, it's not that he's just kind of rude to people and likes to party too much, he genuinely doesn't care about the defensive end at all. Talented kids who spent 3 years in juniors working tirelessly on their defensive game still aren't good enough sometimes, I don't have high hopes for a kid that slacked off instead and has to gain 2+ years worth of ground now.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Again, it's not that he's just kind of rude to people and likes to party too much, he genuinely doesn't care about the defensive end at all. Talented kids who spent 3 years in juniors working tirelessly on their defensive game still aren't good enough sometimes, I don't have high hopes for a kid that slacked off instead and has to gain 2+ years worth of ground now.

yeah he's also not a team player whatsoever. he's fine with losing as long as he can get some points. @93LEAFS has been very clear and informative on the kind of person he is, and he's just not a fit for the team like the leafs. he'll likely be picked by a desperate franchise and not pan out due to all these issues

 

[Kiwi]

yeah he's also not a team player whatsoever. he's fine with losing as long as he can get some points. @93LEAFS has been very clear and informative on the kind of person he is, and he's just not a fit for the team like the leafs. he'll likely be picked by a desperate franchise and not pan out due to all these issues

I could see a team with a ton of picks taking a punt on him because it mitigates the risk somewhat, but I'd be pissed if we used our 1st or 2nd rounders on him

 

[Martin Skoula]

yeah he's also not a team player whatsoever. he's fine with losing as long as he can get some points. @93LEAFS has been very clear and informative on the kind of person he is, and he's just not a fit for the team like the leafs. he'll likely be picked by a desperate franchise and not pan out due to all these issues

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him in the 3rd, same idea as the Rangers taking Sean Day and hoping for the best. I wouldn't want him playing on the team unless he pulls a miraculous 180 of course, but you could probably build his value up to more than a 3rd over a year or two.

 

[93LEAFS]

I've got a saying; "Don't be Peter Chiarelli"
The guy traded two superstars (Ironically both Tyler and Taylor) for bags of pucks.

I have this thought in my head like a 20 year old Seguin walked into the post season meetings with Chiarelli and told the GM to stick it up his bleep. Then Chiarelli decided that the kid was too immature/unprofessional/uncoachable whatever to be worth keeping and opted for a trade.

I don't care if Merkley has issues. I care if he's a sociopath dude who likes to kill small animals. I would make no real attributions on the ultimate maturity of any player until they are 24 years of age or older. If Merkley is the best talent and might drop due to "being 17", I'd take him 100 times out of 100.

Partying and not full focusing on your craft are signs of immaturity, and people grow out of them.

In my experiences in life, people rarely grow out of being shitty people. Your basic ability to interact with people is formed early on in life and tends to stick with you. I've seen people at work and school who need to mature, but generally, if someone is always moody, temperamental and in general just difficult to get along with, is something that develops in childhood and is hard to fix.

If you think that is what got Seguin traded you are mistaken. It involved pissing off the entire locker room, not ignoring authority.

I also disagree with the logic Merkley is a good player. Despite his offensive skill, his presence on the ice has had a negative effect on Guelph's goals for. Everyone talks about his high-percentage of points, but ignores the fact for 2 years running, Guelph has a better goal differential at 5v5 when he is on the bench. That is because he is an atrocious defender who lacks effort. Also, everyone ignores the times he tries his crazy plays when they lead directly to a turnover. He has great vision, but I question his overall hockey IQ. His risk/reward assessment isn't there.

If you want to compare people who don't want to take him to Chiarelli fine. But, in my eyes, do you want to be Garth Snow who repeatedly wasted picks due to not doing proper research such as Ho-Sang, Kabanov, Rich Pilon, etc.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

I've got a saying; "Don't be Peter Chiarelli"
The guy traded two superstars (Ironically both Tyler and Taylor) for bags of pucks.

I have this thought in my head like a 20 year old Seguin walked into the post season meetings with Chiarelli and told the GM to stick it up his bleep. Then Chiarelli decided that the kid was too immature/unprofessional/uncoachable whatever to be worth keeping and opted for a trade.

I don't care if Merkley has issues. I care if he's a sociopath dude who likes to kill small animals. I would make no real attributions on the ultimate maturity of any player until they are 24 years of age or older. If Merkley is the best talent and might drop due to "being 17", I'd take him 100 times out of 100.

Are we talking about #1 and #2 OA picks vs #20’s pick? Look how is Josh Ho Sang, he can’t even make the lineup in Islanders. I would rather bring someone who works hard and might have a chance to be developed vs marginal skilled player who doesn’t give a damn.

 

[X66]

Martin for Ho-Sang

Character guy, for a character, guy.

 

[Menzinger]

Martin for Ho-Sang

Character guy, for a character, guy.

Done.

 

[LeafChief]

 

[93LEAFS]

Martin for Ho-Sang

Character guy, for a character, guy.

I'd do it, then just not qualify Ho-Sang so were out of the Martin deal.

 

[ChrisCall]

If you want to compare people who don't want to take him to Chiarelli fine. But, in my eyes, do you want to be Garth Snow who repeatedly wasted picks due to not doing proper research such as Ho-Sang, Kabanov, Rich Pilon, etc.

Nah, I don't know a thing about Merkely so i'm for sure not making a direct comparison. Just a broad point that there's a difference between maturity and being a mean person ... as you pointed out. If he's well ahead of the pack at the pick # then i'm interested. If he's not, then it's a kinda of non issue anyway.

And I do trust your opinion on this.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Heavy team usually win's, Stars knocked the Little Marlies around even beat them up after the final whistle, Interesting to see how the Marlies well respond.

pretty well it seems

 

[Boutette]

Between Rosen and Dermott, I'm thinking this summer would be a good time to trade Gardiner for a decent RD.