News Article: Problem with a $10M goalie is the league has made that position less dominant

[NORiculous]

if Drouin is a big loss, then your team was never good to begin with.

Or Drouin is better then people admit?

But in any event, one player should not make the difference. We’ve heard the excuse before with Price or Weber injuries, etc.

That excuse shouldn’t work anymore.

 

[LaP]

So you're saying there's a chance?

There's always a chance

 

[Omar]

Nothing makes money faster than winning. Molson seems to be unaware of something everyone else in the business has tatooed on their butt.

I haven’t bothered going to a game in 10 years. You don’t have a direction, you’re not getting my money.

 

[LaP]

Or Drouin is better then people admit?

But in any event, one player should not make the difference. We’ve heard the excuse before with Price or Weber injuries, etc.

That excuse shouldn’t work anymore.

Sample size this season is very small. Too small to make any conclusion about that.

 

[Omar]

The other main point of Ferraro in this video - which isn’t mentioned in the title - is that the team is going in 2 different directions.
1. Winning now with veteran leaders.
2. Youth movement.

However, the youth movement won’t catch the veterans while they’re still performing well.

A few more points:
-The Habs are no more than Buffalo when they had Hasek. A few very good pieces and a star goalie. Some years they’d surprise but most of the time they were average.

-The strategy to pay your star goalie $10m is flawed because the league does all it can to encourage more goal scoring- less holding, removing the red line, reducing size of goalie equipment, the trapezoid behind the net to limit goalie movement. Your $10m player needs to be on the opposite side of the ice scoring the goals.

 

[Miller Time]

It has never been a reliable strategy, but it has never stopped a team from winning it all with great tendies.

Exactly.

Price's deal means less cap flexibility, but that hasn't been an issue for us.

Incompetent management is the problem. 10M in a goalie or in a Skater wouldn't change a thing.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The problem is it doesn't make sense to build from the net out when you have a salary cap.

10 mil on a great player at any position is fine. It doesn’t prevent you from building a good team, a bad GM does.

 

[Omar]

Tony posted on here so it's possible.

Anyway, this topic is a good representation of the current situation. Equipment changes and load management have changed the importance of the position these last two seasons. The question is, what is smarter, spending 10.5M on 1 goalie or close to that amount for 2? (See BOS/NYI)

Sean Campbell is the worst. He talks about the lottery as a failed strategy that teams coming last have an 82% chance of losing it. He doesn’t seem to understand that we have a 98% chance of missing the playoffs haha

Anyways, for goalies, probably two like Boston and NYI.

 

[MaxDummy]

 

[Deluded Puck]

Or Drouin is better then people admit?

But in any event, one player should not make the difference. We’ve heard the excuse before with Price or Weber injuries, etc.

That excuse shouldn’t work anymore.

Agreed. A genuine contender should survive the loss of an elite player, however Price and Weber are elite, Drouin wasn't even our top scoring forward at any point.

 

[jackeymoon]

Agreed. A genuine contender should survive the loss of an elite player, however Price and Weber are elite, Drouin wasn't even our top scoring forward at any point.

Drouin and Price are not elite

 

[MaxDummy]

Ferraro nailed it like a boss. Exactly my toughts

 

[ECWHSWI]

How many of those 60 minutes does he do just standing there?

Who works the hardest during a game? The goalie? Nope

Goal posts.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

Who is saying there would be no takers?

Many members on this board think his cap hit would make his contract impossible to move, which I disagree with obviously.

 

[CHfan1]

We are now 9 points down with 38 games to go. Let's say the Flyers play for 500 (points %) until the end of the season which would be a slower pace than they have right now they'll finish with 90 points. To finish with 91 points we need 48 points. This is 22-12-4. The chance for that to happen are so low it's not even worth considering by our management. 22-12-4 is 0.631 points %. Such points % would put us 7th in the league right now. So until the end of the season we must be one of the 7 best teams and hope one of the wild cards will play for 0.500 max which is worse than what they have done so far and hope no teams between them and us is doing as good as us. It's like basically impossible unless we make an important change to the lineup like Stl did last year.

I hate the St Louis example at this point. Last year after 45 games they had 45 points, were 2 points out of a playoff spot, and had 2 games in hand.

Montreal after 45 games is 9 points out of a playoff spot and has played one more game.

Montreal is not even close to being in the position St. Louis was last season.

Also no way 90 points gets a team in, it’ll be 96-97 points. They will need to be on a 120 point pace (for a full season) to make it, which 0 teams are on right now. They don’t have to be one of the best 7, they have to be the best to make it.

 

[LaP]

I hate the St Louis example at this point. Last year after 45 games they had 45 points, were 2 points out of a playoff spot, and had 2 games in hand.

Montreal after 45 games is 9 points out of a playoff spot and has played one more game.

Montreal is not even close to being in the position St. Louis was last season.

Also no way 90 points gets a team in, it’ll be 96-97 points. They will need to be on a 120 point pace (for a full season) to make it, which 0 teams are on right now. They don’t have to be one of the best 7, they have to be the best to make it.

I was explaining the best case scenario sorry if it was not clear. Like even the best case scenario doesn't look plausible at all. Obviously the chance for both Florida and the Flyers to play only for 500 until the end of the season is very very very slim. One of the two will keep the pace that's for sure and yeah it will likely require 96-97 points to get in (which will make it impossible obviously).

Also yeah i realize our situation can't be compared to Stl. But that's what people (the real fans) might do anyway. What those people (real fans) will (potentially) fail to realize is Stl fired their coach and changed their number 1 goalie. They also had a better team on paper everyone saw them in playoffs before the season started the question mark of the team was drum roll the number 1 goalie which they addressed during the season. We have at least two very big question marks to address (providing Price can be Price again). Number 1 center and Number 1 LHD.

 

[Rapala]

Good take over all. The thing with Price is simple even at his best he was never going to be the difference maker in the playoffs as soon as we hit a hot goaltender. I've pointed that out over the years and we've never been structured well enough to tip that scale.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Good take over all. The thing with Price is simple even at his best he was never going to be the difference maker in the playoffs as soon as we hit a hot goaltender. I've pointed that out over the years and we've never been structured well enough to tip that scale.

Not sure what you’re talking about here. We beat Boston in ‘14 in a huge upset and most likely would have gone to the finals that year if he didn’t get hurt.

Our real issue has always been that our GM never went all in when he should have.

 

[Rapala]

Not sure what you’re talking about here. We beat Boston in ‘14 in a huge upset and most likely would have gone to the finals that year if he didn’t get hurt.

Our real issue has always been that our GM never went all in when he should have.

Nope a certain Jonathan Quick would have put an end to all that. Besides NYR were killing us with Price in before the Kreider incident not to mention our relief was more than adequate. Nothing guarantees Price would have made a difference in that series when goal tending wasn't the reason we lost.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Nope a certain Jonathan Quick would have put an end to all that. Besides NYR were killing us with Price in before the Kreider incident not to mention our relief was more than adequate. Nothing guarantees Price would have made a difference in that series when goal tending wasn't the reason we lost.

I think LA would've killed us too. They were a great team and we mostly sucked. But that Boston series was a huge upset.

As for NY, we would've won that one with Price. Sucks that we never got to see it.

Once again... wouldn't have taken much. A few players and a good coach. We should've been contending for cups for years.

 

[Rapala]

I think LA would've killed us too. They were a great team and we mostly sucked. But that Boston series was a huge upset.

As for NY, we would've won that one with Price. Sucks that we never got to see it.

Once again... wouldn't have taken much. A few players and a good coach. We should've been contending for cups for years.

Agreed here. The point I was making is that in subsequent years MB relied on Price to be the difference maker. He was lights out in the regular season but couldn't tip the scales on his own. A great example is the Ottawa series when we went up 3-0 against Hamburglar. Andersen came in hot and tied that series up. Just a poor strategy trying to build that way.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Agreed here. The point I was making is that in subsequent years MB relied on Price to be the difference maker. He was lights out in the regular season but couldn't tip the scales on his own. A great example is the Ottawa series when we went up 3-0 against Hamburglar. Andersen came in hot and tied that series up. Just a poor strategy trying to build that way.

Here's the problem... he didn't actually BUILD anything.

Everyone here saying we made a mistake building around Price... we never did. We didn't build jack squat. We just relied on Price to take us somewhere. He was good enough to get us into the playoffs and steal some rounds but that's it. If you want to win something you actually have to BUILD a team.

 

[Rapala]

Here's the problem... he didn't actually BUILD anything.

Everyone here saying we made a mistake building around Price... we never did. We didn't build jack squat. We just relied on Price to take us somewhere. He was good enough to get us into the playoffs and steal some rounds but that's it. If you want to win something you actually have to BUILD a team.

True poor choice of words. You can't transition that way.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

True poor choice of words. You can't transition that way.

I'm just saying, people keep pointing to Price saying you can't build around a goalie and win. Of course you can. But you actually have to do the building part.

McDavid is the best player in the world right now and his team can't even make the playoffs. And that's with Draisatle helping him.

 

[Kriss E]

Many members on this board think his cap hit would make his contract impossible to move, which I disagree with obviously.

Many?..I mean..maybe a handful..
His contract is fine and we can always retain 1-2M if needed.