GDT: Preseason Game 1 - Coyotes @ Golden Knights - 1:30 PM - NHLN

[Plub]

We need a Raffi Torres, some kamikazi type player who goes ape**** on the other team.

We really do. I know the NHL has changed, but being physical and having someone who straddles the line of what is and isn't dirty is apparently a must.

 

[hbk]

Seriously. It's the same **** every year.

Again, all I've heard about Bahl is he is big and mean... I've yet to see it.

Who's ever said he was mean?

 

[GiveAFlyingPuck]

Good to see the power play in mid-season form.

 

[XX]

Our power play still sucks.

Housley talked about 'establishing shots from the point' which is... exactly the opposite of what analytics tell you to do, so my expectations are very low.

 

[_Del_]

In my preseason dream scenario, both Fischer and Beau turn into 15-20 goal guys who consistently work the corners and crease and add some sandpaper.

 

[Mosby]

Holy overreaction. Difficult to add size to the lineup when barely anyone brings that style anymore, plus the game is trending away from it, sadly. You can probably count legitimate power forwards these days on one hand.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

Bahl will be, but it's going to take a little time for him to get comfortable with the speed that he is facing...these aren't the junior players he's used to and you can see that he's being over cautious not to get burned and staying at arms length and using his reach.

He really lays the body in juniors, so I'm sure he will do it when he gets more comfortable with the speed.

and F*** Patches, wish someone would lay that mthrfkr out

 

[SniperHF]

Housley talked about 'establishing shots from the point'

Which is funny in one other sense besides stats, is just the most obvious issue with the Coyotes Pp in recent years was its predictability. There's nothing more predictable than moving for a point shot.

Let's be honest, our PP is just going to be Keller-Schmaltz-Kessel all season

Maybe OEL will remember that he actually has elite touch and can apply that on the PP. I mean probably not but there's always hope I suppose.

Also Zykov is probably a top 10 hockey name ever.

 

[Plub]

Holy overreaction. Difficult to add size to the lineup when barely anyone brings that style anymore, plus the game is trending away from it, sadly. You can probably count legitimate power forwards these days on one hand.

The NHL isn't trending away from it. Washington, Boston, St. Louis, Vegas, SJ, WPG, etc. are big physical teams and they are all among the top teams in the league. Size and physicality are definitely still a necessity in today's NHL if you want to win, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Plub]

Who's ever said he was mean?

On here and scouting reports I've read always state his physical play along the boards and in front of the net. He doesn't throw himself out of position to go for a huge hit, I get that, but in the defensive zone everything I've read says he's a tough dude to play against.

I look forward to seeing it because we need it.

 

[Canis Latrans]

Housley talked about 'establishing shots from the point' which is... exactly the opposite of what analytics tell you to do, so my expectations are very low.

The context is that those shots are typically blocked or poor as the shooters have less time to get a good shot when done at even strength, typically. On the power play, with more room and time to work, the point can encroach forward and you’re ideally setting a screen which ups the value on the shot greatly. Furthermore, you’ll get more rebounds with those and you likely have a numbers advantage down low. At least that would be my defence of his statement and how it falls in line with analytics.

 

[Mosby]

You can add tough players to your lineup, but given their rarity, they are difficult to acquire.

I miss when a clean hit was just a clean hit. Now anything is followed by a bs scrum.

 

[_Del_]

You can't have watched the playoffs this season and thought "we'd have been a good playoff team if we had made it" like Chayka said. I'm sorry, but that's delusional.
You still need size or you'll be on your ass half the game like we were last year.

Watching guy get floored in the first preseason game is just a nice refresher that we're light in the pants.

 

[XX]

The context is that those shots are typically blocked or poor as the shooters have less time to get a good shot when done at even strength, typically. On the power play, with more room and time to work, the point can encroach forward and you’re ideally setting a screen which ups the value on the shot greatly. Furthermore, you’ll get more rebounds with those and you likely have a numbers advantage down low. At least that would be my defence of his statement and how it falls in line with analytics.

Movement aka rotation on the PP is the signature of every successful PP of the last ten years. Think cross ice passes across the 'royal road' and working shots in the slot like you would work the ball into the box in soccer.

Shots from the point that aren't immediate and off of a non obvious pass have a very, very low conversion rate. They are a waste of time. When you see guys just standing around and passing it to each other without moving when off the puck, that's the sign of a poorly run and coached PP.

Newell used a 1-3-1 with heavy rotation when Yandle and OEL were together, it was great. With guys like Keller, Schmaltz, and Kessel, cross ice passing should be the focus.

 

[Plub]

If your PP isn't having rotations it is a shit PP. It's that simple. Our PP is always so static and that's why it's a power kill. No one moves. However, we have a lot of time before the actual season starts.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

On the PP we don’t shoot off of the pass nearly enough. It might be ok to shuffle, hold and shoot for OEL but not for the rest of the team.

 

[Canis Latrans]

Movement aka rotation on the PP is the signature of every successful PP of the last ten years. Think cross ice passes across the 'royal road' and working shots in the slot like you would work the ball into the box in soccer.

Shots from the point that aren't immediate and off of a non obvious pass have a very, very low conversion rate. They are a waste of time. When you see guys just standing around and passing it to each other without moving when off the puck, that's the sign of a poorly run and coached PP.

Newell used a 1-3-1 with heavy rotation when Yandle and OEL were together, it was great. With guys like Keller, Schmaltz, and Kessel, cross ice passing should be the focus.

Sorry, I should clarify that I think it’s just a short clip for the media and not the full picture on how he’ll run the power play. Definitely should just be one weapon in the arsenal though and it has its moments when it is the effective choice. I think you can also liken it to a bit of game theory where if you don’t use those shots ever, teams stop defending it and your other points of attack become more closely guarded.

Last year in particular, it was clear that Schmaltz off the half boards was the most effective play we had even if it was short-lived, so having that two or three pronged attack should give him more room to work.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

You can add tough players to your lineup, but given their rarity, they are difficult to acquire.

I miss when a clean hit was just a clean hit. Now anything is followed by a bs scrum.

Big tough players are incredibly rare now. And we actually have one of the best in the league in Crouse. He finished second in the entire league in hits last season.

And we're actually one of the most physical teams in the league. Our forechek was one of our biggest strengths last season. Opposing teams commented on it all the time. We're a very gritty team.

 

[Plub]

What a dumbass pass by Schmaltz. Lol

 

[SniperHF]

#1 - Play to the whistles Chychrun.

#2. Schmaltz is still bad at anything on the south side of the puck.

 

[Muppet]

Chych, Schmaltz and Boosh made a total meal of that one.

 

[BigJCaRoach]

We need a Raffi Torres, some kamikazi type player who goes ape**** on the other team.

His name was Micheal Ferland and I wanted him all spring and summer...

 

[XX]

Sorry, I should clarify that I think it’s just a short clip for the media and not the full picture on how he’ll run the power play. Definitely should just be one weapon in the arsenal though and it has its moments when it is the effective choice. I think you can also liken it to a bit of game theory where if you don’t use those shots ever, teams stop defending it and your other points of attack become more closely guarded.

Slow shots from the point are the easiest thing to defend AND have the lowest conversion rate which is why a lot of PKs simply concede them. It's better to block it on the way and get a clear or contest possession. That's how ineffective they can be. They are the furthest from the net, making them the easiest save for the goalies. 9 times out of 10 you are better off trying to pass it around to get a shot closer to the net. That's the danger of players like OEL and Chychrun - they can claw up ice defenders give to them and get accurate shots off quickly, not lame slappers from the point.

Chych, Schmaltz and Boosh made a total meal of that one.

Bush is a specialist and I'm not particularly fond of him.

 

[Canis Latrans]

Movement aka rotation on the PP is the signature of every successful PP of the last ten years. Think cross ice passes across the 'royal road' and working shots in the slot like you would work the ball into the box in soccer.

Shots from the point that aren't immediate and off of a non obvious pass have a very, very low conversion rate. They are a waste of time. When you see guys just standing around and passing it to each other without moving when off the puck, that's the sign of a poorly run and coached PP.

Newell used a 1-3-1 with heavy rotation when Yandle and OEL were together, it was great. With guys like Keller, Schmaltz, and Kessel, cross ice passing should be the focus.

Oh, I also should highlight that Valiquette has lots of neat shot data somewhere (I can find it for you later when I’m not on a tablet) that shows how much shooting percentage goes up with a screen and how certain basic setups with a screen are even more effective than a breakaway!

 

[_Del_]

Schmaltz and Keller bleeding goals and content with poke checking... Outscored and sloppy.