Yeah I mentioned that...only for @Stray Wasp to tell us five years down the road how they spent all that money on awful buys with hiring Pardew as eventual manager after they fire Wagner because they're going to slip sometime in the next two seasons...
We're getting rid of our manager for a reason!
Thank you. But apparently, I'm thick-headed. Comical indeed. Blooper moment yet again.No one brought up reffing until you started whining about it.
Same circular garbage. Indeed.You have a funny definition of 'whining'. But eh, I'm not going to get dragged into this with you and the other one as it's always the same circular garbage.
I think it's just a combination of things. I only started watching after like the 70th minute but in the time I watched Pogba was playing dumb. That kick out on Carroll was moronic. The multiple hard fouls on Carroll were dumb and then I think it was just a boiling over of everything.Still not sure why Noble was so pissed off there.
I think it's just a combination of things. I only started watching after like the 70th minute but in the time I watched Pogba was playing dumb. That kick out on Carroll was moronic. The multiple hard fouls on Carroll were dumb and then I think it was just a boiling over of everything.
Agreed but I think that Noble was realizing this wasn't a normal ref.I mean I can understand being frustrated. Moss had managed the game really, really poorly and alternated between calling super chincy fouls and letting more physical play go.
If Noble had just got in Pogba’s face it wouldn’t have been anything, but what he did was a straight red to a normal ref. Just doesn’t seem remotely worth getting sent off for a foul that, although stupid, wasn’t that hard or really dangerous.
See, that's the problem. I remember plenty of games where people here would say calls got in Liverpool's favor.@Evilo
I can think of one game that Liverpool got helped by the refs, Mignolet should have been red carded against Stoke (I think it was Stoke). Sure there are probably more, but when I look back on a season, I try to focus on only the ones that come to my mind without thinking.
No, there is no divine right for penalties, I am just using that as an example that the team doesn't get preferential treatment. I know that there have been seasons when Suarez earned Gerrard many a PK. I feel like Milner took around 10 PKs himself last season, which doesn't mean it's a conspiracy, but those stats are way down. The biggest reason in my opinion is that Liverpool has simply stopped getting Handballs in the box called in their favor. Not that I will write a research paper on this but that's the differentiation.See, that's the problem. I remember plenty of games where people here would say calls got in Liverpool's favor.
Why would penalties be even? Why? Are each team given a number of free fouls in the box? That's a reasonning I never understood.
Usually the teams that spends the most time in the box with the ball are the most likely to be given penalties. Liverpool doesn't really fit that definition contrary to City for instance. But even that depends on what teams try to do. When you're backtracing and running, there's more chance you foul a forward going on a counter than when you defend with several players in the box.
@Evilo
Re: Liverpool officiating. I have four games with four specific moments where I think they got the short end of the stick, and lost points as a result.
Week 1 Watford's tying goal was offsides and/or a foul.
Against Everton, it wasn't a penalty on Lovren that allowed them to tie it.
Against WBA, Solanke's goal should not have been disallowed.
Against Tottenham, Lamela dove for the PK that allowed Kane to tie the game.
I don't ignore calls that go in Liverpool's favour, but I will argue against people claiming something that isn't true (such as Firmino fouling Stones, which he didn't).Same circular garbage. Indeed.
You started the season whining about reffing in EVERY single game. You managed to bring up points your team was losing ude to reffing while constantly IGNORING the favourable decisions.
Except from the beginning I've always said it's unfortunate but it usually evens out over a season (it hasn't this season in the league, though, unfortunately).Everyone told you so at the time, but you don't care, you continued your little game of counting.
Except I didn't. I pointed out that Liverpool have been meh to end the season (in reference to draws), though they could have had an easier end to the season if the reffing had gone differently, but that's why they're in the position where they need a result on the last match-day again. Savant was the one who claimed we could easily be in 2nd. But reading and comprehension has never been your strong point.And no you have the nerves to bring up reffing as to why you're not easily 2nd in the league. And when people call you out, you say they're thick-headed or post garbage.
You can't even understand what you read and expect me to worry about what your view is? Keep doing your thing. You live in your own little world.You're the clown of this board and you provide blooper moments half the time you post. Keep it up. But don't expect to be taken seriously.
Kane was offsides too and that was as issue as well but what happened with Lamela is never a penalty in my book. Very soft. He wasn't booted there was a normal level of contact that takes place on a corner kick. He felt contact and he hit the deck. I'm not flipping on that one.Watford's goal was definitely a missed call. The other three are debatable calls. Lovren's foul is soft, but those calls are going to be made more often than not in a situation like that. Solanke's goal did touch his arm, so even though it wasn't intentional, his arm was up and a ref is going to disallow that goal 99% of the time. Against Spurs I have no idea what you're complaining about, he got booted in the back of the leg. That's a penalty every day of the week. If you're complaining about something in that game it should be that Kane wasn't blown offside.
Also in both the Everton and WBA games, Liverpool dominated but couldn't finish chances to put the game away, it's pretty weak to blame the refs for those games. Everton especially. Liverpool had something like 80% possession, took over 20 shots and only managed to get 3 of them on target.
So much fun again.I don't ignore calls that go in Liverpool's favour, but I will argue against people claiming something that isn't true (such as Firmino fouling Stones, which he didn't).
Except from the beginning I've always said it's unfortunate but it usually evens out over a season (it hasn't this season in the league, though, unfortunately).
Except I didn't. I pointed out that Liverpool have been meh to end the season (in reference to draws), though they could have had an easier end to the season if the reffing had gone differently, but that's why they're in the position where they need a result on the last match-day again. Savant was the one who claimed we could easily be in 2nd. But reading and comprehension has never been your strong point.
You can't even understand what you read and expect me to worry about what your view is? Keep doing your thing. You live in your own little world.
Since when a ref is there to "reward" or "encourage"?The Everton game, sure they should have done more, but my counter to that is the ref rewarded a team with no intention of playing the game. Should that be encouraged? Mind you this is an Everton team that was supposed to walk away with 7th this year on talent, that Allardyce turned into bus parkers.
I didn't say it was solely down to the reffing either. I pointed out they had some bad decisions go against them. They've had very winnable games slip through their fingers, even recently, and that's down to them and their inability to break down parked teams consistently since the beginning of the season. Obviously in a tight season the reffing didn't help. There also is a big difference between saying they could be easily in 2nd and saying they're in the position of needing a result on the last matchday to make top 4, yes.You didn't say they could end up second, but say that they're in this position because of early reffing. Hmmm. Big difference.
He didn't, there are plenty of refs that attested to this (including the ones that officiated the game) and I provided the rules for you to read.Yes, Firmino fouled Stones. That you refuse to admit it is telling.
You already told me a dozen times it doesn't even out, that's a myth, but it already evened out? How is anyone supposed to make sense of that? Also if you believe that the calls in the PL have been 'even' for Liverpool this season that's fine, I think more big decisions have gone against them but it's not the sole reason they're in the position they are.And I told you a dozen times it doesn't even out. That's a myth. But it already evenned out then because you selectively ignored all the calls that went in your favor in those very games.
Hes not. You are right on there.Since when a ref is there to "reward" or "encourage"?
Come on Savant.
But that shouldn't even cross the ref's mind. If he sees a foul, he must call it.