GWT: Premier League 1/21-1/22

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I'm waiting for when Jesus plays together with Navas.

 

[bluesfan94]

Mariner now not allowing a clear city advantage what is happening.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Good article about Bravo's struggles

 

[Alex Jones]

In fairness he has an awful defense ahead of him, but he's not helping.

 

[Blender]

In fairness he has an awful defense ahead of him, but he's not helping.

He most definitely does, but the poor defenders doesn't really excuse dropped balls, being out of position, missing balls he should be able to reach, terrible passes/clearances, etc.

It's not like all of his goals against have been the case of his defenders leaving him hung out to try, although some have for sure.

 

[Deficient Mode]

In fairness he has an awful defense ahead of him, but he's not helping.

Article cites an analytics company's claim that on average this season he's facing the lowest quality shots of any EPL keeper along with Lloris. Defense has its issues too.

 

[Blender]

Do you think Pep is kicking himself for forcing Hart out the door at this point?

 

[bluesfan94]

Bravo didn't step into his dive on the second goal.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Do you think Pep is kicking himself for forcing Hart out the door at this point?

Probably. Although I thought Bravo was better than Hart before this season, and it's hard to foresee a decline/loss of proper technique like that.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Article cites an analytics company's claim that on average this season he's facing the lowest quality shots of any EPL keeper along with Lloris. Defense has its issues too.

That's why analytics is crap.

Do you think Pep is kicking himself for forcing Hart out the door at this point?

Not really...their issues go beyond Bravo.

 

[Deficient Mode]

That's why analytics is crap.

No..

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

No..

Yup.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Yup.

Willing to bet the data they're working from however they manipulate it is more reliable than your memory of the (presumably not all) City matches you've watched.

 

[Blender]

Not really...their issues go beyond Bravo.

Of course they do, but Hart played behind pretty much the same defenders last season and played significantly better. Bravo is letting in shots that Hart would have on a regular basis. While I don't think that fixes the team at all, it would help quite a bit.

 

[phisherman]

Shouldn't have mattered. That was blatant.

That's right. That's why refs are as much to blame for the dive culture.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Willing to bet the data they're working from however they manipulate it is more reliable than your memory of the (presumably not all) City matches you've watched.

Numbers are subjective.

Even in hockey it's not that great. In soccer it's next to useless.

 

[Blender]

Numbers are subjective.

Even in hockey it's not that great. In soccer it's next to useless.

Numbers are not subjective.

The interpretation of those statistics is what is subjective.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Of course they do, but Hart played behind pretty much the same defenders last season and played significantly better. Bravo is letting in shots that Hart would have on a regular basis. While I don't think that fixes the team at all, it would help quite a bit.

Either Bravo works out his issues or Rulli takes his place next year.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Numbers are not subjective.

The interpretation of those statistics is what is subjective.

Which makes them subjective? It's like all those people that tell me Ozil has the most assists... great he's still no better than a lot of CM's that get less.

 

[Blender]

Which makes them subjective? It's like all those people that tell me Ozil has the most assists... great he's still no better than a lot of CM's that get less.

Ozil having the most assists is an objective fact though. A person using that to try and make an argument doesn't make the number subjective, only their conclusion.

 

[phisherman]

Ozil having the most assists is an objective fact though. A person using that to try and make an argument doesn't make the number subjective, only their conclusion.

Exactly.

The numbers don't lie.

 

[Blender]

To expand on that, I agree that the way advanced stats are used is definitely flawed, but the problem with advanced stats is not the stats themselves. The problem is that people take one or two advanced stats and come to a conclusion based on that, without taking the wide range of stats available into account and without actually watching the player to see their skill set.

 

[phisherman]

To expand on that, I agree that the way advanced stats are used is definitely flawed, but the problem with advanced stats is not the stats themselves. The problem is that people take one or two advanced stats and come to a conclusion based on that, without taking the wide range of stats available into account and without actually watching the player to see their skill set.

Also people interpreting these advanced stats might not know the difference between causation and correlation.

 

[cgf]

And this is why players dive. Stupid refs only consider it a foul in the box if the player goes down.

This. Just like Ozil against Spain in 2010, when he didn't dive right before the half.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Ozil having the most assists is an objective fact though. A person using that to try and make an argument doesn't make the number subjective, only their conclusion.

What constitutes to an assist is what makes numbers subjective.

Exactly.

The numbers don't lie.

They do.

This. Just like Ozil against Spain in 2010, when he didn't dive right before the half.

Or Maxi against Germany in 06... poor kid even got booked for diving.