Pre-Game Talk: Predators @ Habs, Saturday at 7

[Pickles]

I don't know if you've been paying attention but Subban already has more points than Shea Weber did last year in twenty-five fewer games. There's no exaggerating on my part. P.K. is doing something now that Shea is incapable of. For the last year, P.K. has been inarguably the better player.

Stop begging the question with this ''at worst it's a lateral move'' b.s. We're losing this trade.

We lost that trade the moment it was made. Shea was never going to lead this team in points the way Subban did and he's doing the same thing for Nashville.

 

[Goodbahd]

There is only one guy who's embarrassing himself here.

Hint: it's not Lebowski. Phil Housely at least you put the ö on Lidström

Well I guess you just did embarrass yourself, because you basically inadvertently tried to argue that Housely would be better than Lidström if we were to consider point totals as the sole focus of evaluating defenseman, which is what you tried to do.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Are you going to embarrass yourself drawing parallels between Weber and Lidstrom?

Lidstrom wishes he could be as good as Weber’s Reputation.

 

[vokiel]

I've never seen a PGT with that many posts..

GO PK! Gordie Howe Hat Trick FTW... Fight... I don't know Gallagher?

 

[E82]

I’m neutral about the player, that’s why I can offer an objective analysis about the situation. Your contention is that your angry about the trade and trying to take it out on other posters who don’t think like you.

lmao dont kill me with your objective BS

 

[Lebowski]

Your not making sense. I didn’t draw parallels between the two. I said arguments about points, are not good indicators of who is better when it comes to evaluating defenseman. I used the Housely versus Lidström as an example.

Both Subban and Weber are on a lower level than both Housely and Lidström, respectively.

Do you know what drawing a parallel means?

Because you're quite clearly insinuating that Subban is the Housley of your scenario, ergo "all points", and Weber is the Lidstrom.

It just goes to show how out in the left field you are when it comes to evaluating either player. Which, to be fair, is the only justification for anyone that still defends this trade.

 

[Rapala]

I've never seen a PGT with that many posts..

GO PK! Gordie Howe Hat Trick FTW... Fight... I don't know Gallagher?

It's like a game with some real emotion for once.
But the score is rather lopsided.

 

[Koivu11]

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I’m neutral about the player, that’s why I can offer an objective analysis about the situation. Your contention is that your angry about the trade and trying to take it out on other posters who don’t think like you.

Actual neutral fans offering objective analysis have PK as the front runner for the Norris this season.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Subban is having a better season this year. Weber has a better season last year, unfortunately he’s been injured all year. Right now it’s a lateral move at worst. Weber is still elite. He had 16 points in 26 games before injury.

Subban was injured last year. Why doesn't that get included in your comparison of their seasons last year? Subban still managed to finish with a higher P/GP than Weber, despite his injury, and Weber's health. For all of 2017, including the playoffs, Subban was the better player, and he has a Conn-Smythe vote to prove it.

Subban's 2016-17, moreover, was better than Weber's season this year, such as it is.

Your points argument is completely invalid though.

What the f*** is a points argument?

Phil Housely has more points in fewer games played than Nik Lidström. Are you going to embarrass yourself and try to suggest that Housely was better?

I actually don't even have to engage with this point, since you already conceded that Subban is having a better season than Weber has had in recent memory.

Weber will finally have a handicap of 0 this year, if everything goes well.

 

[MaxDummy]

He had 16 points in 26 games before injury.

He had 6 goals 7 assists, 13 points .+16 in 16 games last year too. 67 points pace

Still finished the year with 17g 25a in 78 games, a 44 points pace.....

Something tells me it would of been similar this year

 

[MaxDummy]

tried to argue that Housely would be better than Lidström if we were to consider point totals as the sole focus of evaluating defenseman, which is what you tried to do.

Wut. Where did I did this?

Also

HOUSLEY, not Housely..

 

[Koivu11]

Un jeu individualisse.

 

[Tabarouette]

life's too short to argue with people who still think Weber is better than Subban in the modern NHL, let it go folks

 

[Habset]

Subban is having a better season this year. Weber has a better season last year, unfortunately he’s been injured all year. Right now it’s a lateral move at worst. Weber is still elite. He had 16 points in 26 games before injury.

Your points argument is completely invalid though.

Phil Housely has more points in fewer games played than Nik Lidström. Are you going to embarrass yourself and try to suggest that Housely was better?

Weber is elite but Subban is on a higher level right now. You keep bringing up last season but in an injured season Subban still had a better PPG and helped his team make it much further then with Weber as their captain for the last 11 seasons. Subban has made it to 2 separate conference finals and Weber hasn't even been past the 2nd round despite a longer career.

Comparing their stats since the trade will show you how Subban has stood out since then:

Subban: 0.67 ppg
Weber: 0.55 ppg

Weber doesn't even stand out much where he was supposed to be a clear favorite:

Subban: 0.19 gpg
Weber: 0.22 gpg

Subban: +8
Weber: +13

 

[MaxDummy]

Un jeu individualisse.

Look at the celebration ... So selfish .

 

[Whitesnake]

People whine when ex-habs are booed when they are coming back to Montreal. WAtch now how people will whine when they'll do the exact opposite tonight. This might very well get out of hands.....lol

 

[Whitesnake]

He had 6 goals 7 assists, 13 points .+16 in 16 games last year too. 67 points pace

Still finished the year with 17g 25a in 78 games, a 44 points pace.....

Something tells me it would of been similar this year

Yeah this stupid "pace" thing is just that....stupid.

 

[member 256847]

Go Subban go, please destroy us!

 

[Goodbahd]

Wut. Where did I did this?

Also

HOUSLEY, not Housely..

Oops, Housely. But “where did I did this”, really?!

 

[Lebowski]

People whine when ex-habs are booed when they are coming back to Montreal. WAtch now how people will whine when they'll do the exact opposite tonight. This might very well get out of hands.....lol

The people that'd whine about that on here, I can count on my hands.

Half of them don't even bother posting at the moment because the sole purpose of their existence seem to be trashing certain players. They won't show up if Subban does well. I'd bet we could see some long gone familiar faces around these parts tonight if Subban has a rough time.

 

[loudi94]

I know I do this to myself, but following and posting on this site doesn't enhance my enjoyment in following the Habs. I'm guessing I am not alone in this and I would also guess those that follow the radio enjoy it even less. My wife who does neither, is blissfully in love with the team even when things go wrong. After all isn't that what it is about? A positive distraction from the rigours of daily life. I for one would welcome some of that naivete.

 

[roy munson]

Un jeu individualisse.

This sequence is a great analogy for the kind of player Subban is: takes a penalty and makes it up by scoring a spectacular playoff goal vs the Bruins, right out of the box. Beautiful. He is also wearing the right jersey.

 

[Maliki2]

I dont give a shit...hes gone get over it. Time to move on. So much drama.

 

[OldCraig71]

This sequence is a great analogy for the kind of player Subban is: takes a penalty and makes it up by scoring a spectacular playoff goal vs the Bruins, right out of the box. Beautiful. He is also wearing the right jersey.

Subban brought all of us out of our seats, you don't trade that.