Post Your 2022 Draft List

[Frk It]

My updated list. I think my next list will come after the World Juniors.

Spoiler: Top 64+32 HM's

2022 Draft List:

1. Shane Wright-C
2. Matthew Savoie-C
3. Ryan Chesley-RD
4. Brad Lambert-C
5. Danila Yurov-W
6. Ivan Miroshnichenko
7. David Jiricek-RD
8. Rutger McGroarty-C
9. Joakim Kemell-W
10. Simon Nemec-RD
11. Seamus Casey-RD
12. Logan Cooley-C
13. Jonathan Lekkerimaki-W
14. Conor Geekie-C
15. Noah Oestlund-C
16. Cutter Gauthier-C
17. Tristan Luneau-RD
18. Ryan Greene-C
19. Jack Hughes-C
20. Lane Hutson-LD
21. Topias Leinonen-G
22. Juraj Slafkovsky-W
23. Nathan Gaucher-C
24. Elias Salomonsson-RD
25. Maddox Fleming-C
26. Arseni Koromyslov-LD
27. Frank Nazar-W
28. Jiri Kulich-C
29. Danny Zhilkin-C
30. Devin Kaplan-W
31. Alexander Perevalov-W
32. Denton Mateychuk-LD
33. Filip Mesar-W
34. Tyler Dunbar-LD
35. Noah Warren-RD
36. Topi Ronni-C
37. Kirill Kudryavtsev-LD
38. Ryan Healey-RD
39. Isaac Howard-W
40. Liam Oehgren-W
41. Mats Lindgren-LD
42. Sam Rinzel-RD
43. Simon Slavichek-W
44. Sergei Ivanov-G
45. Tyler Brennan-G
46. Mattias Havelid-RD
47. Ty Nelson-RD
48. Kasper Kulonummi-RD
49. Marco Kasper-C
50. Artyom Duda-LD
51. Quinn Finley-C
52. Ludvig Persson-W
53. Calle Odelius-LD
54. Ilya Kvochko-C
55. Ludvig Jansson-RD
56. Lian Bichsel-LD
57. Alexander Suzdalev-W
58. Jimmy Snuggerud-C
59. Simon Forsmark-LD
60. Michael Mastrodomenico-RD
61. Spencer Sova-LD
62. Tyler Duke-LD
63. Noah Greuter-W
64. Filip Bystedt-C

HM’s (32 un-ranked players approximates a third round): Raul Yakupov (W), Tomas Hamara(LD), Otto Salin(RD), Julian Lutz(W), Antonin Verreault(W), Vladimir Grudinin(LD), Vladislav Sapunov(RD), Markus Vidicek(C), Jordan Dumais(W), Pano Fimis(C), Brandon Lisowsky(W), Matthew Ward(W), Paul Ludwinski(C), Bryce McConnell-Barker(C), Rastislav Elias(G), Gabriel Kangas(C), Matyas Sapovaliv(C), Justin Cote(W), Jake Livanavage (LD), Charlie Leddy (RD), Dylan Silverstein(G), Hudson Thornton(LD), Michael La Starza(W), Jordan Gustafson(C), Helmer Styf(C), Cole Spicer(C), David Goyette(C), Miko Matikka(W), Kevin Korcinski(LD), Fabian Wagner(C), Semyon Sityakin(W), Josef Viliam Kmec(RD)

Could you explain the thought process behind McGroarty above Kemell, Cooley, Nazar, and Slafkovsky?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Could you explain the thought process behind McGroarty above Kemell, Cooley, Nazar, and Slafkovsky?

I explained some of it here.

If I was to compare the main reason why McGroarty is 6 slots higher, I see higher upside in his game because I think his scoring potential is extremely high. Outside of my top 3 forwards, he's the player in this draft that I could see hitting 100 points, if he hits his ceiling. I've compared his scoring upside before to Drasaitl, and it seems silly to say he'll be as good as a player that is a lock to be a HOF'er. However, I think his upside is extremely high due to how good I think the different aspects of his scoring potential are (passing, shot, sense, size, stick-stills).

To add on slightly, I know some people say he's a bad skater, but look at Cole Sillinger, who I would say skates worse than McGroarty. Not all guys that aren't better than average skaters are going to struggle. I don't even think McGroarty is a bad skater. Maybe he's not a good skater, but I don't see his skating being more than slightly below average, and I think it could become average. There's no real weakness, aside from that. He has size, hockey sense, pretty good defensive play. Maybe he plays at center, maybe winger, so thats a question that still has to be answered, but I'm not sure that effects whether he has success in the NHL.

And then as I said above, the offensive skills are elite. A lot of this stuff is team dependent, but I think he's the type of player that if he's in the right situation he could put up 35-40 PP points per season, if he hits his ceiling. I think his skills within the offensive zone are that good.

 

[Frk It]

I explained some of it here.



To add on slightly, I know some people say he's a bad skater, but look at Cole Sillinger, who I would say skates worse than McGroarty. Not all guys that aren't better than average skaters are going to struggle. I don't even think McGroarty is a bad skater. Maybe he's not a good skater, but I don't see his skating being more than slightly below average, and I think it could become average. There's no real weakness, aside from that. He has size, hockey sense, pretty good defensive play. Maybe he plays at center, maybe winger, so thats a question that still has to be answered, but I'm not sure that effects whether he has success in the NHL.

And then as I said above, the offensive skills are elite. A lot of this stuff is team dependent, but I think he's the type of player that if he's in the right situation he could put up 35-40 PP points per season, if he hits his ceiling. I think his skills within the offensive zone are that good.

I mean, if there was a guy on the US team I thought had this super high end offensive skill set, it would be Nazar for me.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He is a guy who gets super excited about small sample WJHC performances and it leads discussion.

Perevalov's performance isn't small sample though...

 

[PatrickMcC]

My updated list. I think my next list will come after the World Juniors.

Spoiler: Top 64+32 HM's

2022 Draft List:

1. Shane Wright-C
2. Matthew Savoie-C
3. Ryan Chesley-RD
4. Brad Lambert-C
5. Danila Yurov-W
6. Ivan Miroshnichenko
7. David Jiricek-RD
8. Rutger McGroarty-C
9. Joakim Kemell-W
10. Simon Nemec-RD
11. Seamus Casey-RD
12. Logan Cooley-C
13. Jonathan Lekkerimaki-W
14. Conor Geekie-C
15. Noah Oestlund-C
16. Cutter Gauthier-C
17. Tristan Luneau-RD
18. Ryan Greene-C
19. Jack Hughes-C
20. Lane Hutson-LD
21. Topias Leinonen-G
22. Juraj Slafkovsky-W
23. Nathan Gaucher-C
24. Elias Salomonsson-RD
25. Maddox Fleming-C
26. Arseni Koromyslov-LD
27. Frank Nazar-W
28. Jiri Kulich-C
29. Danny Zhilkin-C
30. Devin Kaplan-W
31. Alexander Perevalov-W
32. Denton Mateychuk-LD
33. Filip Mesar-W
34. Tyler Dunbar-LD
35. Noah Warren-RD
36. Topi Ronni-C
37. Kirill Kudryavtsev-LD
38. Ryan Healey-RD
39. Isaac Howard-W
40. Liam Oehgren-W
41. Mats Lindgren-LD
42. Sam Rinzel-RD
43. Simon Slavichek-W
44. Sergei Ivanov-G
45. Tyler Brennan-G
46. Mattias Havelid-RD
47. Ty Nelson-RD
48. Kasper Kulonummi-RD
49. Marco Kasper-C
50. Artyom Duda-LD
51. Quinn Finley-C
52. Ludvig Persson-W
53. Calle Odelius-LD
54. Ilya Kvochko-C
55. Ludvig Jansson-RD
56. Lian Bichsel-LD
57. Alexander Suzdalev-W
58. Jimmy Snuggerud-C
59. Simon Forsmark-LD
60. Michael Mastrodomenico-RD
61. Spencer Sova-LD
62. Tyler Duke-LD
63. Noah Greuter-W
64. Filip Bystedt-C

HM’s (32 un-ranked players approximates a third round): Raul Yakupov (W), Tomas Hamara(LD), Otto Salin(RD), Julian Lutz(W), Antonin Verreault(W), Vladimir Grudinin(LD), Vladislav Sapunov(RD), Markus Vidicek(C), Jordan Dumais(W), Pano Fimis(C), Brandon Lisowsky(W), Matthew Ward(W), Paul Ludwinski(C), Bryce McConnell-Barker(C), Rastislav Elias(G), Gabriel Kangas(C), Matyas Sapovaliv(C), Justin Cote(W), Jake Livanavage (LD), Charlie Leddy (RD), Dylan Silverstein(G), Hudson Thornton(LD), Michael La Starza(W), Jordan Gustafson(C), Helmer Styf(C), Cole Spicer(C), David Goyette(C), Miko Matikka(W), Kevin Korcinski(LD), Fabian Wagner(C), Semyon Sityakin(W), Josef Viliam Kmec(RD)

How would you compare wingers like Yurov, Miroshnichenko, and Kemell to the top wingers in 2021 (Eklund, Guenther, Lysell etc...) and the top wingers in 2020 (Laff, Stutzle, Raymond, Perfetti etc...)

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

How would you compare wingers like Yurov, Miroshnichenko, and Kemell to the top wingers in 2021 (Eklund, Guenther, Lysell etc...) and the top wingers in 2020 (Laff, Stutzle, Raymond, Perfetti etc...)

Pretty similar. I don’t think there’s any big discrepancies between the caliber of wingers between those drafts. Just different styles of player that you named.

 

[wetcoast]

Perevalov's performance isn't small sample though...

I was talking about how Button reacts to a small sample in the tournament usually altering his rankings quite a bit, not so much about Perevalov.

 

[Antiillafire]

I think a number of those Swedes are late 2003's, so they wouldn't have been at that tournament. From the Swedes at that tournament, I moved down a few players, and moved up a few players. I wouldn't say I'm overly positive about the Swedes. Seems like an average crop for them without any top talents, but maybe some good depth.

As to the Slovaks, I moved Nemec up I think 16 spots, which is among the most of any players. I'm not sure I'm low on him anymore, maybe a little, but nothing substantial. Mesar moved up 10 spots from the prior list. There's never really a huge difference on these lists between 25-45, so I could certainly see him move up or down as the season goes on, but I have him 1 slot outside of round 1. Thats pretty good. Slafkovsky is the player I'm a little concerned about. His start to the season hasn't been too great. I see the puck skills, size, puck protection, scoring ability, but I think his defensive game needs work, as does his skating. I think he has some of the higher upside among the players outside of the top 15 on my list, but he hasn't really had a great start to the season in Liiga. I'm trying to balance his performance at the Hlinka with his start to the season. I think he's actually in the exact same slot as what I had before the Hlinka.

I'm not sure which other Slovaks are top 64 contenders at this time. I think I was rather generous to Elias to keep him as a third rounder due to his weaker start. I like his game though, so maybe he will improve and move up his list. 2nd round for a goalie is tough, but I guess it's possible if he has a very good season. Kmec moved up from my preseason list. I didn't elevate any players I didn't have on my prior list into the first round, and very few into the second round. If he continues to play as well as he has, second round certainly is possible. Petrovsky also moved into the next group of players I considered for my list, although he didn't make my list. Third round, maybe late 2nd, is a possibility. And then that could be six Slovaks in the first 3 rounds. That might be more than the Czech's, and probably any other country other than the big five nations. When was the last time that happened for Slovakia? I think that'd be a great start to regaining their status in international hockey. 2023 should also be a good draft for Slovakia.

Yeah I see what your saying and agree with you. It seems that the HGC performance set us up for high expectations that were going to be very difficult to fulfill. This 04 group beat usa, Sweden, and Finland and Germany with the last 2 being handily. Yet it looks like there is a good chance only 3, maybe 4 will be chosen. Seems almost guaranteed we will end up with less 2004 borns drafted than Finland, despite beating them 6-2 and likely a third or even less players compared to Sweden 2004 born. This stage seems to be the killer for Slovak player development. Draft year production and development disappoints. Ruzicka, Cajkovic, Roman, Chromiak, Hlavaj -> now Elias, Zlnka, Repcik, Sotek, Natny. Looks like it could be a disappointing draft for us, when looking back.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yeah I see what your saying and agree with you. It seems that the HGC performance set us up for high expectations that were going to be very difficult to fulfill. This 04 group beat usa, Sweden, and Finland and Germany with the last 2 being handily. Yet it looks like there is a good chance only 3, maybe 4 will be chosen. Seems almost guaranteed we will end up with less 2004 borns drafted than Finland, despite beating them 6-2 and likely a third or even less players compared to Sweden 2004 born. This stage seems to be the killer for Slovak player development. Draft year production and development disappoints. Ruzicka, Cajkovic, Roman, Chromiak, Hlavaj -> now Elias, Zlnka, Repcik, Sotek, Natny. Looks like it could be a disappointing draft for us, when looking back.

Slovakia has to start their improvement somewhere. While I’m sure you’d like to beat the numbers of Finland or Sweden right away, that should be more of a long-term plan. Being better than Czech Republic at producing drafted players is a good short term plan. Make 2023 better than 2022 and then 2024 better than 2023. It won’t all come together right away. It’s likely to be a slow process for Slovakia to improve.

 

[Garl]

Good list. A lot of Swedish players from the HGC in top 64, and only 3 slovaks. Sweden must have easily won that game against Slovakia in dominating fashion than!

Yes, sure, just like Finland with Lankinen and Jokiharju winning 2019 IIHF WHC over Canada and Russia with star-packed rosters with Dubois, Nurse, Stone, Kucherov, Malkin, Vasilevskyi, Kuznetsov, Kaprizov etc would mean that Finland has to had at least as much NHL talent on the ice.

 

[Antiillafire]

Yes, sure, just like Finland with Lankinen and Jokiharju winning 2019 IIHF WHC over Canada and Russia with star-packed rosters with Dubois, Nurse, Stone, Kucherov, Malkin, Vasilevskyi, Kuznetsov, Kaprizov etc would mean that Finland has to had at least as much NHL talent on the ice.

That is the worst comparison I’ve ever heard, you can’t compare a junior tournament with a senior one

 

[Garl]

That is the worst comparison I’ve ever heard, you can’t compare a junior tournament with a senior one

You surely can. But, I mean, you can find such comparsions in juniors aswell. Slovakia 2015 for example. How many future NHLers did they have? Cernak? I don't remember if he was there, but Sweden who lost to them had at least W.Nylander, Kempe, Forsling, Lindblom and Olofsson

Look, Slovakia had 3 best players on the ice vs Sweden in Slafkovsky, Nemec and Dvorsky(who is 2023). Doesn't mean that the rest of this group is better than the swedish one. You can say the same about Russia, they have an good 2004 group, but if you put Michkov and Miroshnichenko aside, swedish 2004 is probably better, but with Michkov and Miroshnichenko, Russia is the favorite.

Nemec is better than any swedish defenseman from 2004. Slafkovsky is better than any swedish forward from 2004. And Dvorsky is even better than Slafkovsky.
But if you merge Sweden and Slovakia in one team, it will be mostly speaking swedish.

PS Out of 11 swedish players on that list only 7 were at Hlinka, Jansson, Persson and Forsmark are 2003 and Suzdalev was ill.

 

[james12]

Looks like it could be a disappointing draft for us, when looking back.

Nemec, Slafkovsky - 1st round
Mesar - 1st/2nd round
Petrovsky - top 100
Kmec - 4th round

And I'm convinced that at least 2-3 other players will be selected as well (bet: Elias and Sykora). And someone can rise up like Demek this year. In all aspects, one of the best drafts in 20 years.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Slovakia has to start their improvement somewhere. While I’m sure you’d like to beat the numbers of Finland or Sweden right away, that should be more of a long-term plan. Being better than Czech Republic at producing drafted players is a good short term plan. Make 2023 better than 2022 and then 2024 better than 2023. It won’t all come together right away. It’s likely to be a slow process for Slovakia to improve.

Czechia will stay ahead. For 2022 and for the years to come. If Slovakia reaches 8 players it will be a great performance. When the Czech Republic gets 8 players like the last 3 years, it's a bad performance. The Slovaks are progressing, but so are the Czechs, and the Czech population is twice as numerous.

The order will not change in Europe in the next few years. It will always be 1 Sweden 2 Finland 3 Czechia 4 Slovakia.

 

[spikethedog]

2022 Draft Rankings
Just a few words before I post my Nov-21 draft rankings.

1. Size – Size matters one again. Who knew?
It has been significantly under-reported but there has been a seismic shift in drafting related to under-sized players (Under 5’11). By my calculations the drafted under-sized players in the 2021 draft fell 54% from 2020 and 46% from 2019. Even more significantly, the under-sized taken in the 7th round fell by more than 80% from both 2020 and 2019. I currently have 5 under-sized players in the 1st round – Cooley (6), Savoie (9), Nazar (10), Howard (11) and Mesar (22).

2. OHL – It matters when you lose a season.
The hardest group to evaluate this season has been the OHLers. On one night they look like superstars in the making and the next night they would be lucky to qualify for decent pond hockey. It looks like it will be a while before many of them find their groove. I currently have 4 OHLers in the 1st round – Wright (1), Poitras (23), Ludwinski (24) and Mintyakov (31) plus 8 in the 2nd – Gazizov (35), McConnell-Barker (37), Zhilkin (39), Goyette (44), Nelson (46), Robertson (48), Haight (54) and Sapovaliv (61).

3. Goalies – Where have all the goalies gone?
There is some justification for me having 2 goalies in the 2nd round – Brennan (47, .919) and Leinonen (51, .921). However, after that it is mostly retros (previous draft-eligibles) who stand out. Here are some retro names for you – Holt (101. .930), Whitehead (121, .944), Blomquist (136, .934), Malik (146, .924) and Brochu (158, .913).

4. Modest-sized right wingers – There is a sale on.
If you are looking for a modestly-sized, skilled right winger, this is your year. Those available include Kemell (3), Savoie (9), Nazar (10), Lekkerimaki (13), Perevalov (20) and Mesar (22). You could also add the slightly more average-sized Miroshnichenko (4) who is current a left winger but he shoots right and Lambert (14) who is currently at centre but may end up on right wing.

5. Europe and NTDP – It’s a good year.
It is banner year for Europe and the USA U18 NTDP. There are currently 15 players playing in Europe in my 1st round.
4 – Finland – Kemell (3), Lambert (14), Nyman (16) and Matikka (27)
3 – Russia – Yurov (2), Miroshnichenko (4) and Perevalov (20)
3 – Slovakia – Slavkovsky (7) who is playing in Finland, Nemec (12) and Mesar (22)
3 – Sweden – Lekkerimaki (13), Ohgren (19) and Salomonsson (28).
1 – Czech Republic – Jiricek (8)
1 – Switzerland – Bichsel (32) who is playing in Sweden

The USA U18 NTDP is also enjoying a renaissance. I have 6 players in the 1st round and the potential for more before the season ends – Cooley (6), Nazar (10), Howard (11), McGroarty (17), Chesley (21) and Snuggerud (29.

 

[spikethedog]

2022 Rankings​
E-Mac​	Name​	68G Eq​	Ht​	Wt​	S​	Pos​	Nat​	21-22 League​
​	Round 1 (1-32)​		0​	9​
1	Wright, Shane	87	6'1	185	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
2	Yurov, Danila	136	6'1	178	L	F	RUS	RUS - KHL
3	Kemell, Joakim	77	5'11	171	R	RW	FIN	FIN U20
4	Miroshnichenko, Ivan	31	6'1	185	R	LW	RUS	RUS - VHL
5	Geekie, Conor	87	6'3	193	R	C	USA	CAN - WHL
6	Cooley, Logan	91	5'10	174	L	C	USA	USA - NTDP
7	Slavkovsky, Juraj	128	6'4	218	L	F	SVK	FIN U20
8	Jiricek, David	29	6'3	189	R	D	CZE	CZE 1
9	Savoie, Matthew	110	5'9	179	R	C	CDN	CAN - WHL
10	Nazar, Frank	76	5'10	175	R	RW	USA	USA - NDTP
11	Howard, Isaac	76	5'10	182	L	LW	USA	USA - NDTP
12	Nemec, Simon	38	6'0	190	R	D	SVK	SVK 1
13	Lekkerimaki, Jonathan	106	5'11	165	R	C	SWE	SWE J20
14	Lambert, Brad	18	6'1	175	R	C	FIN	FIN 1
15	Gaucher, Nathan	64	6'3	208	R	C	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
16	Nyman, Jani	95	6'3	212	L	LW	FIN	FIN 2
17	McGroarty, Rutger	102	6'1	203	L	C	USA	USA - NDTP
18	Luneau, Tristan	44	6'2	175	R	D	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
19	Ohgren, Liam	111	6'0	187	L	LW	SWE	SWE J20
20	Perevalov, Alexander	96	6'0	191	R	LW	RUS	RUS - MHL
21	Chesley, Ryan	16	6'0	187	R	D	USA	USA - NDTP
22	Mesar, Filip	34	5'10	167	R	F	SVK	SVK 1
23	Poitras, Matthew	60	5'11	173	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
24	Ludwinski, Paul	49	5'11	172	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
25	Mateychuk, Denton	64	5'11	188	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
26	Hughes, Jack	28	5'11	165	L	F	USA	USA - NCAA
27	Matikka, Miko	68	6'3	187	R	RW	FIN	FIN U20
28	Salomonsson, Elias	49	6'0	172	R	D	SWE	SWE J20
29	Snuggerud, Jimmy	72	6'1	186	R	F	USA	USA - NTDP
30	Korchinski, Kevin	39	6'1	185	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
31	Mintyukov, Pavel	31	6'2	192	L	D	RUS	CAN - OHL
32	Bichsel, Lian	10	6'5	216	L	D	SUI	SWE J20
​	Round 2 (33-64)​		2​	11​
33	Pickering, Owen	26	6'4	179	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
34	Duda, Artem	59	6'1	180	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL
35	Gazizov, Ruslan	95	5'11	185	L	F	RUS	RUS - MHL
36	Seminoff, Matthew	102	5'10	161	R	RW	USA	CAN - WHL
37	McConnell-Barker, Bryce	48	6'1	187	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
38	Nordberg, Filip	52	6'4	207	L	D	SWE	SWE J20
39	Zhilkin, Danny	64	6'1	183	R	C	USA	CAN - OHL
40	Forsmark, Simon	71	6'2	191	L	D	SWE	SWE J20
41	Bystedt, Filip	77	6'3	187	L	C	SWE	SWE J20
42	Gauthier, Cutter	64	6'2	189	L	LW	USA	USA - NTDP
43	Neuchev, Viktor	71	6'2	165	L	F	RUS	RUS - MHL
44	Goyette, David	54	5'11	172	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
45	Kaskimaki, Aleksanteri	100	6'0	181	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
46	Nelson, Ty	64	5'10	195	R	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
47	Brennan, Tyler	0.919	6'4	180	L	G	CDN	CAN - WHL
48	Kasper, Marco	26	6'1	183	L	C	AUT	SWE 1
49	Robertson, Tucker (OA1)	127	5'11	190	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
50	Lamoureux, Maveric	19	6'7	196	L	RW	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
51	Leinonen, Tobias	0.921	6'4	214	L	G	FIN	FIN U20
52	Ostlund, Noah	102	5'10	163	L	C	SWE	SWE J20
53	Persson, Ludwig	95	6'0	178	L	LW	SWE	SWE J20
54	Haight, Hunter	39	5'11	173	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
55	Trikozov, Gleb	94	6'1	185	R	F	RUS	RUS - MHL
56	Rinzel, Sam	68	6'4	177	R	D	USA	USA - USHL
57	Lindgren, Mats	41	5'11	173	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
58	Koromyslov, Arseni	24	6'3	180	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL
59	Kaplan, Devin	53	6'2	190	R	F	USA	USA - NTDP
60	Warren, Noah	24	6'5	214	R	D	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
61	Kulich, Jiri	29	6'0	172	L	F	CZE	CZE 1
62	Kmec, Jozef Viliam	41	6'2	198	R	D	SVK	CAN - WHL
63	Sapovaliv, Matyas	42	6'3	179	L	F	CZE	CAN - OHL
64	Salin, Otto	68	5'11	187	R	D	FIN	FIN U20
​	Round 3 (65-96)​		0​	13​
65	Dumais, Jordan	106	5'8	165	R	RW	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
66	Odelius, Calle	56	5'11	185	L	F	SWE	SWE J20
67	Donovan, Jorian	21	6'1	182	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
68	Suzdalev, Alexander	74	6'2	172	L	LW	RUS	SWE J20
69	Sova, Spencer	29	6'0	185	L	D	USA	CAN - OHL
70	Fimis, Pano	45	5'9	175	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
71	Del Bel Belluz, Luca	87	6'1	178	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
72	Ronni, Topi	52	6'2	179	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
73	Juhola, Patrik	79	6'2	214	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
74	Casey, Seamus	49	5'10	162	R	D	USA	NTDP
75	Lucius, Chaz	43	6'0	177	R	F	USA	USA - NDTP
76	Sulku, Salteri	79	6'3	185	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
77	Kulonummi, Kasper	54	6'0	178	R	D	FIN	FIN U20
78	Lorenz, Rieger	98	6'2	184	L	C	CDN	CDN - AJHL
79	Beck, Owen	53	5'11	190	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
80	Petrovsky, Servac	63	5'10	172	L	C	SVK	CAN - OHL
81	Komarov, Vsevolod	12	6'1	176	R	D	RUS	CAN - QMJHL
82	Yakupov, Raul	58	6'1	176	L	F	RUS	RUS - MHL
83	Gustafson, Jordan	73	5'11	178	L	F	CDN	CAN - WHL
84	Armsby, Liam	48	5'10	181	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
85	Verreault, Antonin	56	5'8	162	L	LW	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
86	Devine, Jack	30	5'11	173	R	F	USA	USA - NCAA
87	Pettersson, Elias	32	6'2	185	L	D	SWE	SWE J20
88	Orlov, Daniil	38	6'2	180	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL
89	Hamara, Thomas	36	6'0	185	L	D	CZE	FIN U20
90	George, Isiah	24	6'0	195	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
91	Weir, Jace	36	6'2	183	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
92	Rohrer, Vinzenz	60	5'11	180	R	RW	AUT	CAN - OHL
93	Furlong, Jake	17	6'1	189	L	D	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
94	Smith, Colton	63	6'3	207	L	LW	CDN	CAN - OHL
95	Ivanov, Daniil	32	6'4	200	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL
96	Langlois, Jeremy	61	6'0	186	L	D	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
​	Round 4 (97-128)​		4​	8​
97	Brovkin, Artur (OA3)	74	6'4	172	L	LW	RUS	RUS - VHL
98	Burnside, Davis	68	5'11	176	R	F	USA	USA - USHL
99	Wagner, Fabian	68	5'11	170	L	RW	SWE	SWE J20
100	Edward, Jackson	19	6'3	186	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
101	Holt, Braden (OA1)	0.930	6'1	161	L	G	USA	CAN - WHL
102	Lutz, Julian	#DIV/0!	6'2	185	L	F	GER	GER 1
103	Hayes, Gavin	0	6'2	177	R	RW	USA	CAN - OHL
104	Minten, Fraser	53	6'1	185	L	F	CDN	CAN - WHL
105	Ward, Mathew	81	5'8	156	L	RW	CDN	CAN - WHL
106	Milne, Mikey (OA1)	110	5'11	185	L	LW	CDN	CAN - WHL
107	Greene, Ryan	40	6'1	174	R	C	CDN	USA - USHL
108	Bell, Parker	57	6'4	192	L	LW	CDN	CAN - WHL
109	Mathurin, Tnias	16	6'3	200	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
110	Castle, Aidan	36	5'11	168	L	LW	CDN	CAN - OHL
111	Smolin, Alexander	0.967	6'1	152	L	G	RUS	RUS - MHL
112	Jansson, Ludwig	4	6'0	176	R	D	SWE	SWE 2
113	Dorrington, Jackson	26	6'2	192	L	D	USA	USA - USHL
114	Konyen, Evan	50	5'10	169	R	RW	CDN	CAN - OHL
115	Buchinger, Michael	38	6'0	178	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
116	Karlsson, Gustav	85	6'1	165	L	C	SWE	SWE J20
117	Ingram, Adam	82	6'2	165	L	C	CAN	USA - USHL
118	Finley, Quinn	49	6'0	168	L	C	USA	USA - USHL
119	Hokkanen, Otto	51	6'2	184	L	F	FIN	FIN 1
120	Schuurman, Brayden	44	5'9	191	R	F	CDN	CAN - WHL
121	Whitehead, Cameron (OA1)	0.944	6'3	170	L	G	USA	USA - USHL
122	Karabela, Jake	55	5'11	165	L	C	CAN	CAN - OHL
123	Lundell, Kasper	68	5'11	174	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
124	Havelid, Mattias	29	5'9	165	R	D	SWE	SWE J20
125	Laakso, Elmeri	36	6'1	185	L	D	FIN	FIN U20
126	Barbashev, Maxim	53	6'0	181	L	LW	RUS	CAN - QMJHL
127	Homer, Gibson	0.907	6'5	200	L	G	USA	USA - USHL
128	Pelevin, Alexander	23	5'11	176	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

1 Wright
2 Kemell
3 Miroshnichenko
4 Savoie
5 Nemec
6 Jiricek
7 Lambert
8 Iurov
9 Cooley
10 Nelson
11 Slafkovsky
12 McGroarty
13 Geekie
14 Bystedt
15 Casey
16 Bichsel
17 Nazar
18 Howard
19 Perevalov
20 Kasper
21 Gaucher
22 Kulich
23 Mateychuk
24 Salomonsson
25 Snuggerud
26 Hughes
27 Mesar
28 M.Havelid
29 C.Gauthier
30 Forsmark
31 Seminoff
32 Hamara

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Good lists.
1. Wright
2. Savoie
3. Kemmell
4. Jiricek
5. Nemec
6. Yurov
7. Slafkovsky
8. Geekie
9. Cooley
10. Mirosnichenko
11. McGroarty
12. Howard
13. Lambert
14. Luneau
15. Gaucher
16. Casey
17. Chesley
18. Salomonsson
19. Nazar
20. Nelson
21. Lekkerimaki
22. Zhilikin
23. Hughes
24. Ohgren
25. Ludwinski
26. Snuggerrud
27. McConnel-Barker
28. Mesar
30. Mateychuk
31. Kasper
32. Lucius

 

[Maplebeasts]

1. Wright
2. Kemmell
3. Yurov
4. Savoie
5. Jiricek
6. Miroshnichenko
7. Nemec
8. Geekie
9. Slafkovsky
10. McGroarty
11. Chesley
12. Lambert
13. Kasper
14. Lekkerimaki
15. Ohgren
16. Nazar
17. Cooley
18. Casey
19. Luneau
20. Gaucher
21. Mateychuk
22. Salomonsson
23. Howard
24. Nelson
25. Ostlund
26. Perevalov
27. Mesar
28. Ludwinski
29. Snuggerud
30. Robertson
31. Goyette
32. Kulich

 

[Antiillafire]

1. Wright
2. Kemmell
3. Yurov
4. Savoie
5. Jiricek
6. Miroshnichenko
7. Geekie
8. Slafkovsky
9. McGroarty
10. Chesley
11. Lambert
12. Kasper
13. Lekkerimaki
14. Ohgren
15. Nazar
16. Cooley
17. Casey
18. Luneau
19. Gaucher
20. Mateychuk
21. Salomonsson
22. Howard
23. Nelson
24. Ostlund
25. Perevalov
26. Mesar
27. Ludwinski
28. Snuggerud
29. Robertson
30. Goyette
31. Kulich
32. Persson

Yeesh Nemec must’ve been really bad recently for him to be out of the first round.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Yeesh Nemec must’ve been really bad recently for him to be out of the first round.

Oh balls I knew I was forgetting someone. Put him at 7 and move everyone else down 1.

 

[m0pe]

1. Shane Wright (C) [OHL]
2. Matthew Savoie (C) [WHL]
3. Logan Cooley (C) [USNTDP]
4. Joakim Kemell (W) [Liiga]
5. David Jiricek (RD) [CZE]
6. Simon Nemec (RD) [SVK]
7. Noah Ostlund (C) [SHL]
8. Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) [Liiga]
9. Conor Geekie (C) [WHL]
10. Lane Hutson (LD) [USNTDP]
11. Ivan Miroshnichenko (LW) [VHL]
12. Seamus Casey (RD) [USNTDP]
13. Danila Yurov (C/W) [KHL]
14. Brad Lambert (C/RW) [Liiga]
15. Frank Nazar (C) [USNTDP]
16. Jack Hughes (C) [NCAA]
17. Filip Mesar (C/RW) [SVK]
18. Marco Kasper (C/LW) [SHL]
19. Ryan Chesley (RD) [USNTDP]
20. Tristian Luneau (RD) [QMJHL]
21. Rutger McGroarty (LW) [USNTDP]
22. Nathan Gaucher (C) [QMJHL]
23. Denton Mateychuk (LD) [WHL]
24. Danny Zhilkin (C) [OHL]
25. Calle Odelius (LD) [J20 Nationell]
26. Ty Nelson (RD) [OHL]
27. Elias Salomonsson (RD) [J20]
28. Tyler Brennan (G) [WHL]
29. Arseni Koromyslov (LD) [MHL]
30. Matthew Poitras (C) [OHL]
31. Gleb Trikozov (LW) [MHL]
32. Jonathan Lekkerimaki (W) [SHL]

HM: Julian Lutz, Simon Forsmark, Jiri Kulich, Cutter Gauthier

 

[hockey maniac]

2022 Rankings​
E-Mac​	Name​	68G Eq​	Ht​	Wt​	S​	Pos​	Nat​	21-22 League​
Round 1 (1-32)​		0​	9​
1	Wright, Shane	87	6'1	185	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
2	Yurov, Danila	136	6'1	178	L	F	RUS	RUS - KHL
3	Kemell, Joakim	77	5'11	171	R	RW	FIN	FIN U20
4	Miroshnichenko, Ivan	31	6'1	185	R	LW	RUS	RUS - VHL
5	Geekie, Conor	87	6'3	193	R	C	USA	CAN - WHL
6	Cooley, Logan	91	5'10	174	L	C	USA	USA - NTDP
7	Slavkovsky, Juraj	128	6'4	218	L	F	SVK	FIN U20
8	Jiricek, David	29	6'3	189	R	D	CZE	CZE 1
9	Savoie, Matthew	110	5'9	179	R	C	CDN	CAN - WHL
10	Nazar, Frank	76	5'10	175	R	RW	USA	USA - NDTP
11	Howard, Isaac	76	5'10	182	L	LW	USA	USA - NDTP
12	Nemec, Simon	38	6'0	190	R	D	SVK	SVK 1
13	Lekkerimaki, Jonathan	106	5'11	165	R	C	SWE	SWE J20
14	Lambert, Brad	18	6'1	175	R	C	FIN	FIN 1
15	Gaucher, Nathan	64	6'3	208	R	C	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
16	Nyman, Jani	95	6'3	212	L	LW	FIN	FIN 2
17	McGroarty, Rutger	102	6'1	203	L	C	USA	USA - NDTP
18	Luneau, Tristan	44	6'2	175	R	D	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
19	Ohgren, Liam	111	6'0	187	L	LW	SWE	SWE J20
20	Perevalov, Alexander	96	6'0	191	R	LW	RUS	RUS - MHL
21	Chesley, Ryan	16	6'0	187	R	D	USA	USA - NDTP
22	Mesar, Filip	34	5'10	167	R	F	SVK	SVK 1
23	Poitras, Matthew	60	5'11	173	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
24	Ludwinski, Paul	49	5'11	172	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
25	Mateychuk, Denton	64	5'11	188	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
26	Hughes, Jack	28	5'11	165	L	F	USA	USA - NCAA
27	Matikka, Miko	68	6'3	187	R	RW	FIN	FIN U20
28	Salomonsson, Elias	49	6'0	172	R	D	SWE	SWE J20
29	Snuggerud, Jimmy	72	6'1	186	R	F	USA	USA - NTDP
30	Korchinski, Kevin	39	6'1	185	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
31	Mintyukov, Pavel	31	6'2	192	L	D	RUS	CAN - OHL
32	Bichsel, Lian	10	6'5	216	L	D	SUI	SWE J20
Round 2 (33-64)​		2​	11​
33	Pickering, Owen	26	6'4	179	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
34	Duda, Artem	59	6'1	180	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL
35	Gazizov, Ruslan	95	5'11	185	L	F	RUS	RUS - MHL
36	Seminoff, Matthew	102	5'10	161	R	RW	USA	CAN - WHL
37	McConnell-Barker, Bryce	48	6'1	187	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
38	Nordberg, Filip	52	6'4	207	L	D	SWE	SWE J20
39	Zhilkin, Danny	64	6'1	183	R	C	USA	CAN - OHL
40	Forsmark, Simon	71	6'2	191	L	D	SWE	SWE J20
41	Bystedt, Filip	77	6'3	187	L	C	SWE	SWE J20
42	Gauthier, Cutter	64	6'2	189	L	LW	USA	USA - NTDP
43	Neuchev, Viktor	71	6'2	165	L	F	RUS	RUS - MHL
44	Goyette, David	54	5'11	172	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
45	Kaskimaki, Aleksanteri	100	6'0	181	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
46	Nelson, Ty	64	5'10	195	R	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
47	Brennan, Tyler	0.919	6'4	180	L	G	CDN	CAN - WHL
48	Kasper, Marco	26	6'1	183	L	C	AUT	SWE 1
49	Robertson, Tucker (OA1)	127	5'11	190	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
50	Lamoureux, Maveric	19	6'7	196	L	RW	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
51	Leinonen, Tobias	0.921	6'4	214	L	G	FIN	FIN U20
52	Ostlund, Noah	102	5'10	163	L	C	SWE	SWE J20
53	Persson, Ludwig	95	6'0	178	L	LW	SWE	SWE J20
54	Haight, Hunter	39	5'11	173	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
55	Trikozov, Gleb	94	6'1	185	R	F	RUS	RUS - MHL
56	Rinzel, Sam	68	6'4	177	R	D	USA	USA - USHL
57	Lindgren, Mats	41	5'11	173	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
58	Koromyslov, Arseni	24	6'3	180	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL
59	Kaplan, Devin	53	6'2	190	R	F	USA	USA - NTDP
60	Warren, Noah	24	6'5	214	R	D	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
61	Kulich, Jiri	29	6'0	172	L	F	CZE	CZE 1
62	Kmec, Jozef Viliam	41	6'2	198	R	D	SVK	CAN - WHL
63	Sapovaliv, Matyas	42	6'3	179	L	F	CZE	CAN - OHL
64	Salin, Otto	68	5'11	187	R	D	FIN	FIN U20
Round 3 (65-96)​		0​	13​
65	Dumais, Jordan	106	5'8	165	R	RW	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
66	Odelius, Calle	56	5'11	185	L	F	SWE	SWE J20
67	Donovan, Jorian	21	6'1	182	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
68	Suzdalev, Alexander	74	6'2	172	L	LW	RUS	SWE J20
69	Sova, Spencer	29	6'0	185	L	D	USA	CAN - OHL
70	Fimis, Pano	45	5'9	175	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
71	Del Bel Belluz, Luca	87	6'1	178	L	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
72	Ronni, Topi	52	6'2	179	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
73	Juhola, Patrik	79	6'2	214	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
74	Casey, Seamus	49	5'10	162	R	D	USA	NTDP
75	Lucius, Chaz	43	6'0	177	R	F	USA	USA - NDTP
76	Sulku, Salteri	79	6'3	185	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
77	Kulonummi, Kasper	54	6'0	178	R	D	FIN	FIN U20
78	Lorenz, Rieger	98	6'2	184	L	C	CDN	CDN - AJHL
79	Beck, Owen	53	5'11	190	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
80	Petrovsky, Servac	63	5'10	172	L	C	SVK	CAN - OHL
81	Komarov, Vsevolod	12	6'1	176	R	D	RUS	CAN - QMJHL
82	Yakupov, Raul	58	6'1	176	L	F	RUS	RUS - MHL
83	Gustafson, Jordan	73	5'11	178	L	F	CDN	CAN - WHL
84	Armsby, Liam	48	5'10	181	R	C	CDN	CAN - OHL
85	Verreault, Antonin	56	5'8	162	L	LW	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
86	Devine, Jack	30	5'11	173	R	F	USA	USA - NCAA
87	Pettersson, Elias	32	6'2	185	L	D	SWE	SWE J20
88	Orlov, Daniil	38	6'2	180	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL
89	Hamara, Thomas	36	6'0	185	L	D	CZE	FIN U20
90	George, Isiah	24	6'0	195	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
91	Weir, Jace	36	6'2	183	L	D	CDN	CAN - WHL
92	Rohrer, Vinzenz	60	5'11	180	R	RW	AUT	CAN - OHL
93	Furlong, Jake	17	6'1	189	L	D	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
94	Smith, Colton	63	6'3	207	L	LW	CDN	CAN - OHL
95	Ivanov, Daniil	32	6'4	200	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL
96	Langlois, Jeremy	61	6'0	186	L	D	CDN	CAN - QMJHL
Round 4 (97-128)​		4​	8​
97	Brovkin, Artur (OA3)	74	6'4	172	L	LW	RUS	RUS - VHL
98	Burnside, Davis	68	5'11	176	R	F	USA	USA - USHL
99	Wagner, Fabian	68	5'11	170	L	RW	SWE	SWE J20
100	Edward, Jackson	19	6'3	186	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
101	Holt, Braden (OA1)	0.930	6'1	161	L	G	USA	CAN - WHL
102	Lutz, Julian	#DIV/0!	6'2	185	L	F	GER	GER 1
103	Hayes, Gavin	0	6'2	177	R	RW	USA	CAN - OHL
104	Minten, Fraser	53	6'1	185	L	F	CDN	CAN - WHL
105	Ward, Mathew	81	5'8	156	L	RW	CDN	CAN - WHL
106	Milne, Mikey (OA1)	110	5'11	185	L	LW	CDN	CAN - WHL
107	Greene, Ryan	40	6'1	174	R	C	CDN	USA - USHL
108	Bell, Parker	57	6'4	192	L	LW	CDN	CAN - WHL
109	Mathurin, Tnias	16	6'3	200	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
110	Castle, Aidan	36	5'11	168	L	LW	CDN	CAN - OHL
111	Smolin, Alexander	0.967	6'1	152	L	G	RUS	RUS - MHL
112	Jansson, Ludwig	4	6'0	176	R	D	SWE	SWE 2
113	Dorrington, Jackson	26	6'2	192	L	D	USA	USA - USHL
114	Konyen, Evan	50	5'10	169	R	RW	CDN	CAN - OHL
115	Buchinger, Michael	38	6'0	178	L	D	CDN	CAN - OHL
116	Karlsson, Gustav	85	6'1	165	L	C	SWE	SWE J20
117	Ingram, Adam	82	6'2	165	L	C	CAN	USA - USHL
118	Finley, Quinn	49	6'0	168	L	C	USA	USA - USHL
119	Hokkanen, Otto	51	6'2	184	L	F	FIN	FIN 1
120	Schuurman, Brayden	44	5'9	191	R	F	CDN	CAN - WHL
121	Whitehead, Cameron (OA1)	0.944	6'3	170	L	G	USA	USA - USHL
122	Karabela, Jake	55	5'11	165	L	C	CAN	CAN - OHL
123	Lundell, Kasper	68	5'11	174	L	C	FIN	FIN U20
124	Havelid, Mattias	29	5'9	165	R	D	SWE	SWE J20
125	Laakso, Elmeri	36	6'1	185	L	D	FIN	FIN U20
126	Barbashev, Maxim	53	6'0	181	L	LW	RUS	CAN - QMJHL
127	Homer, Gibson	0.907	6'5	200	L	G	USA	USA - USHL
128	Pelevin, Alexander	23	5'11	176	L	D	RUS	RUS - MHL

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Where is Kirill Kudryavtsev? Vladimir Grudinin?

 

[Eye of Ra]

You surely can. But, I mean, you can find such comparsions in juniors aswell. Slovakia 2015 for example. How many future NHLers did they have? Cernak? I don't remember if he was there, but Sweden who lost to them had at least W.Nylander, Kempe, Forsling, Lindblom and Olofsson

Look, Slovakia had 3 best players on the ice vs Sweden in Slafkovsky, Nemec and Dvorsky(who is 2023). Doesn't mean that the rest of this group is better than the swedish one. You can say the same about Russia, they have an good 2004 group, but if you put Michkov and Miroshnichenko aside, swedish 2004 is probably better, but with Michkov and Miroshnichenko, Russia is the favorite.

Nemec is better than any swedish defenseman from 2004. Slafkovsky is better than any swedish forward from 2004. And Dvorsky is even better than Slafkovsky.
But if you merge Sweden and Slovakia in one team, it will be mostly speaking swedish.

PS Out of 11 swedish players on that list only 7 were at Hlinka, Jansson, Persson and Forsmark are 2003 and Suzdalev was ill.

The slovaks have more good players than Slaf, Nemec and Dvorsky.

Knazko, Mesar, Ciernek, Demek, Chromiak, Kmec for exemple.

Did not Slovakia miss some players in Hlinka too? They won over us, it was not luck. Will be intresting to see what you say when Slovakia win over us in December again.

Czechia will stay ahead. For 2022 and for the years to come. If Slovakia reaches 8 players it will be a great performance. When the Czech Republic gets 8 players like the last 3 years, it's a bad performance. The Slovaks are progressing, but so are the Czechs, and the Czech population is twice as numerous.

The order will not change in Europe in the next few years. It will always be 1 Sweden 2 Finland 3 Czechia 4 Slovakia.

I just dont see it with Sweden. Eklund, Lysell, Holtz, Raymond, Wallinder and Edvinsson are only blue chip prospects from Sweden. The 2004,2005,2006 born group does not look good for Sweden.

1: Russia
2: Finland
3: Slovakia
4: Czech
5: Germany
6: Belarus
7: Sweden

Thats how i see it, in Europe.

 

[VictorLustig]

The slovaks have more good players than Slaf, Nemec and Dvorsky.

Knazko, Mesar, Ciernek, Demek, Chromiak, Kmec for exemple.

Did not Slovakia miss some players in Hlinka too? They won over us, it was not luck. Will be intresting to see what you say when Slovakia win over us in December again.



I just dont see it with Sweden. Eklund, Lysell, Holtz, Raymond, Wallinder and Edvinsson are only blue chip prospects from Sweden. The 2004,2005,2006 born group does not look good for Sweden.

1: Russia
2: Finland
3: Slovakia
4: Czech
5: Germany
6: Belarus
7: Sweden

Thats how i see it, in Europe.

Yeah, the Belarusian versions of Eklund, Holtz, Raymond, Lysell and Edvinsson are so much better!