Rumor: Post-season Rumour Talk

[Miller Time]

Pavelski from age 35-37 at $8M - $9M range is exactly the type of deal I would avoid. I think you are too desperate to spend our cap space.

You are all over me with wanting to be patient and then you come up with this idea where we consume our cap space on a 35+ contract? Come on man

Yet you'd gladly pay MD more for longer in the hope that he can be even remotely as consistent, effective and impactful as Pavelski has consistently been.

That says a lot about your perception of sporting excellence and what it takes to win.

 

[Milhouse40]

We have one of the best young talents up the middle, the youngest forward group in the league, one of the better 5/5 scoring teams, and our D with Price once it was stabilized was top 11 and 4 goals away from top 5.

We have work to do to get to be a top 5 cup contender but I see us doing all our work in one off season or two. Our cap space should only be spent on top of the line-up talent. That's how I see it.

We have the best young talent up the middle?
Did we get an Eichel, Matthews or McDavid that i'm not aware of?

Our youngest forward group is 2 years older than Carolina....and they have 80+ points players in those.
Habs are at 26.4 of age for their forward group, it's more than Toronto

Our two best players are Price and Weber. They are getting old....
We have work to do? Let's do it NOW before it's too late.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Words like Obtuse and Strawman being used. If you can't engage or understand what I am saying, lets not waste our time and throw insults out there. Can't be any more clearer. I choose patience and to NOT spend our cap space cause we feel we have to. It's not a rocket science concept or strategy and I'm sure you understand.

What you don't understand is why the cap space is an expiring asset, which you refuted. It is. If we do not use it within the season, it's gone. It isn't added to our current cap space for the following season.

 

[Miller Time]

Words like Obtuse and Strawman being used. If you can't engage or understand what I am saying, lets not waste our time and throw insults out there. Can't be any more clearer. I choose patience and to NOT spend our cap space cause we feel we have to. It's not a rocket science concept or strategy and I'm sure you understand.

If you don't know what words mean, perhaps you should look them up before posting a reply.

 

[HOPE]

Let other team handicap their team with UFA’s and abundance of superstar “leafs”
Build a hard working team with bunch of talented young kids without necessarily them being elite talent. Capitalize in trade with team who f***ed their cap...

talented working team with depth throughout your roster > 1 and a half solid line with superstars.

Montreal is currently building exacly what i’m thinking and i’m pretty sure it’s gonna be effective and that for a very long time.

 

[Miller Time]

What you don't understand is why the cap space is an expiring asset, which you refuted. It is. If we do not use it within the season, it's gone. It isn't added to our current cap space for the following season.

I don't think it's a lack of understanding...

 

[Milhouse40]

Where are you getting this 28M figure from?


I never said we should applaud the GM for anything


Regardless of the identity of the GM, it shows me that this team has a lot of potential to improve.

11.7M of free cap space + Alzner, Weise, Peca, Deslauriers and Thompson = 28 millions
Of course this team has the potential to improve....they are not that good to being with, kind of normal

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yet you'd gladly pay MD more for longer in the hope that he can be even remotely as consistent, effective and impactful as Pavelski has consistently been.

That says a lot about your perception of sporting excellence and what it takes to win.

Yes, I would pay Duchene but only if he is willing to take $8M - 8.5M ish. Anything over $9M, I pass. I'm not desperate to sign him but he is a much better option vs the aging player you came up with.

Duchene for 7 years is from 28-34
vs
Pavelski for 3 years from 35-37

I choose Duchene but if he wants to cash in at $9M+, I let him do it somewhere else other than Montreal. Giving Pavelski 3 years at the age of 35+ is more risky than Duchene from 28-34.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

the St Louis Blues won a Cup with a goalie making $650,000

In MONTREAL the focus for a long time has been to have the best goalie ..like when ROY LEFT they tried to crown Theodore (the next Roy)and paid him like what 5.5 -6.5 million a yr back then ...then Price 10.5 million cap hit, last year $20 million a year Canadian was his actual salary .....Montreal's thinking has been to have a superstar goalie to save the team....other teams have been winning CUPS not using that strategy...

Well, to be fair, our keepers tend to have deserved their dough, including Theodore. He got traded as soon as it wasn't worth it anymore - and rapidly too, Pierre Lacroix was a major sucker on that one, desperate because he had Aebischer in net - but from about 2000-2004, Theodore was a first-rate starting goalie. His stats didn't always reflect that because he was behind some really bad squads, but he was very good.

 

[417]

11.7M of free cap space + Alzner, Weise, Peca, Deslauriers and Thompson = 28 millions

Ok got it

Of course this team has the potential to improve....they are not that good to being with, kind of normal

That's not quite how I meant it, but I get what you mean.

 

[Habs Halifax]

What you don't understand is why the cap space is an expiring asset, which you refuted. It is. If we do not use it within the season, it's gone. It isn't added to our current cap space for the following season.

It doesn't expire cause it's always there until you use it. You are talking about unused cap space year to year. We can't force top line talent to sign with us. They either do or don't. If they don't, you ok with signing more middle of the line-up players were you are committed to them for several years?

Sorry, I don't believe our cap space will expire. That's nonsense

We already have too much top 9 talent as it is with more grade A prospects knocking on the door.

 

[The Great Weal]

The team needs players who can score 70+ points.

Do you know how often we've had players achieve even that level of production in Montreal since our last cup win?

Duchenes last 5 years show that he is closer to a 55-60 point player instead of a 70+ point player. I have a lot more confidence in Domi scoring 70+ again instead of Duchene doing that here.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

It doesn't expire cause it's always there until you use it. You are talking about unused cap space year to year. We can't force top line talent to sign with us. They either do or don't. If they don't, you ok with signing more middle of the line-up players were you are committed to them for several years?

Sorry, I don't believe our cap space will expire. That's nonsense

You don't understand math. I'm not a mathematician - at all - but what's being explained to you is extremely basic. It isn't an opinion. I don't know how I could have put it any simpler. It isn't about you believing it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You don't understand math. I'm not a mathematician - at all - but what's being explained to you is extremely basic. It isn't an opinion. I don't know how I could have put it any simpler.

Our cap space will not expire. It goes unused and it's still there until you use it. The only way it expires is you don't use it and the cap goes down. Do you think the cap is going down?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

We have the best young talent up the middle?
Did we get an Eichel, Matthews or McDavid that i'm not aware of?

tell me, what are the 2 centers St-Louis used to win the cup ?
I don't see no Mcdavid, Matthews, Malkin, Crosby, Tavares in there.


it's not only 1 cookie cutter build, there's a bunch of them but the NHL is an old copy-cat league so people tried to do what Pitts did ( looking directly at Toronto )

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Our cap space will not expire. It goes unused and it's still there until you use it. The only way it expires is you don't use it and the cap goes down. Do you think the cap is going down?

Again, you don't understand this at all. If it goes unused, it isn't still there until you use it.

Example: If the Habs had taken on a bad contract for the past two seasons in exchange for some assets, the cap space would have been used, and we'd still be sitting here today with the same amount of cap space going into this off-season. Get it? It's an asset that we didn't use, and that we don't get to retroactively use. That advantage is gone the moment the season is over.

 

[Tuggy]

Edler's going to hit the market by the sounds of it.

He's older (33), but likely someone the Habs will look at. He's still a legit top 4 LD.

I'm going to guess he'll be looking in the 6-7 range.

My biggest concern would be term. The Habs may not offer the same term as other teams.

 

[The Great Weal]

Edler's going to hit the market by the sounds of it.

He's older (33), but likely someone the Habs will look at. He's still a legit top 4 LD.

I'm going to guess he'll be looking in the 6-7 range.

My biggest concern would be term. The Habs may not offer the same term as other teams.

Term is probably the reason why the Canucks havent resigned him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Duchenes last 5 years show that he is closer to a 55-60 point player instead of a 70+ point player. I have a lot more confidence in Domi scoring 70+ again instead of Duchene doing that here.

Duchene's pt/game stats over the last 5 years has fluctuated....

14/15: 55 pts / 82 games
15/16: 64 pts / 82 games
16/17: 44 pts / 82 games
17/18: 59 pts / 82 games
18-19: 79 pts / 82 games

With the Sens and Blue Jackets over the last two seasons, his stats are 60-80 pts.

 

[Tuggy]

Term is probably the reason why the Canucks havent resigned him.

Yeah, true.

I'd want him on a short term (3 years), but it's doubtful he takes that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Again, you don't understand this at all. If it goes unused, it isn't still there until you use it.

Example: If the Habs had taken on a bad contract for the past two seasons in exchange for some assets, the cap space would have been used, and we'd still be sitting here today with the same amount of cap space going into this off-season. Get it? It's an asset that we didn't use, and that we don't get to retroactively use. That advantage is gone the moment the season is over.

I understand it and explained to you. It goes unused and it does not expire unless the cap goes backwards.

 

[Miller Time]

Yes, I would pay Duchene but only if he is willing to take $8M - 8.5M ish. Anything over $9M, I pass. I'm not desperate to sign him but he is a much better option vs the aging player you came up with.

Duchene for 7 years is from 28-34
vs
Pavelski for 3 years from 35-37

I choose Duchene but if he wants to cash in at $9M+, I let him do it somewhere else other than Montreal. Giving Pavelski 3 years at the age of 35+ is more risky than Duchene from 28-34.

I don't think it's realistic Duchene takes less than 9M, not after the Skinner & EK deals... No agent in the world would let that happen.

Pavelski has been incredibly reliable, consistent and healthy.
He's flush with quality intangibles, is versatile, and would be providing value to our core group of young forwards for the next 3 years that MD certainly won't.

Pavelski is a better player and, imo, a FAR safer bet to deliver value & impact over the next 3 years than Duchene... While likely costing 1-2M less.

 

[Yoshidas Island]

Edler is looking for 3-4 years with a full NMC. That has Expansion Draft stipulations which is probably why Vancouver is scared off

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Myself, before i paid Duchene 10 million a yr, i would circle Wayne Simmonds (if he's willing to come to Montreal)...

With a 31 pt season last year, i can't see nobody willing to offer him 7-8-9 million a year .... Might be a bargain to be had there...no question the guys a leader too...

Simmonds is washed up.

Id give him 1 year 2m take it or leave it. Dude is a turtle now

 

[The Great Weal]

Duchene's pt/game stats over the last 5 years has fluctuated....

14/15: 55 pts / 82 games
15/16: 64 pts / 82 games
16/17: 44 pts / 82 games
17/18: 59 pts / 82 games
18-19: 79 pts / 82 games

With the Sens and Blue Jackets over the last two seasons, his stats are 60-80 pts.

60-80 points is not a valid range. 20 points is VERY significant. Scoring over 70 points only once during a contract year makes me question if hes worth $10 million. He's pretty much a 55-65 point player based on those stats and I dont see us having the team to help him score 70+ again.