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What does that have to do with anything?baston said:And there's nothing wrong about it, when is the last time Florida had a snow storm?
SensGod said:Quebec, Winnipeg, Halifax, Hamilton, etc...
All these cities are better for hockey than the likes of Nashville, Fort Lauderdale, Raleigh obviously...heck...I'd even throw in Pittsburg and New Jersey at this point.
On Monday night...when the best team in the NHL was in town for the Panthers they could barely get 10 000 people to show up for the game. It's obvious that Mr. Bettman's "sun belt" experiment has failed...move on NHL...get back into more traditional hockey markets.
Geeez...even Portland would be better than most of these cities.
futurcorerock said:
Oklahoma City Oilers
Kansas City Penguins
Houston Flames
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Sorry, but the southern US has a much better infastructure for supporting pro teams than Quebec City, or any other non-pro sports Canadian city for that matter.
Also, They have money and investors.
Best of luck to QC, but I think they are in the running with American investors, and that is a fast race when you consider who's involved. Where were they in 1995 when they could've locked the Nords into QC with a cup win?
SammyTheBull said:The mayor has been against the idea of a new sports venue in quebec city but Marcel said on RDS that he has a good relationship with her. Maybe he will presuade her
Brad said:Some of the relocation arguments genuinely make me laugh. The expectations some people had for the new franchises, in new markets, is absolutely absurd. It's almost as if they expected to take a new team, put it in a market like the South which does not have a history with hockey, and have them sell out every game from the start. That's just not how it works. It takes time. All of those franchises in the south are building their fanbase as we speak. "
Brad said:Some of the relocation arguments genuinely make me laugh. The expectations some people had for the new franchises, in new markets, is absolutely absurd. It's almost as if they expected to take a new team, put it in a market like the South which does not have a history with hockey, and have them sell out every game from the start. That's just not how it works. It takes time. All of those franchises in the south are building their fanbase as we speak. They don't have the great attendance figures that Toronto has, because they don't have anywhere near the history or relationship with the game of hockey as those big Canadian cities do. The whole point of given the Southern cities franchise was to build that support, and that will take quite a while. It does not happen over night, and it certainly doesn't happen quickly when most of the Southern franchises are poorly run and crap teams year in and year our (with some exceptions). It also amuses me that many are under the impression that attendance figures are the most important aspect of the viability of a franchise.
Another thing that annoys me is the "play to the heart strings" stuff that some fans do. OK, you lost your team due to relocation, but I'm sorry to say, that's life. Teams move. No number of threads on HF professing your love for the NHL and your disdain for the South will bring them back. The team would only return if the NHL thought it was a viable market for a pro hockey team. What many seem to conveniently ignore is that these teams all moved for a reason, and that reason was not to spite the fans. The NHL leaders did not wake up one morning and say, "I feel like moving the Nords today." In order for those teams to come back, they'd prove that they can be a viable business, as well as a viable sports team.
And the "it wasn't fair that our team was taken! that was mean!" act doesn't really go over that well when you also propose to relocate another team so you can have one back in your city. What about those fans, is it fair to them? Because there are plenty of loyal fans in those Southern markets, and taking their team away would be just as "unfair."
Wingman said:A beautiful example of an ignorant hockey fan. (and from Canada to boot)
Hockey History Lesson 200 miles south of the Canadian border
Troy McClure said:So would I. Why build a giant, expensive arena when there is no team to fill it?
I say take one from Canada. The Quebec Senators has a nice ring to it.
NyQuil said:Pittsburgh's problems are easily solved.
1. Their head coach is on thin ice.
2. They have another head coach who is a living legend.
Solution:
Simply make Bill Cowher the coach of the Penguins AND the Steelers. It's not as if he'd be any worse than Ed Olczyk. And you might get confused Steelers fans showing up for tailgate parties at the Igloo.
Chili said:If you want to compare attendance figures they are here.
The most interesting number I found is the worst draw on the road is ... the defending Stanley Cup champs... go figure.
Chili said:If you want to compare attendance figures they are here.
The most interesting number I found is the worst draw on the road is ... the defending Stanley Cup champs... go figure.
We've seen ice before, This is not LAjester099 said:What you say is true, it takes time to develop markets and everything, but why try to build a market somewhere they've never seen ice other than in their drinks when you have thousands of people north of the border praying every day that they get a hockey team...
It just seams wrong to me. Some market already exist that aren't served right now, why try to build some new ones ?
The economics of the game as changed with the new CBA, and cities that couldn't support hockey teams financialy now can.
I think it's time to bring back hockey in those cities where everybody already cares about the sport.
Saying Dallas is a great hockey market because they fill the arena often is just wrong IMHO.
I'm not sure everybody in Dallas even knows there is a hockey team. The city is just big enough so that a small fraction of the population that actualy know hockey exists can fill the arena...
Gnashville said:We've seen ice before, This is not LA
Nashville forecast BTW it much colder than that here.
Yes the economics have changed cities like Nashville and Raleigh can support franchises averaging 12K a night and be competive. Why even mention Dallas they are doing just fine. Like I have said in several of the threads bashing the South No one talks about Attendance problems in Basketball, Baseball, and Football. But Hockey it has to be a full house every night 42 times a season or the team/market is a failure . I guess the Toronto Blue Jays and Raptors are failures, or for that matter the Canucks in the 80's .
1995-96 NHL Edmonton Oilers Edmonton AB Edmonton Coliseum 16,437 12,335 23 75% . .Gnashville said:or for that matter the Canucks in the 80's .
$jester099 said:The ice comment was meant as humor, and it was aimed at the cities of the south, like in Florida, Texas or LA...
Big attendance and big hockey market are not the same in my mind...
I heard that if you talk to people in the streets of Dallas, a few people really know what's happening with their hockey team... Not a very good sign of a great hockey market. If you talk to people outside the city of Dallas, nobody knows anything at all...
That's how popular hockey is in that area.
When I hear talk of moving a team in Houston, I just can't figure out why...
19nazzy said:Kanata is definately growing.
My dad used to live 10 minutes away from the CC. Always cool to drive by there
They could probably make a deal since the name is dormant. As an Avs fan I would hope they would.Verbeek said:Too bad the Nordiques will never really be back. No way they get the rights off the Avalanche.. who I assume still own the name and logo.
I forsee this thread being locked by 12-11-05.btn said:I forsee this thread moving to the Business of Hockey forum very shortly.
Dallas has more people with more money and more businesses with more money. That's all that matters. Quebec City has a metro population of around 671,000. Dallas/Ft. Worth has a combined 5.2 million. Dallas is a better NHL market than Quebec City. Sorry.jester099 said:I heard that if you talk to people in the streets of Dallas, a few people really know what's happening with their hockey team... Not a very good sign of a great hockey market.
So what. Who cares about them.jester099 said:If you talk to people outside the city of Dallas, nobody knows anything at all...
Before 1993, you could only go ice skating at about 3 places. Finding a league to play hockey was tough. Now, every suburban high school has a hockey team. All the local colleges have club hockey. There are 6 Stars owned ice complexes around the Metroplex with 5 or six other ice rinks owned by other people. Between the ice league and inline leagues, you have a whole lot of people of all ages playing hockey that wouldn't have had the Stars not moved there.jester099 said:That's how popular hockey is in that area.