Friedman: Possible Mathew Barzal Offer Sheet

[seabass45]

Keep dreaming he isn't going anywhere. When your senile GM puts your team in salary cap hell and if a team offers him 8 years and 88 million or something similar, there is a very good chance he's going somewhere else. If the Islanders were to match that, they would probably lose both Pullock and Toews. Nobody is going to take the crappy contracts Lou gave out to multiple players.

You keep doing this but other teams still can't offer Barzal eight years.

 

[Oddbob]

There were 3 that we know of last off-season, potentially more.

Yeah, which ones led to anything? None?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Stop trying to make Ofer sheets happen. They aren’t going to happen.jpeg

 

[Beacon Isles]

You keep doing this but other teams still can't offer Barzal eight years.

You cant fix stupid...

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Yeah, which ones led to anything? None?

Aho agreed to his which Carolina matched, IIRC

 

[Oddbob]

Aho agreed to his which Carolina matched, IIRC

Yeah, they offered him a deal with little meat on it. Everyone knew Carolina would match that offer. If the offer sheet doesn't go through there is nothing to talk about as far as they are concerned. We haven't seen that in many years now, yet every year we hear about how this year is the exception. Until that happens they aren't happening.

 

[Docgonzo]

Always dumb on the offer sheets are coming. First the player actually has to sign the offer sheet, which they hardly ever do. And then the team has to decide not match, which they also hardly ever do.

Report about it like crazy if it does happen, but don’t speculate because we probably won’t know what Barzal was offered since he’ll just sign with the Islanders.

 

[Volica]

If teams are serious about the offer sheet, cannot piddle around like Montreal did with Aho.
You want this guy? You're giving him 9+ and making the Isle's think about it.

Absolutely no point in trying to sneak it under the 8.7 compensation mark.

 

[DarkHorse2]

Who could possibly offer Barzal an offer sheet because they have enough cap space?

• Senators
• Sabres
• Red Wings
• Devils
• Avalanche
• Florida
• Rangers
• Kings
• Flames
• Jets
• Stars
• Bruins
• Canucks
  
• Sharks
• Wild
• Oilers

How many of those teams are contenders/near-contenders where Barzal has a shot of winning?

• Avalanche - $22m in space, Just, Nichuskin and Burakovsky up, Makar and Landeskog up next year, maybe set at C?
  
• Florida - $21m in space, need 11 players for roster, Weegar due, possible internal cap, seemingly set at C
  
• Rangers - $20m in space (possibly more), Strome, Lemieux, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Fast all due, Buchnevich, Chytil, Howden up next year
  
• Stars - $15m in space, Faksa, Hintz, Janmark & Gurianov all due, need a goalie, set at center
  
• Bruins - $14m in space, DeBrusk, Krug and Chara up,
  
• Canucks - $14m in sopace, lots left to sign, Petterson RFA next year
  
• Oilers - $11m in space, need 8 players, including a goalie, Yamamoto, RNH and Larsson up next year

Of these, the Avs, Rangers and Floriuda seem like the most likely offer sheet offerers:

• Avs: one year deal to go all in?
• Florida: lots of room, low taxes, could someone shift to wing?
• Rangers: bright lights, young team big time winger

Do the Rangers take the chance of blowing up their salary structure for a few years of incredibly high-powered offense?

 

[NYRKing]

So if there’s any offer sheet, it’s usually because a team can’t match it. What’s the reason for the isles? If it’s the cap for the isles they’ll do whatever needed to trade or buyout to fit Barzal.

 

[Sonofamitch]

Rangers or New Jersey should do it just to mess with a division rival. Obviously opens you up for a future offer sheet from the Islanders but would be pretty hilarious. If they offer him 11 by 8 islanders would easily match, but would probably be a couple million over what they actually wanted to pay for him.

 

[Kranix]

Top trending on my twitter this morning. I think he wants to be a hab.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

Keep dreaming he isn't going anywhere. When your senile GM puts your team in salary cap hell and if a team offers him 8 years and 88 million or something similar, there is a very good chance he's going somewhere else. If the Islanders were to match that, they would probably lose both Pullock and Toews. Nobody is going to take the crappy contracts Lou gave out to multiple players.

Keep dreaming he is leaving. Aren't you needed in the Strome or ADA threads? To inflate their value, or something?

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Who could possibly offer Barzal an offer sheet because they have enough cap space?

• Senators
• Sabres
• Red Wings
• Devils
• Avalanche
• Florida
• Rangers
• Kings
• Flames
• Jets
• Stars
• Bruins
• Canucks
  
• Sharks
• Wild
• Oilers

How many of those teams are contenders/near-contenders where Barzal has a shot of winning?

• Avalanche - $22m in space, Just, Nichuskin and Burakovsky up, Makar and Landeskog up next year, maybe set at C?
  
• Florida - $21m in space, need 11 players for roster, Weegar due, possible internal cap, seemingly set at C
  
• Rangers - $20m in space (possibly more), Strome, Lemieux, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Fast all due, Buchnevich, Chytil, Howden up next year
  
• Stars - $15m in space, Faksa, Hintz, Janmark & Gurianov all due, need a goalie, set at center
  
• Bruins - $14m in space, DeBrusk, Krug and Chara up,
  
• Canucks - $14m in sopace, lots left to sign, Petterson RFA next year
  
• Oilers - $11m in space, need 8 players, including a goalie, Yamamoto, RNH and Larsson up next year

Of these, the Avs, Rangers and Floriuda seem like the most likely offer sheet offerers:

• Avs: one year deal to go all in?
• Florida: lots of room, low taxes, could someone shift to wing?
• Rangers: bright lights, young team big time winger

Do the Rangers take the chance of blowing up their salary structure for a few years of incredibly high-powered offense?

The Wild would be contenders with Barzal and a decent goalie

 

[lazycop]

If I were another team i'd offer Barzal an 18 year deal at 180 million. That'll show those pesky Isles and their senile GM!.

Funny, I always thought the max was 7 years(or 8 for the Isles), but based on this thread, I must be wrong.

 

[blinkman360]

It’s a bit easier to deal with this Barzal situation knowing we only lose him if we decide to lose him. Worst case I’m guessing Lou will make some drastic changes if needed to fit an OS in.

 

[dlawong]

Who could possibly offer Barzal an offer sheet because they have enough cap space?

• Senators
• Sabres
• Red Wings
• Devils
• Avalanche
• Florida
• Rangers
• Kings
• Flames
• Jets
• Stars
• Bruins
• Canucks
  
• Sharks
• Wild
• Oilers

How many of those teams are contenders/near-contenders where Barzal has a shot of winning?

• Avalanche - $22m in space, Just, Nichuskin and Burakovsky up, Makar and Landeskog up next year, maybe set at C?
  
• Florida - $21m in space, need 11 players for roster, Weegar due, possible internal cap, seemingly set at C
  
• Rangers - $20m in space (possibly more), Strome, Lemieux, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Fast all due, Buchnevich, Chytil, Howden up next year
  
• Stars - $15m in space, Faksa, Hintz, Janmark & Gurianov all due, need a goalie, set at center
  
• Bruins - $14m in space, DeBrusk, Krug and Chara up,
  
• Canucks - $14m in sopace, lots left to sign, Petterson RFA next year
  
• Oilers - $11m in space, need 8 players, including a goalie, Yamamoto, RNH and Larsson up next year

Of these, the Avs, Rangers and Floriuda seem like the most likely offer sheet offerers:

• Avs: one year deal to go all in?
• Florida: lots of room, low taxes, could someone shift to wing?
• Rangers: bright lights, young team big time winger

Do the Rangers take the chance of blowing up their salary structure for a few years of incredibly high-powered offense?

No chance Canucks do this. Already have two of the best centers in NHL and need keep big money to sign Hughes down the road. They will need to find another top D to play with Hughes and may go the trade route to get one.

Barzal will not sign OS with a divisional rival team. He got lots of close friends on the team and in the organization. Has no tie with anyone on the Rags team. If he does not sign, Isles do not need to match. The offer sheet will not work if it is only for one year so Avs is out. Florida is a budget team and already has a star center will not go wild to spend big money for a 2nd line center. The only contending team that will spend big money on a 2nd line center is a team that has trouble scoring and Florida does not have that problem. They need to spend money to improve their D core.

To mess up another team with no need to do an offer sheet will leave a bad reputation for a GM and may deter future dealings with that GM and other GMs who do not appreciate this kind of tactic. It is not like those GMs have tons of time to go around offering OS that does not work for their own team instead of using valuable time on evaluating draft picks and their own prospects, chasing big UFA, signing your own RFA, and perhaps make other deals to improve the areas they need to improve the most.

Also, a lot of these GMs have been around the league for a long time, if they have not yet submitted an OS in the past, they probably will not do it unless they really need that player for their team and there is a close relationship between the two, therefore, a good chance of getting it done.

Oh about the Rags, they got more to worry about in the Metro than Islanders. A better move for them may be saving money to go big after one of the top D (from Columbus) in Metro when one of them turns UFA in a few years or either Point or Matthews should they become UFA because UFA is much easier to land without giving up lots of future assets that can be very valuable in trades. They are a young team and already have three very good young forwards plus one star forward that takes up a lot of cap space. Why would they spend big money on the 5th forward now? It does not make sense.

Rag fans attend a lot of Isles home games. Competition is good for games and more entertaining for the fans. If you already know the results, then there is no fun in going to the games, right? Especially if the other team is totally a bore to watch or no contest. For the Rag fans, it may be more fun for them to see long-time battles between Laf and Barzy and if Laf is better, they can boast about that.

 

[iam76]

Who could possibly offer Barzal an offer sheet because they have enough cap space?

• Senators
• Sabres
• Red Wings
• Devils
• Avalanche
• Florida
• Rangers
• Kings
• Flames
• Jets
• Stars
• Bruins
• Canucks
  
• Sharks
• Wild
• Oilers

How many of those teams are contenders/near-contenders where Barzal has a shot of winning?

• Avalanche - $22m in space, Just, Nichuskin and Burakovsky up, Makar and Landeskog up next year, maybe set at C?
  
• Florida - $21m in space, need 11 players for roster, Weegar due, possible internal cap, seemingly set at C
  
• Rangers - $20m in space (possibly more), Strome, Lemieux, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Fast all due, Buchnevich, Chytil, Howden up next year
  
• Stars - $15m in space, Faksa, Hintz, Janmark & Gurianov all due, need a goalie, set at center
  
• Bruins - $14m in space, DeBrusk, Krug and Chara up,
  
• Canucks - $14m in sopace, lots left to sign, Petterson RFA next year
  
• Oilers - $11m in space, need 8 players, including a goalie, Yamamoto, RNH and Larsson up next year

Of these, the Avs, Rangers and Floriuda seem like the most likely offer sheet offerers:

• Avs: one year deal to go all in?
• Florida: lots of room, low taxes, could someone shift to wing?
• Rangers: bright lights, young team big time winger

Do the Rangers take the chance of blowing up their salary structure for a few years of incredibly high-powered offense?

Who are you assuming is playing center on the second line for Florida?

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

The Wild would be contenders with Barzal and a decent goalie

No, they wouldn't

 

[dlawong]

For those think Barzal should get one of the largest offer sheets in recent history as an RFA, even as an Isles fan, I do not see that he has the tools to become a true superstar to warrant that. Until you can prove that you can score at least 30+ goals consistently or pass like Henry Sedins no GM can be assured that you will be one. To offer him a huge offer sheet and lose valuable draft picks will be a huge gamble. He is extremely excited to watch but he may never turn into a superstar because his goal-scoring is not elite yet and his passes do not always connect. If he is as good defensively as Horvat than maybe you can overlook his scoring but he is not.

He will be a very good top 2 line center but he will not be a superstar until he can improve his scoring by miles and start to pass like Henry Sedin. Skating beautifully and good puck possession does not alone do enough.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

No, they wouldn't

Yes, they would. The Wild with Barzal and Varlamov are a better team than the Islander with Barzal and Varlamov and the Islanders just went to the conference finals with that. Give the Wild a league average goaltender and they win at least 4 more games than they did this year. Give the Wild a true 1C and a number one goalie and...

 

[McOilers97]

This is a non-story. Islanders can match anything that gets offered, and I don't see that many teams with the ability to make a competitive offer that isn't also a gross overpay. Like, if a team offers Barzal $10.5m, they're idiots. Aho got $8.45m last summer, so why would Barzal get $10.5m given that he and Aho are similar calibre players and most teams have limited cap space + many have internal budgets given the current economic reality?

Barzal probably signs for $8-9m per season for 5-8 years (depending if he wants to hit UFA as early as possible).

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Rangers or New Jersey should do it just to mess with a division rival. Obviously opens you up for a future offer sheet from the Islanders but would be pretty hilarious. If they offer him 11 by 8 islanders would easily match, but would probably be a couple million over what they actually wanted to pay for him.

Or they would take the 4 first round picks.

If it is NJ and they are still bottom feeding for a while you can do a lot of damage with 4 firsts.

 

[Schemp]

Who could possibly offer Barzal an offer sheet because they have enough cap space?

• Senators
• Sabres
• Red Wings
• Devils
• Avalanche
• Florida
• Rangers
• Kings
• Flames
• Jets
• Stars
• Bruins
• Canucks
  
• Sharks
• Wild
• Oilers

How many of those teams are contenders/near-contenders where Barzal has a shot of winning?

• Avalanche - $22m in space, Just, Nichuskin and Burakovsky up, Makar and Landeskog up next year, maybe set at C?
  
• Florida - $21m in space, need 11 players for roster, Weegar due, possible internal cap, seemingly set at C
  
• Rangers - $20m in space (possibly more), Strome, Lemieux, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Fast all due, Buchnevich, Chytil, Howden up next year
  
• Stars - $15m in space, Faksa, Hintz, Janmark & Gurianov all due, need a goalie, set at center
  
• Bruins - $14m in space, DeBrusk, Krug and Chara up,
  
• Canucks - $14m in sopace, lots left to sign, Petterson RFA next year
  
• Oilers - $11m in space, need 8 players, including a goalie, Yamamoto, RNH and Larsson up next year

Of these, the Avs, Rangers and Floriuda seem like the most likely offer sheet offerers:

• Avs: one year deal to go all in?
• Florida: lots of room, low taxes, could someone shift to wing?
• Rangers: bright lights, young team big time winger

Do the Rangers take the chance of blowing up their salary structure for a few years of incredibly high-powered offense?

Teams can go 10% over cap during the off-season.

 

[Chips]

Don’t understand why so many people get offended by even a mention of a possible offersheet.