Pointing the finger at Bergevin?

[jaffy27]

The bare minimum for Bergevin this off season is to fire the power play coach (Dan Lacroix), fire the Hamilton coach (Sylvain Lefebvre), and to either sign Petry or get someone else.

Aside from that, there are a lot of contracts this summer, and Bergevin will have to get good deals.

Unfortunately, each of Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Pateryn, Tinordi can expect a two year deal, suggesting a few significant raises a few years down the line.

In 2 years, Markov, DD, Parenteau, Plekanec, Weise, Prust and Gilbert contracts are or have already hit UFA status..that's a lot of cap relief. I can only picture Weise and Prust sticking around, maybe Plekanec, but I see him more as trade bait

 

[Talent Analyst]

Trade Emelin(for salary cap), PAP (or buyout) and DD.

Trade for Sharp, sign MSL and Petry.

Pacioretty-Plekanek-MSL
Sharp-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Andrighetto-Eller-DSP
Prust-Mitchel-Weise
Thomas or Bournival or Dumont

Markov-Subban
Beaulieu-Petry
Tinordi-Gilbert
Pateryn

Let Scherbak play in Hamilton for a year or half a year if he's dominate the AHL.

I don't know for what Sharp can be traded, and MSL could be signed for 4.5-5M for one year. If it not fit on the cap, Bergevin can find a way. We REALLY need some offence.

 

[mustardnight*]

Trade Emelin(for salary cap), PAP (or buyout) and DD.

Trade for Sharp, sign MSL and Petry.

Pacioretty-Plekanek-MSL
Sharp-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Andrighetto-Eller-DSP
Prust-Mitchel-Weise
Thomas or Bournival or Dumont

Markov-Subban
Beaulieu-Petry
Tinordi-Gilbert
Pateryn

Let Scherbak play in Hamilton for a year or half a year if he's dominate the AHL.

I don't know for what Sharp can be traded, and MSL could be signed for 4.5-5M for one year. If it not fit on the cap, Bergevin can find a way. We REALLY need some offence.

That lineup sucks. It's old too.

Don't trade Emelin for nothing, and what do you give up for Sharp? Tinordi is a plug at the moment, why would he be able to play with Gilbert?

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

The bare minimum for Bergevin this off season is to fire the power play coach (Dan Lacroix), fire the Hamilton coach (Sylvain Lefebvre), and to either sign Petry or get someone else.

Aside from that, there are a lot of contracts this summer, and Bergevin will have to get good deals.

Unfortunately, each of Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Pateryn, Tinordi can expect a two year deal, suggesting a few significant raises a few years down the line.

Why would he fire someone who he's publically backed several times (Lefebvre) or that he's extended for FOUR YEARS (after hiring him last year) a mere few months ago (Lacroix)?

I really don't see Bergevin doing anything of the sort.

 

[jaffy27]

Trade Emelin(for salary cap), PAP (or buyout) and DD.

Trade for Sharp, sign MSL and Petry.

Pacioretty-Plekanek-MSL
Sharp-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Andrighetto-Eller-DSP
Prust-Mitchel-Weise
Thomas or Bournival or Dumont

Markov-Subban
Beaulieu-Petry
Tinordi-Gilbert
Pateryn

Let Scherbak play in Hamilton for a year or half a year if he's dominate the AHL.

I don't know for what Sharp can be traded, and MSL could be signed for 4.5-5M for one year. If it not fit on the cap, Bergevin can find a way. We REALLY need some offence.

Who's MSL?
St-Louis, never mind

 

[Takeru]

The thing that bothers me the most is the solutions used to the problem at hand, ie lack of offense.

I mean, I really like DLR, but the kid will probably never break 10-15goals during a season. But he played a defensively responsible game so we've kept him here.

Meanwhile, a guy like Andrighetto with far greater offensive potential who had 3 pts in his first three games was burried on the 4th line then send back in the minors.

Now I'm not saying Andrighetto would've been some savior or anything, but I think our need for offense might be less critical had we kept him for 40-50 games and in the playoffs. Defensive play can be thaught to an extent, while teaching a guy who never scored more than 10 goals how to become a 30goals scorer is impossible.

TL;DR - Management's solution to lack of offense: keep a defensive player over a more talented one.

 

[jwrocks1]

Well, you never make big decisions based on emotion, therefore there will be no firings, you should know this Whitesnake
Second, they don't have press conferences the day after an elimination game, if you've been watching hockey for more than 2yrs, you'd know this, you should know this Whitesnake.
Kids are progressing??...sure, what's wrong with that, whatcha want to hear, kids are regressing?
We all know what the problem is, it's scoring, top end talent in the top 6, Bergevin knows this and I'm convinced it will be rectified, I sense a big trade in the off season. If we're still in the same predicament in a year from now, as in lack of scoring, if he does nothing to improve the teams offence, and I mean legit top 6, I'll get on the Bergevin bashwagon

I have a strong feeling that Sharp will be a Hab this summer

 

[yianik]

There were 15 guys in the NHL who scored 30+ goals last year, that's it. The chanced of getting one are pretty slim, and the chances getting on without killing our depth are remote.So 25 goal goal guy ? Also, if you count PAP as a top 6 , he had 8 goals., by getting a 25 goal guy you boost production by 17 gaoals if he replaces PAP. Fine , 17 goals is 17 goals, but that does not give us an offensive team to keep up with other scoring inclined teams. Besides, that 25 goal scorer will not score that under MT's system. It's Da System.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

I have full confidence in MB. I think he is one of the best GMs in the league and we are lucky to have him.

It was never his plan to be able to win this year. There was nothing at the deadline worth giving up assets for. Next year, however I expect big things. I expect big things this off season. Well, big things as in signing the guy that need to be signed and adding that one missing piece on offense. The rest can come from Hamilton.

What kind of moron has the MVP in the league on his team and it isn't his "plan to be able to win this year"?

What does that even mean?

 

[Deebs]

What kind of moron has the MVP in the league on his team and it isn't his "plan to be able to win this year"?

What does that even mean?

What it means and what Berge has stated numerous times this year and last, is he's building a team with long term success. He's said he doesn't want to give up young, promising assets for short term rentals. He wants to have a successful team for years to come, not just a team who makes a run for a year or two and then have to go in full rebuild mode.

I for one agree with him. He's building a team in the mould of the Blackhawks. It's going to take a couple of years, but it will be well worth the wait.

 

[Puck Luck Run Amok]

Why would he fire someone who he's publically backed several times (Lefebvre) or that he's extended for FOUR YEARS (after hiring him last year) a mere few months ago (Lacroix)?

I really don't see Bergevin doing anything of the sort.

The one good thing about MB is that he'll own up to his mistakes. Hopefully he realizes that with the new crop of high-end prospects coming along, the ineptitude of the PP and the immaturity/reversion to 2007 of MT that the man behind the bench needs a face-lift. Watch Toronto sign him afterwards, we get rid of his hideous extension and get Babs!

 

[jwrocks1]

What kind of moron has the MVP in the league on his team and it isn't his "plan to be able to win this year"?

What does that even mean?

on forget Norris candidate (and likeliest winner based on previous years to give the edge to the guy on the better teams) also a Fwd in the top 5 in goals with a Selke deserving season.

Our window is open now. It's time to make the push

 

[HabsDieHard*]

What it means and what Berge has stated numerous times this year is he's building a team with long term success. He's said he doesn't want to give up young, promising assets for short term rentals. He wants to have a successful team for years to come, not just a team who makes a run for a year or two and then have to go in full rebuild mode.

I for one agree with him. He's building a team in the mould of the Blackhawks. It's going to take a couple of years, but it will be well worth the wait.

And yet back to back years he traded away 2nd round picks for pending UFA's.

Funny how that is "acceptable" even though it contradicts what is approach apparently is.

This team has a franchise calibre goalie who is 27, an elite winger who is 26 and an elite d-man who is 25.

Anyone who thinks the future offers this team something definitively greater than what they currently have, quite simply, has not been following the NHL in recent years.

The reaosn why this team doens't look like a contender today is because Bergevin has failed miserably at acquiring any offensive winger depth in the almost 3 years he's been on the job.

Also, for a team that is supposedly building for the future, he has done an abysmal job of trading out pending UFA's for future returns. Several opportunities presented themselves and he took advantage of almost none of them.

 

[jwrocks1]

The one good thing about MB is that he'll own up to his mistakes. Hopefully he realizes that with the new crop of high-end prospects coming along, the ineptitude of the PP and the immaturity/reversion to 2007 of MT that the man behind the bench needs a face-lift. Watch Toronto sign him afterwards, we get rid of his hideous extension and get Babs!

It's more likely he'll hire a PP specialist coach.

I also see him making a move to poach Sharp, likely for a lesser contract and prospect that is reduundant in our system (as part of the offer)

And likely pushing to open a spot up for a young guy to move in (Hudon, Scherbak?, McCarron?)

 

[Puck Luck Run Amok]

What it means and what Berge has stated numerous times this year is he's building a team with long term success. He's said he doesn't want to give up young, promising assets for short term rentals. He wants to have a successful team for years to come, not just a team who makes a run for a year or two and then have to go in full rebuild mode.

I for one agree with him. He's building a team in the mould of the Blackhawks. It's going to take a couple of years, but it will be well worth the wait.

Remember guys, Quenneville was brought in only when the team was steps away from becoming a perennial champ...

I think MB's smart enough to realize that MT has reverted to his Penguins self; a loud, obnoxious drill sergeant who bullies his players and loses his composure as easily as he wolfs down Bab's favorite MTL sandwich.

 

[McClane]

What kind of moron has the MVP in the league on his team and it isn't his "plan to be able to win this year"?

What does that even mean?

Yes. This type of leadership bothers me. You lost the conference finals last year and you still tell your team any result is OK because you were not planning to win anyways? Why even bother?

 

[HabsDieHard*]

on forget Norris candidate (and likeliest winner based on previous years to give the edge to the guy on the better teams) also a Fwd in the top 5 in goals with a Selke deserving season.

Our window is open now. It's time to make the push

Completely agree.

Bergevin has been acting like a scared, inexperienced GM for the last couple of years.

And while it remains to be seen waht happens with Petry, if he leaves, that's back to back years dealing away picks for rentals.

And no matter what happens with Petry, this teams' offensive forward depth is somehow, against all odds, worse than it was when he came on board.

His hand picked coach who he extended for 4 years has mismanged Galchenyuks' development to the point where he looks like an 18 year old rookie playing his first games right now, his Briere signing was awful and somehow the Parenteau trade is even worse, and the most offensive forward he has brought in is Dale Weise, a guy who could/should be a quality bottom 6 guy but is contantly given minutes that he can't handle because the moron coach prefers a grinding team that doens't score.

 

[jwrocks1]

And yet back to back years he traded away 2nd round picks for pending UFA's.

Funny how that is "acceptable" even though it contradicts what is approach apparently is.

This team has a franchise calibre goalie who is 27, an elite winger who is 26 and an elite d-man who is 25.

Anyone who thinks the future offers this team something definitively greater than what they currently have, quite simply, has not been following the NHL in recent years.

The reaosn why this team doens't look like a contender today is because Bergevin has failed miserably at acquiring any offensive winger depth in the almost 3 years he's been on the job.

Also, for a team that is supposedly building for the future, he has done an abysmal job of trading out pending UFA's for future returns. Several opportunities presented themselves and he took advantage of almost none of them.

He landed Vanek for one of those 2nd's you mentioned....then tried to resign him but he had his mind set for Minny, so to get him you'd have to overpay...so at 8+M.....would you?

 

[HabsDieHard*]

Sharp is an expensive, regressing player who has played with superstars almost his entire time in Chicago.

That's exatly the type of ass backwards trade I expect to see the overwhelmed Bergevin to make too. Sad to say.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

He landed Vanek for one of those 2nd's you mentioned....then tried to resign him but he had his mind set for Minny, so to get him you'd have to overpay...so at 8+M.....would you?

I don't really care to be honest.

If this team isn't "ready" to win this year, why were they "ready" last year?

They should have dealt the pending UFA Markov for the absurd return he'd have gotten.

Because again, if this team isn't even trying to win now, what's the point of the veteran Markov wasting his last great years with them?

Half measures is what have defined Bergevins' reign to date.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

Yes. This type of leadership bothers me. You lost the conference finals last year and you still tell your team any result is OK because you were not planning to win anyways? Why even bother?

Yep, and look at the IN vs OUT for forwards compared to the team in the ECF last year and the team now.

what kind of a GM gets to the 6th game in the ECF and makes his forward group which needed upgrading worse?

It boggles the mind that people stlil continue to talk about Bergevin like he's done or is doing a good job.

 

[jwrocks1]

Completely agree.

Bergevin has been acting like a scared, inexperienced GM for the last couple of years.

And while it remains to be seen waht happens with Petry, if he leaves, that's back to back years dealing away picks for rentals.

And no matter what happens with Petry, this teams' offensive forward depth is somehow, against all odds, worse than it was when he came on board.

His hand picked coach who he extended for 4 years has mismanged Galchenyuks' development to the point where he looks like an 18 year old rookie playing his first games right now, his Briere signing was awful and somehow the Parenteau trade is even worse, and the most offensive forward he has brought in is Dale Weise, a guy who could/should be a quality bottom 6 guy but is contantly given minutes that he can't handle because the moron coach prefers a grinding team that doens't score.

I'd rather Parenteau over Briere, and Parenteau can still be traded (not much of a return....and likely need to take back a contract). As for a top 6 fwd. It isn't easy to land one via trade.....everyone wants them.

 

[jwrocks1]

I don't really care to be honest.

If this team isn't "ready" to win this year, why were they "ready" last year?

They should have dealt the pending UFA Markov for the absurd return he'd have gotten.

Because again, if this team isn't even trying to win now, what's the point of the veteran Markov wasting his last great years with them?

Half measures is what have defined Bergevins' reign to date.

I never said they weren't ready in either year. He is willing to bring in top 6 guys, but moving a 1st is a tough thing to do for a GM. STL and PIT did it...how's that looking for them?

He's made small adjustments. He's done a job worthy of a B to B+. But now is the time to step up his game and make upgrades up front.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

I'd rather Parenteau over Briere, and Parenteau can still be traded (not much of a return....and likely need to take back a contract). As for a top 6 fwd. It isn't easy to land one via trade.....everyone wants them.

Just more excuse making to be honest.

He's had well over 24 months to improve the forward depth, yet somehow it's worse today than when he started.

I'd rather Briere, at least he was an expiring deal. Parenteau isn't a fit in the line up, and Bergevin should have known he wouldn't be with Therrien coaching the team.

No one is trading anything of value for the regressing injury prone Parenteau.

Bergevin couldn't even deal Bourque last Summer after he had 8 playoff goals, but somehow he's such a wizard he'll make a good Parenteau trade now"?

Lol, ok.

 

[Puck Luck Run Amok]

It's more likely he'll hire a PP specialist coach.

I also see him making a move to poach Sharp, likely for a lesser contract and prospect that is reduundant in our system (as part of the offer)

And likely pushing to open a spot up for a young guy to move in (Hudon, Scherbak?, McCarron?)

You see, a week ago I would've totally agreed with you. However, having listened to MT recently it's clear the man is losing the team and is becoming desperate. Even last year when Kreider ran Price did MT come out guns blaring? Nope. This year he's lost his composure a few times and it must be extremely embarrassing and counterproductive to have your Coach blame games on refs, have your team get blown out twice on home ice this year and once last year in the ECF. Look at how Dave Cameron reacted to a complete BS call, he didn't. MTs composure has clearly infected the team and that shows in the form of indiscipline.

I could see us getting Sharp for a DD+minor prospect but Sharp's not a solution as he's on the decline. What's more likely is a combination of Hudon and one of those other guys will be coming in and/or MB finally pulls off a major trade and gets someone of substance, in his prime. Either way, Chucky needs to play C next year or get traded or get our coach fired or possibly both. Our situation down the middle is pathetic and the reliance of DD as a number 1, 2 or even 3 C is a disgrace to the organization. I hate to say it but it's true; Scott Gomez has produced at the same level as DD this year and Gomez wasn't playing alongside a 39 goal scorer....