Please sell this team, Melnyk / Budget talk II

[Engineer]

"Shouldn't have to"

Please

If that's what the team needs in order to spend more then so be it

This is the real world

Exactly, this is the real world, Melnyk doesn't get a casino just because he had a divorce and is now broke. A business man such as him should be able to create a business plan out of the team that is more viable than relying on a separate business that is a huge huge huge gamble to get in this province.

He didn't get the casino, time for him to stop crying about it. This is the real world.

 

[Micklebot]

Exactly, this is the real world, Melnyk doesn't get a casino just because he had a divorce and is now broke. A business man such as him should be able to create a business plan out of the team that is more viable than relying on a separate business that is a huge huge huge gamble to get in this province.

He didn't get the casino, time for him to stop crying about it. This is the real world.

I think it's a fair assumption that most sporting franchizes rely on serparte symbiotic ventures to maximize profitability. Many other franchizes use Casinos, Ottawa's Original BP involved real estate. The bitterness about this one falling through probably has more to do with how it went down than anything else though.

 

[Engineer]

I think it's a fair assumption that most sporting franchizes rely on serparte symbiotic ventures to maximize profitability. Many other franchizes use Casinos, Ottawa's Original BP involved real estate. The bitterness about this one falling through probably has more to do with how it went down than anything else though.

The second half of that sentence was of importance.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Exactly, this is the real world, Melnyk doesn't get a casino just because he had a divorce and is now broke. A business man such as him should be able to create a business plan out of the team that is more viable than relying on a separate business that is a huge huge huge gamble to get in this province.

He didn't get the casino, time for him to stop crying about it. This is the real world.

There you go with the "he should be able" again

He can't

It doesn't matter that things shouldn't have gotten to this, they have

 

[Engineer]

There you go with the "he should be able" again

He can't

It doesn't matter that things shouldn't have gotten to this, they have

In other words, he is an incompetent owner.

Time to stop blaming the city, and blame him.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I can blame both of them

The City wanting to prop up a ****ing dump instead of letting Melnyk propose his plans for a casino is bad

Not just for the Senators but for the City

 

[Engineer]

I can blame both of them

The City wanting to prop up a ****ing dump instead of letting Melnyk propose his plans for a casino is bad

Not just for the Senators but for the City

I think a casino in Kanata is just as bad of an idea. Why would anyone downtown go to Kanata, instead of 5 mins away to Lac Leamy?

 

[McManked]

Exactly, this is the real world, Melnyk doesn't get a casino just because he had a divorce and is now broke. A business man such as him should be able to create a business plan out of the team that is more viable than relying on a separate business that is a huge huge huge gamble to get in this province.

He didn't get the casino, time for him to stop crying about it. This is the real world.

What?

90% of sports franchises aren't profitable, that's just the way it is. If you don't have a 100 year legacy or are blessed with good fortune from other factors, it's nearly impossible to MAKE money.

 

[Engineer]

What?

90% of sports franchises aren't profitable, that's just the way it is. If you don't have a 100 year legacy or are blessed with good fortune from other factors, it's nearly impossible to MAKE money.

1. Getting a casino in Ontario is next to impossible.
2. Betting your ability to fund a team on something that is such a gamble to get is not a smart business plan.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I think a casino in Kanata is just as bad of an idea. Why would anyone downtown go to Kanata, instead of 5 mins away to Lac Leamy?

That's not the point

We can have one casino and instead of listening to ideas the City said it was going to give it to RCR which makes no sense

 

[BigRig4]

1. Getting a casino in Ontario is next to impossible.
2. Betting your ability to fund a team on something that is such a gamble to get is not a smart business plan.

Heh.

 

[Engineer]

That's not the point

We can have one casino and instead of listening to ideas the City said it was going to give it to RCR which makes no sense

The method of determining the casino location was very shady, i agree, and was bs. But Melnyk needs to figure out a new plan, the decision has been made.

Across the street from RCR is an empty field, new arena time?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I agree he needs to figure something out but the point is that the City basically blackballed him in favour of getting votes

It was a horrible decision

 

[coladin]

So Ottawa has just a big a market Winnipeg but can't afford the same payroll... Interesting

You refuse to accept that they pay a hell of a lot more for their tickets than we do. It is actually straightforward basic economics.

 

[Micklebot]

I think a casino in Kanata is just as bad of an idea. Why would anyone downtown go to Kanata, instead of 5 mins away to Lac Leamy?

The goal is to have cross polination between the various ventures. Going to a hockey game? Why not hit the casino before and after. Going to a concert? Ditto.

Add to that the hotel that I beleive was in the plan, and you have a destination for tourism. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a big emphasis on trying to draw in confernces and such as well.

 

[coladin]

Either Ottawa is the worst market in the league to justify the lowest payroll in the NHL

Or

Melnyks keeping payroll down so he can pocket money for his other ventures

One or the other

I'll go with worst Canadian market.

 

[LatteLarrys]

I can blame both of them

The City wanting to prop up a ****ing dump instead of letting Melnyk propose his plans for a casino is bad

Not just for the Senators but for the City

You can actually lay more blame on city counsel as they are directly accountable to the public for their bs decision.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The goal is to have cross polination between the various ventures. Going to a hockey game? Why not hit the casino before and after. Going to a concert? Ditto.

Add to that the hotel that I beleive was in the plan, and you have a destination for tourism. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a big emphasis on trying to draw in confernces and such as well.

This is all fairly well-known is it not? I mean this was sort of the plan when they brought the team back

I also love how some people are ok with Landsdowne getting all the development shoved through local opposition but not Kanata just to stick it up to a "rich SOB"

 

[Engineer]

The goal is to have cross polination between the various ventures. Going to a hockey game? Why not hit the casino before and after. Going to a concert? Ditto.

Add to that the hotel that I beleive was in the plan, and you have a destination for tourism. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a big emphasis on trying to draw in confernces and such as well.

Yeah I understand what his goal was, and it made sense, but it was a risky bet from the get-go, and now that the decision has been made it's time to move on. (Whens the next election anyway? If the casino gets postponed long enough everything could change)

On another note, wasn't the cities goal to prevent tourists from travelling to lac leamy and spending all their money in Quebec?
Not that that matters with the RCR decision, ppl downtown will still just go to lac leamy.

 

[WilderPegasus*]

What?

90% of sports franchises aren't profitable, that's just the way it is. If you don't have a 100 year legacy or are blessed with good fortune from other factors, it's nearly impossible to MAKE money.

That's not the way it is. That's what billionaires have gullible fools believe.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Hahaha

All the billionaires around the world conspire together in order to stick it to the little guy!

 

[smithy]

You refuse to accept that they pay a hell of a lot more for their tickets than we do. It is actually straightforward basic economics.

Right, except Ottawa sold 127,304 more tickets than Winnipeg did last semester, so Winnipeg fans would have to be paying, on average, at least 21% more than Ottawa fans for Winnipeg to have higher gate receipts. Winnipeg's prices in the primary market range from $41.75 to $138.65 per game. Ottawa doesn't provide single-game pricing information, but season ticket prices (which are allegedly 50% lower than single-game prices) range from $20.75 to $190.37 per game (not counting the glass seats, which are the most expensive). Although the lower limit (which is for the heavily-discounted Coke Zero alcohol-free section) is lower than Winnipeg's, this is (a) for season tickets and (b) much lower than the next lowest bracket.

Anyway, the point is that straightforward basic economics don't prove your point.

 

[coladin]

Right, except Ottawa sold 127,304 more tickets than Winnipeg did last semester, so Winnipeg fans would have to be paying, on average, at least 21% more than Ottawa fans for Winnipeg to have higher gate receipts. Winnipeg's prices in the primary market range from $41.75 to $138.65 per game. Ottawa doesn't provide single-game pricing information, but season ticket prices (which are allegedly 50% lower than single-game prices) range from $20.75 to $190.37 per game (not counting the glass seats, which are the most expensive). Although the lower limit (which is for the heavily-discounted Coke Zero alcohol-free section) is lower than Winnipeg's, this is (a) for season tickets and (b) much lower than the next lowest bracket.

Anyway, the point is that straightforward basic economics don't prove your point.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...-most-expensive-teams-to-watch-207777201.html

The article title is "Winnipeg Jets among most expensive pro teams to watch" , in the article claims of $118.43, the second most expensive team to watch.

Does this help?

 

[StefanW]

Quickly closing in on 1000 posts, and the new thread continuing this discussion can be found here.

 

[aragorn]

If the three level of governments ever got together & built another bridge over the river to Quebec in the west end that would bring over a lot more traffic which would then make sense to have a casino in the west end. Personally, I don't see either of those two things happening any time soon especially with this narrow minded council.