Please sell this team, Melnyk / Budget talk II

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YouGotAStuGoing

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Previous thread here.

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Dear Eugene,

I understand what I'm about to say might come as a shock to you. I'm sure you still see yourself as a hero in this town, and to a degree, many of us still see you as such. You rescued this team when it was destitute, when rumors of relocation were growing from quiet whispers to honest public debate. You came in with your own personal fortune to keep NHL hockey in Ottawa, and many of us will be forever grateful for that wonderful gesture.

It has been a pretty good run, hasn't it? We had some great teams in the mid 2000's, the Cup run in '07. We got to witness some great players in their prime together: Alfredsson, Chara, Redden, Hossa, Havlat... heck, even though we won't admit it now, we even loved Heatley before we had that little falling out. We had some laughs, some cries, and we've gone through a lot together.

Please, Eugene. It's time to sell the team.



I remember when you first got here, we went from being a team that couldn't meet payroll to a team that not only could meet their financial obligations to players, but started actually spending money in free agency. Sure, some of those moves were busts, but we were spending money on players, which was a huge relief for many of us long-suffering fans who were scared we'd lose our team. We were a cap team when the first lockout ended. Times were good.

Problem is, money is starting to become an issue. I don't want to get into your personal life, as I know you've gone through some rough times recently, but I think it's common knowledge at this point that you can't commit financially to this team in the same capacity that you once were able to. Let's just leave it at that. There are rumors about how much money you've lost on this team, and I won't put a number on it because it's difficult to really get an accurate read on the proper numbers due to the books being closed, and I think it can be argued that the $94 million in losses that was reported this past August doesn't represent the whole picture. There is money to be made on the arena, as well as CapitalTickets, which should be included in the entire portfolio.

All that being said, the major theme that is developing here is that you can't afford to run this team properly. Whether that is true or not, whether you are being honest with us about this, or whether this whole line of argument is a ploy to get a casino, or financial aid from various levels of government, it's a moot point. You have played your cards here, and whether they are honest or part of a bigger game, they're out there: The Ottawa Senators Hockey Club cannot spend any more money.

When the cap was lower, money wasn't much of a problem. Those were good days. Now however, with the cap over $20 million higher than it was after the first lockout, we are seeing the realities of owning a National Hockey League team... and I have to tell you, it's not going to get any better or easier. The salary cap is projected to raise a lot over the course of this CBA, and that floor is going to get higher along with it. If you are having problems now competing with a budget that is $8-10 million less than the cap ceiling, what is going to happen when you're forced to ice a team at $15 million less than top teams can spend? $20 million? Don't fool yourself, that's where this is going.



You talk about bringing a cup to Ottawa. As a hockey fan, you must realize how unlikely this sounds considering the financial resources you plan on making available. Many teams can successfully build through the draft, but rarely can they win a Cup without spending money to supplement their home-grown talent. Heck, we were probably the best-drafting team for the better part of a decade, and we still couldn't get over the hump when many of our players were entering their prime because we didn't have the resources to add the right pieces to finish the job.

We are a bottom 5-6 team in salary this year, and even despite the new regional television deal, you still have not made any statements about how this will affect player budgets going forwards... in fact, you've come out and argued the opposite. The Bell Media deal represents the largest financial deal the organization has ever signed, and still the fans can't use it as a rallying point that things are going to get better for the on-ice product. Every instance of a positive news item that comes out about this team is shortly accompanied by a statement about how we shouldn't get our hopes up. Whether this is a display of honesty about the team's finances or part of a larger game is moot: the message has become a millstone around the necks of fans, and we're tired of it.

I'm not even going to discuss your presence in the media. As the owner of this team, you have the right to say whatever crazy predictions or comments you'd like. That's your prerogative. But know this: the constant back-and-forth that is being played out with fans, the "we are going to win a cup" followed by the constant "reality checks" about our financial commitment to he on-ice product, is growing tiresome.

If this is all a game to coerce others (municipal/ provincial governments) to put public money in this team, or part of a larger plan to get yourself a casino (or other revenue-generating enterprise that ties in to the Hockey Club / Arena, you are slowly approaching the point where you are going to do more damage to the long-term financial stability of this organization than the returns might gain you. You are slowly poisoning the well of the goodwill of this team.



The time has come to make a decision about your future as the owner of this club. Make no mistake, we want you here if you are as committed to winning as you sometimes claim to be. The problem here is that you seem to only be paying lip service to the fans of this team. Are we going for a Cup? Or are we going to be the New York Islanders of the next decade? It can't be both. You say things like you will leave this team to your children, that it will be a Melnyk family legacy.... but I ask you this: is this the legacy you want to leave here? That you presided over the slow death of this organization? If you truly are having the financial difficulties you claim to be having, then please Eugene.... sell this team. I have no doubt that there are enough corporate interests within this country that would love to add the Ottawa Senators to their portfolio for the sole purpose of cross-branding and advertising.

The budget has already seen the then-longest-serving captain in the league, and hero of the city, leave abruptly, over the difference of roughly a million dollars. It might be one thing if we were up against the cap and could not fit that extra million in without going over, but we started the season as a bottom-5 team in cap expenditures. The money would have been there for almost any other team in the league. There have been rumors that we can't add players that could have helped us get into the playoffs at the very least, due entirely to the internal budget. Rumors that other decisions were made for budget reasons taking precedence over hockey ops reasons.



What I am saying here is that this fanbase will not put up with ownership constantly holding a dagger to our throats. This fanbase has proven that it will tune out an owner who constantly makes excuses as to why the on-ice product is suffering. This city will fall in love and rally behind a team that gives 100% on the ice and fall short, a trait that it will extend to ownership (as you have already expereinced at the beginning of your tensure as owner here) but it has little patience for an ownership group that will hold it hostage as a means to another end. Sure, you will always have the die-hard fans to count on, I fully admit that there are those of us who are going to be Sens fans until we die or until the team disappears, but this city is fickle. There is a LARGE percentage of our fanbase that are casual fans. We have a large "gameday" culture of buying at the last minute, and often, those "last minute/ gameday" ticket buyers are buying based on recent history. There are those of us who will always buy tickets/ merchandise, but a much larger percentage who will take their dollars elsewhere if they feel as though they are being used/ taken for granted. Us die-hards understand how crippling it will be when the casual fan becomes disinterested; we have gone through this once before, and we almost lost the team.

If you cannot commit to ensuring that this club remains reasonably competitive both on the ice as well as in the boardroom, then maybe it is time to start looking into identifying and starting a dialogue with parties who will. I understand that we will never be able to compete financially with the Torontos and the New Yorks of the league, but as it is, we are not able to compete with the Anaheims, the Winnipegs, or the Carolinas, either. We are not asking you to go bankrupt by making this a top-5 spending team, but we are telling you that we will not suffer a reprise of the "Rod Bryden years" lightly. We are sick of the mixed messages, the seemingly bi-polar nature of our PR department as it regards to our future, and the constant vague threats about the viability of the team.



You are in, or you are out. Make a decision, and stick to it.
 
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Benjamin

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If you believe this, then you didn't watch this team play this season.

Anderson was back to average, the D inexperienced, Karlsson struggled, Spezza, Michalek, Neil, and Phillips were below average, and Ryan injured.

If anyone believes a 41 year old Alfie could have made up for the above then they believe in fairy tales.

Easy to say that in hindsight. No one saw any of that coming. Not Murray or Melnyk. If this team was actually committed to winning, at the very least we could retain assets that would help the team.

The teams response to getting to the 2nd round was letting a top 6 forward and top 4 dman walk... while being bottom 5 in spending. Melnyks a joke.
 

YouGotAStuGoing

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Easy to say that in hindsight. No one saw any of that coming. Not Murray or Melnyk. If this team was actually committed to winning, at the very least we could retain assets that would help the team.

The teams response to getting to the 2nd round was letting a top 6 forward and top 4 dman walk... while being bottom 5 in spending. Melnyks a joke.

...while also adding a top-line centre, a Vezina-caliber goaltender and a Norris-caliber defenceman back to the lineup.
 

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...while also adding a top-line centre, a Vezina-caliber goaltender and a Norris-caliber defenceman back to the lineup.

Spezza and Karlsson were both coming off big injuries... Having more money could have gave them more protection.

Gonchar picked up the slack last year... Because of the budget this team had to rely on EK and Spezza not showing any rust
 

sam2020

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Easy to say that in hindsight. No one saw any of that coming. Not Murray or Melnyk. If this team was actually committed to winning, at the very least we could retain assets that would help the team.

The teams response to getting to the 2nd round was letting a top 6 forward and top 4 dman walk... while being bottom 5 in spending. Melnyks a joke.

Its one thing if you want to add a couple players but when people go on about being bottom 5 in spending that is what i take issue with its like lets spend so we can be proud sure were have awful contracts but hey we can say look were top 20.
 

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I think the OP should be quoted in the new OP, it is quite relevant to the discussion dont you think?
 

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I’d bet that since the salary cap and lower ufa age, there are less Cinderella teams, less upsets, and less chances for teams not spending close to the cap to win. So yes, trends so far suggest winning teams all spent. And that makes sense – winning teams have good players, and good players get expensive quickly nowadays.

However, the other part of that truism, often unmentioned, is that all teams that won had also developed a playoff team that could contend. Chicago wasn’t a bubble team and then said: lets sign hossa to see if we can contend.

Teams that spent before they had developed a contender, had angry fan bases calling for the GM’s head for over-spending. These teams often got laughed at by Sens fans for not understanding how to build a team.

We clearly are still developing a playoff team, starting to reap the rewards of drafting and developing and rebuilding a proper organization. Buying ufa’s now is attempting to fight all the trends and short circuit the development process. If there is a shortcut available, the Leafs will try it. Sens though?

The hard part isn’t spending; it’s finding the players to spend on. Adding or developing a player like Ryan each year is good. When we’re ready, we’ll know it. Right now we aren’t ready. And I think we all know it.
 

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Easy to say that in hindsight. No one saw any of that coming. Not Murray or Melnyk. If this team was actually committed to winning, at the very least we could retain assets that would help the team.

The teams response to getting to the 2nd round was letting a top 6 forward and top 4 dman walk... while being bottom 5 in spending. Melnyks a joke.

My comments were in response to someone who was making a comment in hindsight, so somewhat unavoidable.

However your comments are 100% hindsight.

Had Spezza and Karlsson performed as most expected and Ryan not been injured the Sens make the playoffs IMO.

Had Anderson played like he did in 2012/13 the Sens make the playoffs IMO.

Without the benefit of hindsight, letting Gonchar go was the right decision given the circumstances.

Can't comment on Alfie simply because I have no idea what transpired, however without the benefit of hindsight a Ryan add is a better option for the long term than Alfie for a year, maybe two.
 

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Spezza and Karlsson were both coming off big injuries... Having more money could have gave them more protection.

Gonchar picked up the slack last year... Because of the budget this team had to rely on EK and Spezza not showing any rust

Think you ignored the Ryan and MacArthur adds.
 

Benjamin

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We missed the playoffs by 3 wins. Adding Alfredsson and Gonchar would of made the difference.

Alfie would of helped Spezza out a ton early on and is another 40-60 points. Gonchar's minutes would bump everyone down one spot on a dcorp of players playing above their heads. Those two would of been huge.

But instead Melnyk cheaped out and got what he payed for.
 

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We missed the playoffs by 3 wins. Adding Alfredsson and Gonchar would of made the difference.

Alfie would of helped Spezza out a ton early on and is another 40-60 points. Gonchar's minutes would bump everyone down one spot on a dcorp of players playing above their heads. Those two would of been huge.

But instead Melnyk cheaped out and got what he payed for.

MURRAY did not want to retain Gonchar. It was never the plan and money had very little to do with it. They simply didnt think he was worth it, thats how you evaluate UFAs. Alfie leaving was a slap in the nuts but I'm glad we dealt with it this year rather than next. Anyone who thought we wouldnt struggle through Alfie's absence understated his impact, and I'm glad the team was forced to mature sooner rather than later.
 

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We missed the playoffs by 3 wins. Adding Alfredsson and Gonchar would of made the difference.

Alfie would of helped Spezza out a ton early on and is another 40-60 points. Gonchar's minutes would bump everyone down one spot on a dcorp of players playing above their heads. Those two would of been huge.

But instead Melnyk cheaped out and got what he payed for.

I know its easy to say Melynk cheaped out but in reality would those 2 have made a difference i don't think so.
 

BigRig4

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I agree that you need to spend to win, it's undeniable. But it needs to be mentioned that you need to spend with good timing, if you throw all your money at supporting cast when your actual core isn't ready to compete you're just going to cripple your future. It's the reason that I actually somewhat agree with Melnyk on certain things, especially cost per point, that being said the way he goes about saying it is borderline insane. When our team develops to our full potential in 2-3 years, that's when we'll need to spend our money and it will be on upgrading the contracts of players already within our system. It would be a shame if we couldn't re-sign a really nice young guy cause we spent it on David Clarkson. If Melnyk doesn't spend when we reach our full potential, i'll grab a pitchfork but until then it's all speculation that he won't. Every good team goes through growing pains, just gotta be patient. :)
 

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We missed the playoffs by 3 wins. Adding Alfredsson and Gonchar would of made the difference.

Alfie would of helped Spezza out a ton early on and is another 40-60 points. Gonchar's minutes would bump everyone down one spot on a dcorp of players playing above their heads. Those two would of been huge.

But instead Melnyk cheaped out and got what he payed for.

Even if they made the difference this year, we would be committed to paying them another combined 11 million next season. So 22 million over two seasons for two vets age 40+ seems like a pretty reckless way to spend for a middle of the pack budget team.

It's also hard to know how this could have affected the development of our younger players. Sometimes going through this type of adversity is better in the long run and only time will tell. Both Alfie and Gonchar would have taken away significant time from our younger guys who project to be core pieces.
 

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Alfie would have made a difference, Gonchar not that much. Gonchar is done and would not have been better than Corvo.

I'm in the boat that with Alfie this is a playoff team. (But that also includes Ryan and MacArthur which we know would not have been possible.)
 

Nac Mac Feegle

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Reading this page gives me a huge sense of deja vu. I swear we've been making the same arguments and posts for 10 months now. It just never ends. :(
 
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I know its easy to say Melynk cheaped out but in reality would those 2 have made a difference i don't think so.

It's not easy to say, it's 100% fact that he didn't want to spend much of anything last off-season.

We were over budget this year without those two players.

Bottomline is - Melynk is a cheap owner. Will he be cheap in the future? Well, if you're not going to spend money after winning a round in the playoffs with already on of the lowest payrolls - Why would he spend down thew road?
 

sam2020

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People that want Melynk to sell just keep in mind things could be far far worse with a new owner.
 

sam2020

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It's not easy to say, it's 100% fact that he didn't want to spend much of anything last off-season.

We were over budget this year without those two players.

Bottomline is - Melynk is a cheap owner. Will he be cheap in the future? Well, if you're not going to spend money after winning a round in the playoffs with already on of the lowest payrolls - Why would he spend down thew road?

I know people love to say he is a cheap owner in fact he is a smart owner you don't spend when your core is still very young you wait.
 

sam2020

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Sadly, I don't think he's around anymore. It's a shame, Bonk is a really good guy. Big heart.

The issue and i am not sying this about Bonk is while he might be a good guy and mean well but letters like that when there based more on rumors then fact is does not look good.
 

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I know people love to say he is a cheap owner in fact he is a smart owner you don't spend when your core is still very young you wait.

1. Spezza = Number 1 Center
2. MacArthur-Turris-Ryan = Great 2nd line
3. Karlsson = Norris winning D
4. Anderson + Lehner = Solid goaltending
5. Promising young pieces like Ceci, Zibanejad, Stone, Pumpel, Pageu, Hoffman pushing for ice time
6. Greening-Smith-Neil = Good 4th line

Would it not make sense to get Spezza a couple wingers, improve the D and go for it.

What position is this team waiting for development in?
 
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