Please Grade Dubas on today's Free Agent Pickups.

[Arthur Morgan]

C. Dubas has handcuffed himself and with covid freezing the cap for a few more years it looks even worse. Moving Marner seems like the only way out this summer.

Yeah and after the Point contract Marner's looks even worse if that was even possible lol

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I don't know what the issue was (cap constraints?) but why wouldn't they have given Lily a shot last year?

Feels like our management group almost feels the same about Liljegren that Babcock did about Holl.
I mean like..... Whats the plan here? just going to let him rot?
Atleast give the kid a chance beyond 1 or 2 games.
It should be very simple at this point with Liljegren. either play him or include him in a bigger trade or something

 

[ShaneFalco]

Feels like our management group almost feels the same about Liljegren that Babcock did about Holl.
I mean like..... Whats the plan here? just going to let him rot?
Atleast give the kid a chance beyond 1 or 2 games.
It should be very simple at this point with Liljegren. either play him or include him in a bigger trade or something

Yeah I don't get it at all. Maybe Keefe has an issue with him or it's about going for it which has worked well.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Yeah and after the Point contract Marner's looks even worse if that was even possible lol

Point's 9.5M in Florida works out to be around 11M in Ontario due to taxes. Its basically the same contract except he actually got 8 years.

 

[NinjaKick]

Why B+? That's almost an A. Is it because he did so much with so little, or is TOR better on paper? Do you consider Dubas has filled all the vacancies? To me he still needs 2 forwards and a D man.

I have no qualms with our new faces and no qualms with our depth. our best players have to be our best players. simple as that. they have the support and they get big money. time to put up or shut up imho.

I guess my rating also takes in consideration the potential of the team.

 

[freshwind]

Yeah I don't get it at all. Maybe Keefe has an issue with him or it's about going for it which has worked well.

it was cap related .. 100% .. they had to account for his possible performance bonuses on the cap ... was worth close to 400,000 if i recall ...

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I don't know what the issue was (cap constraints?) but why wouldn't they have given Lily a shot last year?

yea cap space was the issue.

 

[Bluelines]

Dubie signs an injury prone goalie to be partners with an injury prone goalie... what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Bluelines]

Point's 9.5M in Florida works out to be around 11M in Ontario due to taxes. Its basically the same contract except he actually got 8 years.

..but it's not the same under the cap...

 

[TheProspector]

You know what's funny, guys? One of Kyle's recently signed free agents will almost certainly meet or exceed the highest season point total of Zach Hyman (41).

 

[ShaneFalco]

Dubie signs an injury prone goalie to be partners with an injury prone goalie... what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah that's not going to end well and I'm sure he'll have to make a trade

 

[AndyWozniewski]

Dubas gets an F in every category until we at least win a playoff round. Guilty until proven innocent. I don't care how good his moves look on paper, we need results on ice.

 

[egd27]

You know what's funny, guys? One of Kyle's recently signed free agents will almost certainly meet or exceed the highest season point total of Zach Hyman (41).

Which one?

Yeah that's not going to end well and I'm sure he'll have to make a trade

Fear not, we still have our 1st and 2nd in 2022 to spend.

 

[Leaftors]

Dubas gets an F in every category until we at least win a playoff round. Guilty until proven innocent. I don't care how good his moves look on paper, we need results on ice.

That isn’t the question asked in the thread or the point of the poll. It is how he did on his moves, and based on your response - on paper it’s not all bad. The team has always been on paper quite good and destined to win, the performance has been otherwise.

 

[Bluelines]

Dubas gets an F in every category until we at least win a playoff round. Guilty until proven innocent. I don't care how good his moves look on paper, we need results on ice.

Many leaf fans get excited with "new" and confuse "new" with good ... most people on here have No clue who Bunting, Kase or Ritchie are or what they are capable of, except for a few SC highlight reports. I absolutely have no clue who Bunting is, Kase I've heard of and seen him play but not enough to have formed an opinion and Ritchie I know because he was the guy we passed up to pick Willie.

We have a horrid left side, we have 4 players who are either fringe NHLer's, last chance NHLer's, soon to be last chance NHLer's or I'm only here because I have a low cap hit NHLer's. If Bunting can keep that 20%+ shooting from last year, he should be good, if Kase can stay healthy he should be good, if Sandin can take that next step he will be good, if Mrazek can stay healthy he should be good. Lot's of "if's" that need to be true for us to have a successful year.

 

[Bluelines]

Which one?



Fear not, we still have our 1st and 2nd in 2022 to spend.

Ritchie and Kase both have the potential.

 

[egd27]

Ritchie and Kase both have the potential.

would be significant jumps for them, but I suppose if they take advantage of having better line mates it's possible.

 

[Bluelines]

Dubie signed 2 of the top 26 producers from the 2014 draft

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Last Season
1	3	Edmonton	Leon Draisaitl	C	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]	478	199	307	506	166	2020-21
1	25	Boston	David Pastrnak	R	Sodertalje SK [Swe-1]	438	200	227	427	195	2020-21
3	79	Tampa Bay	Brayden Point	C	Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL]	351	139	171	310	88	2020-21
1	9	Winnipeg	Nikolaj Ehlers	L	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]	416	136	167	303	145	2020-21
1	2	Buffalo	Sam Reinhart	C	Kootenay Ice [WHL]	454	134	161	295	90	2020-21
1	15	Detroit	Dylan Larkin	C	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	433	116	173	289	280	2020-21
1	8	Toronto	William Nylander	R	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	358	103	160	263	90	2020-21
4	112	Nashville	Viktor Arvidsson	R	Skelleftea AIK [SweHL]	385	127	112	239	172	2020-21
1	1	Florida	Aaron Ekblad	D	Barrie Colts [OHL]	493	82	152	234	308	2020-21
1	11	Nashville	Kevin Fiala	L	HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]	337	91	107	198	165	2020-21
1	20	Chicago	Nick Schmaltz	C	Green Bay Gamblers [USHL]	301	55	127	182	68	2020-21
6	171	San Jose	Kevin Labanc	R	Barrie Colts [OHL]	339	62	115	177	159	2020-21
1	13	Washington	Jakub Vrana	L	Linkopings HC [SweHL]	295	84	84	168	69	2020-21
1	24	Vancouver	Jared McCann	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	353	66	89	155	122	2020-21
1	4	Calgary	Sam Bennett	C	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	412	73	82	155	352	2020-21
2	58	Arizona	Christian Dvorak	C	London Knights [OHL]	302	67	79	146	70	2020-21
1	18	Minnesota	Alex Tuch	R	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	255	61	78	139	71	2020-21
1	10	Anaheim	Nick Ritchie	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	350	59	78	137	387	2020-21
1	29	Los Angeles	Adrian Kempe	C	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	312	55	77	132	162	2020-21
1	21	St. Louis	Robby Fabbri	C	Guelph Storm [OHL]	246	56	66	122	94	2020-21
4	116	Boston	Danton Heinen	C	Surrey Eagles [BCHL]	272	44	77	121	44	2020-21
1	22	Pittsburgh	Kasperi Kapanen	R	KalPa Kuopio [SM-liiga]	242	52	68	120	62	2020-21
2	55	Anaheim	Brandon Montour	D	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]	293	31	78	109	180	2020-21
1	19	Tampa Bay	Tony DeAngelo	D	Sarnia Sting [OHL]	206	24	82	106	176	2020-21
1	6	Vancouver	Jake Virtanen	R	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	317	55	45	100	219	2020-21
7	205	Anaheim	Ondrej Kase	R	Chomutov Pirati [Czech]	207	43	54	97	48	2020-21

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Bluelines]

would be significant jumps for them, but I suppose if they take advantage of having better line mates it's possible.

Agreed, Kase is about a half a point a game player, if he can stay healthy he has a good chance to be around 40 points, Ritchie would have to have an amazing start to come near 40.

 

[PromisedLand]

Thought this was interesting. hey 1 million is like 10 million gold if you are the Leafs

 

[Mess]

Dubie signed 2 of the top 26 producers from the 2014 draft

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Last Season
1	3	Edmonton	Leon Draisaitl	C	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]	478	199	307	506	166	2020-21
1	25	Boston	David Pastrnak	R	Sodertalje SK [Swe-1]	438	200	227	427	195	2020-21
3	79	Tampa Bay	Brayden Point	C	Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL]	351	139	171	310	88	2020-21
1	9	Winnipeg	Nikolaj Ehlers	L	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]	416	136	167	303	145	2020-21
1	2	Buffalo	Sam Reinhart	C	Kootenay Ice [WHL]	454	134	161	295	90	2020-21
1	15	Detroit	Dylan Larkin	C	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	433	116	173	289	280	2020-21
1	8	Toronto	William Nylander	R	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	358	103	160	263	90	2020-21
4	112	Nashville	Viktor Arvidsson	R	Skelleftea AIK [SweHL]	385	127	112	239	172	2020-21
1	1	Florida	Aaron Ekblad	D	Barrie Colts [OHL]	493	82	152	234	308	2020-21
1	11	Nashville	Kevin Fiala	L	HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]	337	91	107	198	165	2020-21
1	20	Chicago	Nick Schmaltz	C	Green Bay Gamblers [USHL]	301	55	127	182	68	2020-21
6	171	San Jose	Kevin Labanc	R	Barrie Colts [OHL]	339	62	115	177	159	2020-21
1	13	Washington	Jakub Vrana	L	Linkopings HC [SweHL]	295	84	84	168	69	2020-21
1	24	Vancouver	Jared McCann	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	353	66	89	155	122	2020-21
1	4	Calgary	Sam Bennett	C	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	412	73	82	155	352	2020-21
2	58	Arizona	Christian Dvorak	C	London Knights [OHL]	302	67	79	146	70	2020-21
1	18	Minnesota	Alex Tuch	R	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	255	61	78	139	71	2020-21
1	10	Anaheim	Nick Ritchie	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	350	59	78	137	387	2020-21
1	29	Los Angeles	Adrian Kempe	C	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	312	55	77	132	162	2020-21
1	21	St. Louis	Robby Fabbri	C	Guelph Storm [OHL]	246	56	66	122	94	2020-21
4	116	Boston	Danton Heinen	C	Surrey Eagles [BCHL]	272	44	77	121	44	2020-21
1	22	Pittsburgh	Kasperi Kapanen	R	KalPa Kuopio [SM-liiga]	242	52	68	120	62	2020-21
2	55	Anaheim	Brandon Montour	D	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]	293	31	78	109	180	2020-21
1	19	Tampa Bay	Tony DeAngelo	D	Sarnia Sting [OHL]	206	24	82	106	176	2020-21
1	6	Vancouver	Jake Virtanen	R	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	317	55	45	100	219	2020-21
7	205	Anaheim	Ondrej Kase	R	Chomutov Pirati [Czech]	207	43	54	97	48	2020-21

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

& Josh Ho-Sang - Drafted: 2014 round 1 #28 overall by New York Islanders.
& Michael Bunting - Drafted: 2014 round 4 #117 overall by Phoenix Coyotes.
& Michael Amadio - Drafted: 2014 round 3 #90 overall by Los Angeles Kings
& had and lost to expansion - Jared McCann 2014 round 1 #24 overall by Vancouver Canucks.

Ring, Ring, 2014 just called to remind everyone its 2021

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

..but it's not the same under the cap...

Hence why its an advantage to teams with no state tax. The only advantage in Canada really is getting players more endorsement deals.

 

[Bluelines]

& Josh Ho-Sang - Drafted: 2014 round 1 #28 overall by New York Islanders.
& Michael Bunting - Drafted: 2014 round 4 #117 overall by Phoenix Coyotes.
& had and lost to expansion - Jared McCann 2014 round 1 #24 overall by Vancouver Canucks.

Ring, Ring, 2014 just called to remind everyone its 2021

If I was a betting man would it be safe to say our Free agent season next year will be dominated by signings from 2015 draft year? Is that the math Dubie puts behind his UFA list? Current year - 7 years = can't miss ?... LOL

 

[capfit9]

this team is closer to a re-tool than contending

 

[Bluelines]

Hence why its an advantage to teams with no state tax. The only advantage in Canada really is getting players more endorsement deals.

There have been a number of articles that have broke down the Florida tax advantage myth.