Post-Game Talk: PLD returns, hero (Jets 4 Canucks 3 OT)

[HannuJ]

More proof that an orchestrated fight does nothing to give a team a victory.
Dubois's OT goal was beautiful

 

[ps241]

The thing I don't get about Ville is that he played very well last year for a bout 8 or 9 games, and played excellent with Morrissey on the top pairing this year. I'm not sure what else he needs to prove.

Unless it's all about money, which would tick me off.

I thought last year he started out great but by about game 5 I started thinking he needed more development time in Europe. This season I agree he looked great in his first game? Maybe they want to preserve their ELC's unless they are a dramatic upgrade this season? Not sure but our D core could use higher end talent today and if not today certainly before the playoffs if we make it. Maybe I am just seeing this through my prospect centric rose colored glasses?

 

[Gnova]

It is hard to imagine 17 teams are actually worse than us on the PK

The Jets PK has been solid since around week three. I would guess there are 20+ teams with a worse PK since the beginning of Feb.

It will be interesting to see how it holds up against TO tbough. There currently record is, in large part, due to their PP.

 

[Guerzy]

Don't look now but the Jets have the 13th PP and 14th PK in the league - and that's after a pretty rough start. Even if we don't sort out all of our 5v5 frustrations, a top 10 PP PK combo will win you a lot of games.

Honestly, a lot about this team as it is excites me. Top of the league forward depth (which for me has been bolstered with PLD), vezina caliber goaltending, keep pushing the PP/PK up to the top 10 like you say... that's a recipe for success no matter which way you slice it, even with an average defensive unit.

Which excites me because honestly after our 2018 Conference Final run we really took a dip and I wasn't sure where we were going or if/when we would get that next window. We took some salary cap punches, had to deal with Trouba, lost Buff and Little to injury, didn't have much in terms of quality impact prospects who were ready, etc.

I'd say we're mighty close if not there very soon. I envision a deep playoff run this year, ideally, and legitimate contender next season and beyond.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

The Jets PK has been solid since around week three. I would guess there are 20+ teams with a worse PK since the beginning of Feb.

It will be interesting to see how it holds up against TO though. There currently record is, in large part, due to their PP.

The success of the Jets PK (aside from some great work by Lowry/Appleton/Copp etc... to get the puck down to the other end) has been the other teams inability to cash in on their chances. Toronto doesn't seem like a team that we can allow to just move it around the outside at will. Helle / Brossoit can only make so many saves. I'm worried what works fairly well against many teams will be eaten up TO.

If you saw the Saturday game 5 on 3 PP in the Leafs vs Habs game; MTL did a great job for close to a minute of completely stopping Toronto but bang as soon as the Leafs got a sniff they scored with 1 second left in the first penalty and then almost immediately again on the 2nd PP.

We would really need to avoid penalties and get better production from our own PP to stop special teams from completely deciding matches between the teams.

 

[WolfHouse]

The Jets PK has been solid since around week three. I would guess there are 20+ teams with a worse PK since the beginning of Feb.

It will be interesting to see how it holds up against TO tbough. There currently record is, in large part, due to their PP.

Let's hope the Thompson PK thing is over by then and we're back to Copp-Lowry / Apples-Lewis

 

[voyageur]

Don't look now but the Jets have the 13th PP and 14th PK in the league - and that's after a pretty rough start. Even if we don't sort out all of our 5v5 frustrations, a top 10 PP PK combo will win you a lot of games.

According to the NHL 13th on the PP, and that's without Dubois and Laine for the most part, and tied for 12th on the PK, and definitely trending upwards. But I agree you get that combination, and you're a playoff team for sure.

 

[voyageur]

The success of the Jets PK (aside from some great work by Lowry/Appleton/Copp etc... to get the puck down to the other end) has been the other teams inability to cash in on their chances. Toronto doesn't seem like a team that we can allow to just move it around the outside at will. Helle / Brossoit can only make so many saves. I'm worried what works fairly well against many teams will be eaten up TO.

If you saw the Saturday game 5 on 3 PP in the Leafs vs Habs game; MTL did a great job for close to a minute of completely stopping Toronto but bang as soon as the Leafs got a sniff they scored with 1 second left in the first penalty and then almost immediately again on the 2nd PP.

We would really need to avoid penalties and get better production from our own PP to stop special teams from completely deciding matches between the teams.

I think the Jets still have the mentality to let teams shoot from the flanks. As a shot it's the lowest percentage shot. Look how many Connor has missed the net on for instance. And when the puck goes wide, it's a 50/50 puck, if there is enough heat on the shot in might go right out of the zone. Most dangerous shots are in tight, and deflected point shots, and we're not bad at those, we don't give up a lot of back door tip ins on the PP either, though Edmonton has us scrambling. I feel like Pettersson's shot was a good warmup for what Matthews is going to bring.

I'm looking forward to playing Toronto because I think that's the measuring stick of the North. And there is no way that refs are going to let Toronto go without powerplays no matter how clean of a game you play. That's Canada's team now, like the Habs were in the 70s, with a lot of bogus calls. Or Detroit in the 90s, 2000s

 

[Evil Little]

By the way, you got every ounce of of that comma in the thread title @RetroWinnipeg. Bravo!

I think the Jets still have the mentality to let teams shoot from the flanks. As a shot it's the lowest percentage shot. Look how many Connor has missed the net on for instance. And when the puck goes wide, it's a 50/50 puck, if there is enough heat on the shot in might go right out of the zone. Most dangerous shots are in tight, and deflected point shots, and we're not bad at those, we don't give up a lot of back door tip ins on the PP either, though Edmonton has us scrambling. I feel like Pettersson's shot was a good warmup for what Matthews is going to bring.

I think this is the exact reasoning--it stands to reason that this is what you do when you have a top goalie--and I think it has indeed been working. For now.

 

[KingBogo]

Don't look now but the Jets have the 13th PP and 14th PK in the league - and that's after a pretty rough start. Even if we don't sort out all of our 5v5 frustrations, a top 10 PP PK combo will win you a lot of games.

Even even strength the Jets are moving up the ranks. According to "Puck on Net" we are now 14th in even strength Event, Score and Venue adjusted corsi, and 12th in even strength Event, Score and Venue adjusted shots on net.

 

[Jets 31]

Even even strength the Jets are moving up the ranks. According to "Puck on Net" we are now 14th in even strength Event, Score and Venue adjusted corsi, and 12th in even strength Event, Score and Venue adjusted shots on net.

11-6-1 is a damn good record so far anyway you slice it.

 

[WolfHouse]

11-6-1 is a damn good record so far anyway you slice it.

These Canadiens game will tell us a lot...

 

[scelaton]

Even even strength the Jets are moving up the ranks. According to "Puck on Net" we are now 14th in even strength Event, Score and Venue adjusted corsi, and 12th in even strength Event, Score and Venue adjusted shots on net.

11-6-1 is a damn good record so far anyway you slice it.

Haven't had time to watch many of the recent games but things seem to be changing for the better in multiple facets of the game.
Keeping it simple--in their 9 games in February, the Jets median goals against is 2, with only two games with >3 goals against. Pionk is clearly making a case as a top pair and Morrissey's game sounds like it is coming back into form. Heinola and Samberg are, no doubt, going to make an appearance after they've had a chance to polish up their pro game.
Dubois' addition, along with the play Copp, Lowry, Stastny and Ehlers, tips the scales of our forward group and will reflected in improved defensive metrics.
I wouldn't change a thing in the short term; let's see how this plays out before dangling our better players in trade, unless it's a can't-lose proposition. And usually those are make-believe...

 

[Jets 31]

Haven't had time to watch many of the recent games but things seem to be changing for the better in multiple facets of the game.
Keeping it simple--in their 9 games in February, the Jets median goals against is 2, with only two games with >3 goals against. Pionk is clearly making a case as a top pair and Morrissey's game sounds like it is coming back into form. Heinola and Samberg are, no doubt, going to make an appearance after they've had a chance to polish up their pro game.
Dubois' addition, along with the play Copp, Lowry, Stastny and Ehlers, tips the scales of our forward group and will reflected in improved defensive metrics.
I wouldn't change a thing in the short term; let's see how this plays out before dangling our better players in trade, unless it's a can't-lose proposition. And usually those are make-believe...

You haven't had time to watch many of the Jets recent games? Here you go.

 

[buggs]

Yeah, it's got to be contacts and cash over player performance. None of the alternative explanations make much sense given the performance of Ville all year and of Samberg thus far on the Moose. Either is a clear upgrade and shot in the arm right now.

Sure, Ville has a ways to go in terms of strength and endurance but like Pionk he sure isn't easy to hit, and he's making a ton of plays that highly-skilled (Jets) forwards could capitalize on, while Samberg, given his age and physical gifts, can step in right away.

I'd say the same for Thompson, who does exactly nothing that Gus, Ves and/or Harkins can't do better, but that's another fight for another day, given the fractional minutes they'd play.

Perhaps next year we could not sign any PK specialists and just run with our young guys. Maybe spend this year developing some of our guys like Gus, Ves, Harkins to PK effectively like Mau wants. Nah...

 

[buggs]

"Want a beer?"
"It's 7:30 in the morning."
"....scotch?"

I know a couple of really good breakfast Scotches.

 

[ryerockarola]

More proof that an orchestrated fight does nothing to give a team a victory.
Dubois's OT goal was beautiful

Canucks dress MacEwen 5 PIM 6:00 TOI 2 Hits, 2 SOG. PLD had 2 Hits, 2 SOG that were goals and one beauty assist to Pionk. Dubois went to the net on Boeser and roofed the game-winner. Looking forward to more power drives to the net by Dubois.

 

[bennylundholm]

The thing I don't get about Ville is that he played very well last year for a bout 8 or 9 games, and played excellent with Morrissey on the top pairing this year. I'm not sure what else he needs to prove.

Unless it's all about money, which would tick me off.

I'm positive it's about the money.
As much as I'm sure Chipman wants to win it this year, I think equally important is putting a team on the ice that is very competitive for years to come.
Playing Beaulieu, Thompson, etc ahead of Heinola, Samberg, Vesalainen saves us the cap space in future years.

 

[Jets 31]

I know a couple of really good breakfast Scotches.

Scotch?

 

[Jets 31]

Toronto shutout 3-0 by Calgary........

 

[BatVader]

I know a couple of really good breakfast Scotches.

Scotch on Honeycombs is a really good breakfast, but you can always do Scotch on Cheerios if you’re on a health kick...

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Toronto shutout 3-0 by Calgary........

Well in many ways I wouldn't mind seeing Calgary just fall off the wagon and essentially eliminate themselves from the playoffs. A guaranteed playoff spot sounds good to me.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Scotch?

Mixed with orange juice of course. The perfect cocktail to wash down the leftover pizza that's at room temperature because you were too drunk the previous night to put it in the fridge.

There's your f***ing Breakfast of Champions, General Mills.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I wonder if we'll see a scenario where two teams in a division end up locked into a playoff series with each other and a few games to play which just happen to be against that same team. Imagine 3 games leading into a playoff series...

Things could get ugly.

 

[BatVader]

Mixed with orange juice of course. The perfect cocktail to wash down the leftover pizza that's at room temperature because you were too drunk the previous night to put it in the fridge.

There's your f***ing Breakfast of Champions, General Mills.

Mixed with orange juice????